As some of you may or may not have heard, one of the famous M4 Enigma ciphers has been decoded using the power of over 2,500 computers connected to solve the ciphers.
You can donate your computer power by goin to that site.
zomg, teh internets helped solve something *dies*
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Anonymous2006-03-03 19:31
nazi gold
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Anonymous2006-03-03 20:46
Good job!!!!
Now that we know what Rommel is up to, we can free Africa and help the nig... OH SHI-
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Anonymous2006-03-03 22:32
This is so incredibly boring I might shoot myself. All I can say is thank god for those who could be botherred to decode the fucking thing so we could win ww2.
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Anonymous2006-03-04 7:26 (sage)
OMG we never won :tinfoil:
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Anonymous2006-03-04 10:24
It would be like the Philip K.Dick's 'Man In The High Castle'
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Anonymous2006-03-04 14:18 (sage)
LOL, WWII didn't happen! Seems the Jews fooled you all, they did a really good job I must say, what with leaving undeciphered messages and the brainwashing and all.
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Anonymous2006-03-04 15:04 (sage)
>>7
LOL, you're going to jail! If you're in Europe, that is.
A guy with a PH.D is is in jail for speaking his mind. David Irving
went to jail for speech crimes, just like Ernst Zundel and Germar
Rudolph.
Seriously, this is a bad thing for free speech. Who knows, maybe there
wasn't a systematic extermination of Jews. The evidence these people
bring up is pretty stiff, stiff enough to get thme sent to jail for
'insulting the dead' where 'the truth is no defense.' Seriously folks.
Where's the decent people around who care about things like open-debate
and the truth no matter what it may be when you need them? We're supposed
to be open-minded people, even about things like the Holocaust.
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Anonymous2006-03-19 22:58
Hm... First off I think the holocaust was pretty real and whoever says it was't is probably a faggot. Yet I don't see why we shouldn't/aren't be allowed to even question the official Amerikkkan version of History. Freedom my ass.
Why is everyone so upset about this? Its one crazy guy in germany; there are greater violations of free speech just about everywhere.
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Anonymous2006-03-20 8:11
>>15
Yeah, you lefties whine about free speech but when somebody wants to question something you don't like then free speech is over.
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Anonymous2006-03-20 12:02
Actually the 'Holocaust' has been inquired into by many people. They all go to jail or get death threats though, so many don't speak out. I think that the Holohoax was a hoax. Intellectually, I'm curious if it was not only a way for the Jews to punish the Germans but also to scam the world out of billions (which they have) and a piece of land owned rightfully by another people.
My degree is in history. I wouldn't ever dare say anything. I'm under threat of losing my job,being hounded socially, and/or being killed.
The actual numbers of 'holocaust truthseekers/revionists/"Deniers"/whatever' are actually pretty high and the only ones that would even attempt it are people whose area of expertise is history. There are actually quite a few public ones, but you never hear about them because the media keeps a lid on them. The media is not objective.
What atleast three people are in jail for 'holocaust denial' in Europe. An Israeli/Jewish(duh) lawyer wants to put the head-honcho of Iran in jail for 'Holocaust denial.' Let's see...
There was also this one guy in France that published something indirectly critical of the six million myth (historian with degree,) they came into his house without warning, arrested him temporarily, searched his house, and burned his papers. They told him that if he published any more 'holocaust denial' he would spend several years in jail, minimum sentence.
There are all sorts of stories like this.
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Anonymous2006-03-20 12:55
Holocaust is a myth fabricated and perpetuated by Jews to enduce sympathy from the international community while they rape Palestine. Now that they are taking the rape too far, everyone is waking up to the truth. Fuck the jews. Bunch of lying scums.
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Anonymous2006-03-20 18:42
I doubt you can lie about that, especially when families lost so many members and everybody saw what happened that night where Germans were pissed off and broke Jew shop windows.
I know there's a possibility that the number of victims was exaggerated (and I would say the same happened in China, where they claim the Japanese killed more people than the city ever had), but I don't think this can be a fake.
The fact that the iranian faggot claims the holocaust was fake doesn't help to think it was indeed fake. Adolf Hitler would have probably denied the holocaust too.
