Safe Sex Without Condoms?

Call me stupid, but I want sex without condoms. Sure, the girl can be on the pill and there can be spermicide and other birth control added into the mix, but, I want it without condoms.

A few years back me and my girlfriend at the time went to the local Planned Parenthood and got her on a birth control pill. They told her she's perfectly fine to have sex without a condom as long as she's taking the pill everyday. This resulted in wonderful times for me.

Now, my new girlfriend, years later, is the patch, after looking into the options, but sex without a condom wasn't offered.

I'm no pregnancy genius, so i'm curious as to whether i'd been completely lied to beforehand and had extremely stupid amounts of condomless sex, or if perhaps i've been mislead recently and that safe, condomless sex exists.

Mind you, when I say safe sex, I mean no pregnancy. With a mongomous relationship, i'm not too worried about STDs. Strictly talking about pregnancy here.

I figured this is the only board this is relevent to, considering health, sex, and the human body are considered science.

So, any help?

No method of contraception is absolutely certain to prevent pregancy (hell, the Virgin Mary got pregnant even though she was a virgin [assuming you believe the story]...).  I'm not well acquainted with the odds associated with each form of contraception, though I'm under the impression that condoms and vasectomies are the safest.

Why are you worried?  Abort, abort, abort!

VASECTOMY!  Cheap; done in the doctor's office; 100% effective; sore balls for a couple of days; after a few test shots to empty out the ol' reserve, you'll be firing blanks like a pro.  If you want kids later then just adopt or have some sort of transfer done from your balls.

There's always abortion.  I hope you don't have that imaginary friend sitting on your shoulder, telling you that abortion is evil or something.  There's nothing more evil, anyway, than having a kid you don't want and can't properly raise.  Fucking religious fundies!

OP here.

The girlfriend doesn't like abortion, not really morals or anything, just doesn't want her kid dying or doesn't like the sound of the procedure, or something.

And I don't want a vasectomy, cuz then there's no kids.

Basically, I had a qualified professional (allegedly.) tell me that as long as she's on the pill, we're good to go.

Now slightly more recently, i'm hearing nothing to support it.

So, besides abortion and vasectomy and abstinance, what're the options? Anybody know?

Have sex with her without a condom, then when your finished put in her, as many anesthetics as a man could hold then rip out her uterus. Problem solved, no need to thank me.

Nothing to support it? That's strange: the pill's effectiveness ranges from 92-99.97%. If it is used perfectly ie. without missing a day, the effectiveness is +99.97%, if used imperfectly then +92%.

>>3
i'm pro choice, but you seem overly confident.  where do you draw the line between abortion and murder, out of curiosity?  i'm honestly not trying to start a flamewarfestwar.

#7, we all draw lines of definition.  I've drawn the line at a live birth.  Before the live birth, it's a piece of the mother's body and she can do whatever she wants with it, including subjecting it to the most brutal abortion method known to man.  After a live birth, the piece of flesh is a person, and killing it would be murder.

I'm sure there are many people who draw that line at conception.  In fact, considering the quality of public sentiments, I'm sure that quite a few folk consider the "sin of Onan" to be a real crime.  Those people are the Real Enemies of 4chan (which should be called "4onan").

>>1
Yeah, you don't need condoms if she's on the pill. That's the whole point of the pill.

Also, afaik statistics like >>6 are over a full year of average sex, not each time you have sex. If you have condomless sex with a girl on the pill every couple days over the course a year, there's a <5% chance she'll get pregnant (and almost zero if she doesn't miss a day).

>>8
What about the possibility of premature birth?

Have her use the pill as you do now AND pull out after sex

>>8

Piece of flesh? What the hell are you smoking? bg2biologyI

It's a functional organism with the potential to be a fully fledged human being. Any time you abort you are removing that potential person from existance. You're still killing it. It is alive. Just because you're already grown does not mean that you can look back and arbitrarily decide when some one younger than you it a person or not!

The arrogance and selfishness of our generation is only paramount to the decadency of Rome.

OP Here

Let's not start the abortion thing here. We all know that babies come from the stork, you jackasses.

Anyway. Is there a place where I can find more official information about the pill? I'm obviously pretty inept at finding certain amounts of information by myself.

While some of you are posting utter nonsense, which is expected of you, being 4chan, others have posted useful information, so i'm interested to hear more.

>>2
the vitgin mary was raped at 12 by ah roman soldier named panthera that way she was magical pregnant joshep was 32 at that time and instead of killing the bride he decided to keep the boy

#12, you're a fundie asshole, who quite simply can't think straight and who has made America the theocratic hell that it is today.

