God does not exist

Prove me wrong.

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I am one fat dude who loves the cock, and my bitchtits are so big you could squeeze them and make milk come out. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

hmm stop drop and roll doesnt work in hell...

god exists because al gore exists

#164, you might be right.  We wouldn't even be talking this way if it weren't for Al Gore inventing all this Internet stuff.  He is the Creator!

>>1
Burden of proof is on you.

prove he doesnt

I just pulled Gilgamesh right the fuck out of my ass.  Thankfully, due to the examples set by the rest of the world's religions, I don't have to prove that that actually happened.  You just have to take my word for it.

Ah, so you atheists don't believe because you see no proof! Well, is there any proof Abraham Lincoln existed? Surely you believe he did!

lol

>>169
obviously he didnt

>>169
Historical documents, etc

Oh wait, they're all forgeries from a mass government conspiracy.  Oops!

Abraham Lincoln was a Human and we have thousands of examples of Humans at hand in case we doubt their existence.  There have been ZERO examples of divinities, either in history (per the evidence) or today (again, per the evidence).  Other than stories, any claim of the existence of a divinity is patently absurd.

There aren't any Cyclops, Unicorns and Fairies, either.  Strange how people seem perfectly accepting that THOSE were fictional, yet when it comes to some giant alien space monster, they have trouble accepting its fictionality!

What Carl Sagan has advised for us is perfectly apt:  Claims require evidence, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  Gilgamesh and other divinities are patently absurd; those who insist they exist MUST deliver evidence forthwith or MUST retreat in shame for being such mental gayfailers.

Divinities should be leaving evidence all over the fucking place, too.  But we have none.  Shame on you, you religious gayfailers!  How much more OBVIOUS can it be that you twattards believe in something that doesn't exist?

The proof of Gilgamesh's existence is that, without Gilgamesh, there would be no proof!

But Gilgamesh is a divinity whose frequent interest in Humans would be leaving evidence all around this fucking place.  Where is all that evidence?  Where are the burning bushes that are not consumed?  Where's the walking on water without using those funny inflatable booties that the kids use?  Where are the resurrections?  In fact, where are the miraculous happenings that always seem to disappear (again, leaving no evidence) once skeptical observers appear with recording devices?

q

There is no definitive proof of the existence of god or the nonexistence of god. Therefore, there's no point in debating it. So stfu.

>>177
No, the existence of this god relies upon past events which haven't re-occurred and in fact don't even seem to occur once the cameras and other recording equipment arrive on the scene.  On top of that, the existence of a universe-spanning entity should as be fairly easy to prove as any other astronomical entity is.  In extreme contrast, we have ZERO EVIDENCE.

Hence, it's fairly clear:  This "god" as popularly envisioned simply doesn't exist.  It should be producing a lot of evidence, but we have nothing.  Q.E.D.  (Of course, the religiqueers can't admit that, and continue to insist that LOGIC GAMES support their case.  What a sad bunch of farcical people!)

>>178
proof of a creator is abundant, every ounce of your being, every galaxy and atom traveling space is proof of creation.  what kind of faggot are you to pretend there's no proof?

God does exist prove me right

>>178
"On top of that, the existence of a universe-spanning entity should as be fairly easy to prove as any other astronomical entity is"

Unwarranted assumption.

"It should be producing a lot of evidence"

Unwarranted assumption.

And before you follow up with your usual impotent insulting, I'm an atheist. I don't believe in god, but you're a fucking idiot for thinking your "proof" of non-existence is anywhere close to valid. Go back to fucking junior high.

Im going to quote Bertrand Russell's argument for this, dubbed "Russell's Teapot". (Wikipedia)

"If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is an intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time."

>>179
FAIL.  The existence of the universe is not proof of a PREFERRED creation method.  You cannot make such a claim of yours and remain rational, you fucking religifreak.

>>180
FAIL.  When you make an outrageous claim, the onus of proof is upon YOU.

>>181
FAIL.  We live in a universe where large things produce a lot of evidence, and pervasive things also produce a lot of evidence.  Therefore, a large, pervasive thing like a "giant alien space monster" should be producing a LOT of evidence.