Look, I always love how people just run around in circles talking about tertiary issues like survivor stories (people can lie, and they lie even better when you can get 1 million for being a 'holocaust survivor!' No joke, look at how much these people were actually PAID.) as if they were some form of refutation to:
(I'm too lazy to resort the numbers)
2. If the Jewish population was 1/2th'd or 1/3ed'd (I forget which) then why in the hell did their population go up during WWII? That's alotta babies!
3. Why did the 'anti-semetic' organization of the !Red Cross! give the German concentration camps their seal of approval? (They inspected the camps.)
4. Why wasn't there any testimony /not under TORTURE and threats to kill family members/ that there were concentration camps?
5. The Germans were always fastitious in keeping records. How come these things weren't recorded.
6. Why were there only around 300,000-400,000 people detained in concentration camps on record (including criminals, traitors, gypsies, Jews, and other people the National Socialists didn't approve of) if six MILLION were killed? The Germans kept records of EVERYTHING.
7. How precisely did the Germans manage to cremate six million people. People who specialize in cremation have said this was patently impossible. The ashes of six million people would be VISIBLE FROM SPACE. The ironic thing I keep on thinking of is that when you look at all these concentration camps, and think to yourself... 6,000,000? These camps would have trouble with a couple of thousand...
8. Zyklon B was used as a delousing agent. It's known that the Germans wrote plenty of letters talking about how to increase the quality of life for the people in concentration camps (not Jews specifically but indirectly.) I guess that's why they built swimming pools, orchestras, and soccor fields for the people in the concentration camps. Why go to all that trouble if you're just going to kill people?
9.Zyklon B sucks at killing people. It's like trying to kill somebody by putting them in a bathroom you just bleached. Yes, the National Socialists somehow managed to kill six million people using something about as deadly as smelling bleach. The only reason why Zyklon B would even be suggested, as ludiocrous as it is, would be because the National Socialists didn't keep any truly lethal hazardous gases around. Yes, six million Jews were fumigated to death. (Rolls eyes) Beyond ridiculous. The Nazis must have also poisoned them with salt in the hopes that they would grow diamond bunions! Just come up with something ridiculous and easily proven to be untrue! If it's about the holocaust, you can get sent to jail for doubting it in Europe and the truth is not a defense.
10. If the National Socialists wanted to kill people, by God they could kill people. A tiny European nation taking on the rest of Europe, Russia, and the United States proves that beyond a doubt. The Germans could kick serious ass and were definately hardcore. So, why in the Hell, didn't they just go ahead and dig pits like Stalin and just shoot people while in the pits. The Germans were very efficiency minded people. They didn't have a lot to waste in the first place. Why not just shoot the Jews and reuse the casings? Why do some crazy evil genius type plan? Shower heads? With Gas? It goes totally against every single National Socialist ideal. If the National Socialists wanted you dead, they'd shoot you in the head. Quick and efficient. No bullshit. They'd also shoot you somewhere so the mess would be easy to clean up. In short, no silly underhanded plans from these guys. That's too 'Jewish' for a National Socialist.
11. The first 'holocaust' storied were something around 40 million Jews, or some ridiculous number like that. Over time, the numbers decreased. The first stories were of things like electro-shock chambers and other ridiculous ideas. Over time, the stories that were just totally unbelievable lies managed to get weeded out. Eventually, after people actually genetically tested them, the soap and the lamp shade stories (the lie is that they made out of Jews) were proven false using modern technology. No human skin or fat. Ironically, the German soap that was tested was actually without fat if I remember correctly, a rather cheaply made soap because the Germans had shortages of everything, even fuel (V2 rockets were made with ethanol if my memory serves correctly. The one thing the Germans had an endless supply of was practical genius.)
12. It goes against the National Socialist modus operandi. Look, if somebody suggested the systematic extermination of somebody, then guess what a National Socialist would say to you, "That sounds like something a Jew would do." They took this thing very seriously. National Socialists are sort of like the modern day and practical extension of those guys that sat in ranks and agreed to shoot each other. They were VERY concerned with honor, dignity, and fair play. They screwed over the Jews, but that's because the Jews screwed over them, or so their story goes. Some things they simply wouldn't have done, because they would have considered them Jewish. Let me point out to you that many Jewish holidays celebrate the Jewish slaughter of their enemies, and the old testament has a couple of stories of Jews gleefully slaughtering entire peoples, sisters, brothers, mothers, fathers, and even LIVESTOCK. The Jews are quite ethnocentric and you don't survive as a collective in alien environments by being nice. A National Socialist would tell you straight up that they didn't like Jews, although not all of them were bad, but wiping out all of them would be Jewish ideal and not German. Hitler talked about setting up a place for Jews in Madagascar.