The "organism" can't survive on its own, which is a really BIG BLACK MARK in the "organism" column.  But even with that aside, like I said and implied, it depends on where you ARBITRARILY draw the line.  I draw the line at a live birth.  Until then, this nonindependent "organism" is just a piece of the mother to me, and it will remain so no matter how many times you fundie dorks can't bend your tiny minds around such a viewpoint.

And, yes, an abortion means that I'm killing it.  I'm not so ghei that I avoid calling it what it is.  But it's not murder.  Before a live birth, the "organism" is just a piece of the mother and it's ENTIRELY hers to do with as she pleases.

Individual liberty is one of the founding principles of the American Republic.  Seeking such is not decadent.  The decadence instead is in your throwback philosophies.

P.S.  OP, if you don't accept abortion or a vasectomy, then your options for noncondomistic sex are largely confined to a pill, patch or implant.  THOSE ARE IT.

well, redcream, you're a bit forceful about your answer, but it's a good one, so thanks.

Personally, on the subject of abortion and all that jazz, why isn't masterbation considered murder? If anything, I think sperm are more capable of surviving on their own than a fetus is. Not for very long in either case, no, but, it's true.

So, er, why isn't masterbation bad?

>>13
Forgot the link to Wikipedia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_oral_contraceptive_pill#Effectiveness

Important are the "External Links" at the bottom of the page. Wikipedia should be your starting point for pretty much anything you need to know about, and the external links should be used to confirm what it says.

>>16
if youre really religious, then it is.

in any case, i'd draw the line earlier than live birth, since a whatever you want to call it before birth is, under the right circumstances, capable of life outside the womb.  it doesn't really make sense to talk about 'independent' for a baby, since baby's even after being born arent capable of sustaining their own lives, theyd starve pretty damn fast, and essentially that was what they were using the umbilical cord for anyway.  so why cant you kill a 3 week old (after birth) baby?  it's just a part of the mother that was cut away, and is still depending on other people for survival.

>>7
I'd say a few weeks after birth.  The little creatures are barely sentient, and barely capable of motion.  Hell, dogs have more intellect than 1 week old human babies, and we kill dogs all the time.  I agree with >>3, but it would be preferable if less harmful (to the mother) methods of abortion were available.

>>12
Right... I'd like to see that day old blastocyst live by itself outside the uterus.  It's hard enough even in a controlled environment (eg test tube), let alone the heavily contaminated region known as everyday life.

>>15
w007 - Another source I encountered a while ago compared the embryo to a malignant tumor.  They consume the host's resources without contributing anything.  Thus, they can be freely eradicated with impunity.

>>16
Last I checked, sperm is definitely less capable of living on its own.  Compared to other similar sized organisms, it has negligible protection and is barely able to feed itself.

>>18
I never said that you can't kill a 3 week old baby.

Now that we're on this topic, I recall a number of years ago, there was an unfortunate pregnant girl whose parents were oppossed to abortion (I think), and was unable to obtain one (this I do remember).  She eventually gave birth and removed her child from existance.  When the federal authorities found out, she was sentenced to many years in jail (some serial killers get lighter sentences, arg).  My sympathies are with her, though I'm not sure what the rest of 4chan thinks.  Thoughts?

>>19

this is 18, my paragraph part was responding to redcreams drawing the line at live birth.  i'm not even sure who you are, since youre not 16 either apparently

Contraception = abortion = murder.
Breed or go to hell, fag.

>>12

So when you masturbate you are murdering millions of children?

>>20
I just randomly jumped in this discussion.  Though your statements were in response to redcream, I thought it would be appropriate to insert my opinion on the matter [ie I don't care much about half sentient masses of human cells].

>>23
whats your opinion on the handicapped and mentally ill who require care to live.

As usual, looks like answering the OP's question was completely pointless after all.

You're all idiots.

OP here.

I really wish some better answers could have been issued. Honestly, nobody cares about abortion, that's so 90's.

I'm sorry for not being a qualified medical professional with the information you need.  As such, the most I can offer is conjecture based off of wikipedia and other sources I have read.

No

OP here.

i've changed my mind now i want to know about how to maximise your chances to becoming pregnant. My girlfriend and I want to have a baby.

OP's note:

#29 is full of crap.

Babies are for suckers, abortions are for winners.

>>30
Become a hero.

>>29
The magic is not wanting to have it.  When you want to have it, you will suddenly become infertile.  To be more helpful, tell the woman to something you find really erotic(whatever your fetish is).  This will make it a less stressful enviroment because it is not sex for the baby.

# 30 is full of crap, # 29 is not...
Stop pretending to be me, # 30, i'm serious

My ladie's on the patch and I pull out every time.  This provides many interesting choices of where to finish, and it's always good for a laugh.

Aren't there contraceptive injections?

I wants lots and lots of some delectable pot!

Marijuana MUST be legalized.

>>1

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