Only children and mental incompetents like Christians believe in a invisible, weightless, odorless, incorporeal dragon that tiptoes through their garden at night.  The rational man knows that anything ascribed as "invisible, weightless, odorless, incorporeal" is much more likely to simply NOT EXIST.  If you don't believe in such a dragon but are quick to point out that there's some sort of chance it exists, then you're just a GAYTHEIST -- you don't have the backbone or balls to stand against the religifucks on what is a clear case for the nonexistence of divinities.

>>182
WIN.  Russell is talking REAL SENSE, unlike the gaythiests and religitards who frequent this board.

>>183
"We live in a universe where large things produce a lot of evidence"

Do you actually have a proof of this? Or is it... an unwarranted assumption?

"If you don't believe in such a dragon but are quick to point out that there's some sort of chance it exists"

There's a difference between not thinking there is a chance it exists and abusing a fucking grade school level of logic to "prove" it doesn't exist. Only a moron does the latter.

>>181
i was going to stop you but i'm too late, i tried the, "hey, i'm not theist and you're retarded" route, but despite being incredibly accurate, it fails to break his shield of stupidity.

>>182
any self-respecting agnostic knows that a self-respecting skeptic doesn't know if there is or isn't a teapot in space.  also, russel was a philosophical reject when it comes to these things, he was only useful for set theory.

>>183
redcream has previously confessed to agnosticism regarding teapots in space, so i'm going to object to his current endorsement of a man's irrational negation of the existence of space teapots, since he's previously agreed that it can not currently be determined, and no new reasoning has been provided.

You are God.

God is in nature, in the air, the essence of all things, all reality, energy, the cosmos, every atom and electron, God is the universe and reality, and reality exists

I took a shit on God's chest and he said "MOAR MOAR MOAR!"

>>184
We live in a universe where large things produce a lot of evidence.  That you claim not to know proof of that statement means you have read no book past 1st grade.  Have you ever heard of geography?  Geology?  Astronomy?  Biology?

My statement stands as self-evident from anyone who has received a sufficiency of primary and secondary education.  If you doubt it, you only reveal your insanity, obstinance, or dishonesty.  Hence, you're dismissed under one or more of those cases.

There really ISN'T any undetectable dragon tiptoeing through your garden.  Similarly, there really ISN'T any undetectable Jewgod tiptoeing through your brain.

>>189
Redcream's Law:
evidence = k * mass where k is a constant.

The Holy One has descended!  After waiting for millennia, our holy order is finally graced with your divine presence in the form of RedCream.  We support you in your efforts to crush the fallacies of Jesus, Gilgamesh, God, flying teapots, Jewgods, and tiptoeing dragons with your perfect logic.  Humiliate those fools who would question the soundness of your logic!

Our main desire is to know your plans for existence.  In return, we offer our eternal servitude.  Please, enlighten us; show us the truth.

>>191
lol i get it.

"The rational man knows that anything ascribed as "invisible, weightless, odorless, incorporeal" is much more likely to simply NOT EXIST"

or it hasn't been found yet by science. Moreover if something is not "real" or is "undetectable" it doesn't mean that it does not exist.
You said it yourself: "is much more likely" not "definitively".
That still leaves a small chance for anything "invisible, weightless, odorless, incorporeal" to exist.

Actually there are many new physics theories about objects with more than three or four dimensions (superstrings), so many scientists are trying to found proof of "invisible, weightless, odorless, incorporeal" or almost non-existant-in-our-world matter. 
But until the very same moment that we achieve "total knowledge" we could not say what is real and what is not.


"My statement stands as self-evident from anyone who has received a sufficiency of primary and secondary education.  If you doubt it, you only reveal your insanity, obstinance, or dishonesty.  Hence, you're dismissed under one or more of those cases."

A statement can be self-evident but... it does not mean it's correct to everyone.
That's the same as saying: "If you do not agree with me you're either insane, idiot, or dishonest."

If that's it, I'm happy to be and insane and dishonest idiot.

About the main topic.

To begin with, most of you will hardly believe to a post in a board, but you asked for a proof of God's existence. Sadly I can't find anything to make you believe that God does exists, like I could do with Bush, just by writing about his appearance on your tv or monitor (or in your city if you're that unlucky). Ironically you may believe me if I say that Bush is a trained monkey, but you will not if I say that God does exist.