13. No gas chambers. No proof. No prussian blue staining. No physical evidence. Killing six million people leaves physical traces. Killing a THOUSAND people leaves traces. You can't hide killing 100 people, and today killing ten without notice would be impossible.
14. Auschwitz. Number killed at one stage, 4 mil. Changed the sign to like 2mil. Then to 1.5 mil. Then to 1mil. I think they recently changed it or are thinking about changing it to 800 something thousand. Why the change? A colleague of mine once made a joke that Jewish math goes something like this:
6,000,000
-6,000,000
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6,000,000
Some things are funny because they're true.
Look, I could come up with detractions from the six million myth all day. There are so many proofs, undeniable proofs, against the six million myth or the systematic killing myth that I can't even LIST them all from memory (and I've done a lot of research in this area.)
Quite frankly, in open debate with openminded people, the holohoax is dead. The Germans mistreated some people in the concentration camps, but they didn't systematically murder anybody. They probably treated the concentration camp members better than the Japanese were treated in the US during their internment, and for a longer time. I'm an American and I have no problems saying this, but the truth is the truth. Case closed.
1. There is suitable evidence for WW2.
2. The evidence for the six million myth is doubtable, spurious, incomplete, ridiculous, and easily disproven.
Research and debate are the only ways to divide lies from truth. Comparing a lie (the systematic extermination of Jews by National Socialist Germany) to the truth (the event known to us as WW2 in the European theater) does not make the lie, truth, nor a truth, a lie.
All the people who are trying to say that WW2 didn't happen because the holohoax didn't happen are just trying to be sarcastic and ridiculous.
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Anonymous2006-03-23 8:32
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Can you prove beyond unreasonable (hey, I'm Anonymous) doubt that WW2 did happen?
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Anonymous2006-03-23 9:19
Yes. The key there is unreasonable. If you are a relativist or a nihilist or if you are a strict immediate experience empiricist or someone that believes that only they exist then I probably wouldn't be able to convince you. That's more of an epistemological question.
However, within a structure of qualifiably practical reason, WW2 is a verifiable event and the six million myth is just that, a myth.
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Anonymous2006-03-23 10:38
I can just advise everyone reading this to read also arguments of the other side. Do not forget this is the INTERNETS with all kinds of weirdos. People telling you that there are Aliens on earth, we didn't land on the moon, whatever. If someone approached you on the street and told you his crazy version of the world, you would just turn away and not think about it. But if it is written, people tend to believe it more.
So please everyone, if you are interested in this subject, there are plenty of sites AGAINST holocaust denial, which counter every argument the holocaust deniers come up with.
Well, atleast make sure that they are 'counters' and not misdirections. I'm tired of Holocaust mythologitians of not tackling the actual issues mentioned.
Also, be sure that the proof cited by the people trying to further the existence of the holocaust lie are proving that six million died, not that Jews died at the hands of Germans. Jews did die in concentration camps, but a systematic extermination is a far cry from typhus (which they tried to keep down using ironically Zyklon B) or starvation (which was endemic in Germany at the end of the war.)
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Anonymous2006-03-23 11:25
In other words, if a Jew dies in Germany, that does not prove the holocaust.
Jews dying != Holocaust Holocaust=systematic extermination of Jews in a rather ridiculous way.
Furthermore, the logical structure of the argument that holocaust mythologicians use is thus: If Jews were systematically exterminated Jews died. Jews died.
Therefore:
Jews were systematically exterminated.
This follows the logical form of:
A->B
B
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A
This is a logical fallacy known as affirming the consequent.
If Jews were systematically killed, of course they were killed. However, Jews dying does not mean they were systematically killed. People die for all sorts of reasons, there is no bidirectionality of death being linked to death by systematic extermination. That would mean that, for instance, because my grandmother died she died by systematic extermination in Germany. This is patently untrue and ridiculous. She died from disease in another country entirely.
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Anonymous2006-03-23 12:01
12 million died in the holocaust, you bitch.
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Anonymous2006-03-23 12:02
i.e. you forgot poland.
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Anonymous2006-03-23 12:23
No, 20 million died in the holocaust, and anybody that says otherwise should go to jail.
The whole "oh the jew population still went up" is just a myth because people either:
1. Didn't bother looking up facts.
2. Used a poor source of information.
If you look at the World Almanac you can find exactly how many jews there were in the census before (16,643,120) and after (11,266,600) the war.
But hey, people shouldn't be put in jail for that sort of thing. People should be open to examine any theory as much as they want until they give up or find evidence to disprove it.
Silly European laws.
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Anonymous2006-03-24 6:59
>>38
THE WORLD ALMANAC IS A REPUTABLE SOURCE THAT IS NEVER WRONG!!!
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Anonymous2006-03-24 10:48
The World Almanac was revised in 1949 World Almanac with figures from the American Jewish Committee. The American Jewish Committee also supplied figures for before that 'didn't reflect the holocaust,' but then there is significant evidence to doubt both the pre-war and the post-war statistics by the World Almanac are accurate.
In other words, they modified their current story in the 1949 World Almanac to reflect their new story, without any physical evidence.
There is no evidence that 6 million Jews died during this period. My source is shown below in full. My source's sources are included in the text, but only as references.
For those who need a refresher, World War 2 was from 1939 to 1945.
(Note: I'm trying to post the full source, but I'm getting problems with my submission being too large.)
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Anonymous2006-03-24 10:51
From Arthur R. Butz's The Hoax of the Twentieth Century
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How Many Jews?
In this introductory chapter, we quickly review the principal problems that
arise when demographic questions are asked. We then indicate, how demographic
problems are resolved in this book, but indicate that the specific task of resolution
must be deferred until later in the book.
The problems inherent in a demographic study are formidable. First, all
sources of post-war primary data are private Jewish or Communist sources (exclu-
Nation Europa, vol. 23 (Oct. 1973), 50; vol. 25 (Aug. 1975), 39. The Ginsburg beating incident is
well known and is mentioned by App, 20.
Arthur R. Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century
sively the latter in the all important cases of Russia and Poland). Second, it appears that one can get whatever results desired by consulting the appropriately selected pre-war and post-war sources. Consider world Jewish population. The 1939
study of Arthur Ruppin, Professor of Jewish Sociology at the Hebrew University
of Jerusalem, gave 16,717,000 Jews in the world in 1938.20 Because Ruppin (who
passed away in 1943) was considered the foremost expert on such matters, on account of many writings on the subject over a period of many years, the estimates
of other pre-war sources tend to agree with him. Thus, the American Jewish
Committee estimate for 1933, which appears in the 1940 World Almanac, was
15,315,359. The World Almanac figure for 1945 is 15,192,089 (page 367); no
source is given, but the figure is apparently based on some sort of religious census. The 1946 World Almanac revised this to 15,753,638, a figure which was retained in the editions of 1947 (page 748), 1948 (page 572), and 1949 (page 289).
The 1948 World Almanac (page 249) also gives the American Jewish Committee
estimate for 1938 (sic), 15,688,259 while the 1949 World Almanac (page 204) reports new figures from the American Jewish Committee, which were developed in
1947-1948: 16,643,120 in 1939 and 11,266,600 in 1947.
However, New York Times military expert Hanson Baldwin, in an article written in 1948 dealing with the then forthcoming Arab-Jewish war on the basis of information available at the UN and other places, gave a figure of 15 to 18 million
world Jewish population as well as figures for such things as Jews in Palestine,
Jews in the Middle East, Arabs in Palestine, total Arabs, total Moslems, etc.21
Such a sketch illustrates some of the simpler uncertainties that exist in a demography study. To carry the matter further, the 11-12 million postwar world
Jewish population figure, which it is necessary to claim in order to maintain the
extermination thesis, is very vulnerable on two points. The first is the set of statistics offered for the U.S., and the second is the set offered for Eastern Europe.
Both, especially the latter, are subject to insuperable uncertainties. Let us first
consider the United States. Census figures for the total U.S. population are:22
while U.S. Jewish population figures, as given by the Jewish Statistical Bureau
(subsidiary of either the American Jewish Conference or the Synagogue of America), H. S. Linfield, Director, are:23
20
Ruppin, 30-33.
21
New York Times (Feb. 22, 1948), 4.
22
World Almanac (1931), 192; (1942), 588; (1952), 394; (1962), 251.
23
World Almanac (1931), 197; (1942), 593; (1952), 437; (1962), 258.