Of course I could chit-chat for hours about the nature of the soul, the inner spark of existance that's within' everyone.
Or about the "free will" which distinguishes humans from animals, making humans able to choose their own path (when used) without being lead by emotions or instict.
We could also talk about the bible, religions and tons of other things but there's no evidence that it's 100% reliable. That's why faith comes in.

But I'm sure that a small portion of people have heard of demonic possessions.
While the 95% of them are mental illnesses there's a small percentage of them that could not be cured without exorcism. If we do not consider exorcism a "Placebo", which would be crazy since we're talking about patients who aren't aware of their condition.

Moreover some cases are totally crazy, like you see in the movies: patients who vomits iron ( yes, iron with a % of stomach acid...), or are capable of speaking ancient languages unknown to them (impossible, unless our test case is graduated in Ancient Languages, which is difficult to obtain while being in an hospital), and they change their voice to a total different one.
So these kind of patient got cured and healed by exorcists. The "cure" would have been prayers and rituals...and it takes from a mounth to a year.

You can find such medical reports in the Gemini Hospital in Rome. That would make you think: "it's all fake", since Rome is the pope's city, but that's another story, since other european hospitals have the same kind of cases examined, let's assume that they're genuine.

But anyway that leaves a few options left.

If the patients are not ancient language graduated, with the amazing skill of changing his voice (ventriloquist?!), and a stomach who can hold solid iron for days, who set the whole thing up with a guy who calls himself an exorcists, there's a good chance that they may be honest...    

You can spend a lifetime looking for a reliable biblic source but you may not find a real proof. Instead you may find a medical report of someone who suffered from a demonic possession, you can find people that will testify that it happend.

So, if it is proved that someone can be healed with these religious rituals, there must be something real in what they say
Well that does not prove that God exist, it just means that demons or whatever causes that disease do exist and exorcists have the "power" to heal it. And they say it comes from God.

Moreover, exorcists and demons are present in almost all religions, in different forms and names. ( You can search for it as a proof).

Isn't it ironic that the proof of demon's existence is among the few "100% proved things" closer to prove that God does exists?

 

>>193
You can't sanely debate about things yet found by science, since you're just indulging in fiction.  On top of that, something as outrageous as the indicated dragon has no precedent.  That's a double strike against your musings being considered sane.

You don't need "total knowledge" to dismiss BULLSHIT.

And finally, the correctness of a self-evidency applies to everyone, like it or not.  You're just demonstrating your insanity, dishonesty or obstinence.  Which is it, fuckcake?

>>194
relativity: predicted then observed.

OH SHIT YOURE FUCKING WRONG AGAIN

Here we go...

"You don't need "total knowledge" to dismiss BULLSHIT."

That would sound correct but if only you'd read my post you'd find out what I meant. I'll explain it again in simple words. The whole existance is so complex and deep that the "rational man" ( the one you're talking about) is wrong by thinking that he can deny the existance of something "invisible, weightless, odorless, incorporeal" just because he has not experienced it yet.

Again...
"And finally, the correctness of a self-evidency applies to everyone, like it or not."

My statement was a self-evident one... and you did not agree with it. That is why it is correct to me and not to you. Basically you're criticizing my self-evidence while telling me that self-evidence is always correct...

I would have been glad to read someone write: "How can you prove that demonic possession is related to something in-human?" or "The existance of demons does not necessarily means that God does exists", I mean anything that we could debate.

RedCream you're just thinking about showing your english skills
while insulting anyone that does not agree with you.

I wont answer to any of your senseless posts where you'll try to insult me again using your "logic"...
And I'm not provoking you, right now, I'm just feeling really sorry for you.

>>195
Relativity was predicted from a previous set of lesser observations.  Science builds up a body of knowledge from observation, then prediction, then investigation, then observation, etc.

OH SHIT YOU'VE BEEN FUCKING PWNED AGAIN.

gb2college, you twentysomething mal-educated fuckwad.  You only command enough knowledge to be dangerous, not to be correct.

RedCream!  Answer our prayers!  Do not forsake those who have pined for your return.

Reveal to us the mysteries of the world.  Why did you make ships disappear in the Bermuda triangle?  Why are people hallucinating yetis and other monstrous creatures?  Why is Satan complaining about demonic possesssion?  Why did you allow the existence of such blasphemous dissenters?

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