Chapter 1: Trials, Jews and Nazis
Table 2: U.S. Jewish population
YEAR JEWISH POPULATION
1917 3,388,951
1927 4,228,029
1937 4,770,647
1949 5,000,000
1961 5,530,000
It is important to note that all of the U.S. Jewish population figures are given
by the same source (Linfield).
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Anonymous2006-03-24 10:52
The indicated growth of U.S. Jewish population, 1917-1937, is 40.8%, while
the growth of total U.S. population, 1920-1940, is 24.6%. This contrast is generally reasonable, since in the period under consideration Jewish immigration was
fairly heavy. However, Jewish immigration into the U.S. raises some problems of
its own. The American Jewish yearbook gave a net Jewish immigration for the
years 1938-1943 and 1946-1949 (inclusive) of 232,191.24 Figures for 1944 and
1945 do not seem to be available. It was in those two years, incidentally, that an
indeterminate number of Jews were admitted to the U.S. âoutside of the regular
immigration procedure.â It was claimed that there were only 1,000 such Jews
quartered at a camp near Oswego, New York, and that they were not eligible for
admission to the U.S. This was supposed to be a U.S. contribution to relieving the
problems of refugees, but the whole episode seems most strange and suspicious.25
Rather than attempt to settle the problem of the extent of Jewish immigration,
suppose one allows the Jewish population a growth rate in 1937-1957 at least
equal to that of the U.S. Jewish population of 1917-1937, as seems at least reasonable in view of various facts, e.g., the reasons which sent 1.5 million Jews to
Palestine during the World War II and aftermath period appear to motivate immigration to the U.S. just as well, and no national or racial immigration quotas were
applicable to Jews as such. In such a case, there should be at least 6,678,000 Jews
in the U.S. in 1957, not the 5,300,000 that are indicated. There are about
1,400,000 Jews missing from the interpolated figures for 1957, and we consider
this a conservative figure for the reason given. The period 1937-1957 was one of
Jewish movement on an unprecedented scale.
On the other hand, we can adopt an equally conservative approach and assume
that the 4,770,647 Jews of 1937 grew in 1937-1957 at the same rate as the U.S.
population in 1940-1960. Under this assumption, these should have become
6,500,000 Jews in the U.S. in 1957. If one adds the reasonable figure of 300,000
more due to immigration, we have 6,800,000 in 1957. Thus, by either method of
extrapolation the figures offered for post-war U.S. Jewish population are at least
approximately 1.5 million short for 1957.
The specific major fault of the U.S. Jewish population figures is the inexplicably small claimed growth from 1937 to 1949 despite record Jewish movement and
24
World Almanac (1952), 438.
25
US-WRB (1945), 64-69; New York Times (June 10, 1944), 1; (June 13, 1944), 1; (Aug. 10, 1944),
5; (Oct. 24, 1944), 14; (Oct. 25, 1944), 13; Myer, 108-123.
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a very open U.S. immigration policy.
Eastern Europe, however, presents the core of the demographic problem. In
order to avoid very serious confusion, one must first recognize that there have
been extensive border changes in Eastern Europe in the course of the twentieth
century. A map of Europe on the eve of World War I (1914) is given as Fig. 1. A
map for January 1938 showing, essentially, Europe organized according to the
Treaty of Versailles, before Hitler began territorial acquisitions, is given in Fig. 2,
and Fig. 4 shows the post-war map of Europe. The principal border change at the
end of World War II was the moving westward of the Soviet border, annexing the
three Baltic countries (Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia) and parts of Romania,
Czechoslovakia, Poland, and East Prussia. Poland was compensated with the remainder of East Prussia and what used to be considered eastern Germany; the effect was to move Poland bodily westward.
Pre-war (1938) Jewish population estimates for Eastern Europe were offered
by H. S. Linfield and the American Jewish Committee in the 1948 (sic) World
Almanac (page 249). Post-war (1948) figures are published in the 1949 World
Almanac (page 204).
Table 3: Eastern European Jewish population (est.)
The claimed Jewish loss for Eastern Europe is thus 4,985,912. The figure for
the USSR includes, in both cases, the three Baltic countries and the Jews of Soviet
Asia. The pre-war figures are in all cases in close agreement with the figures that
Ruppin published shortly before the war. To the extent that the extermination legend is based on population statistics, it is based precisely on these statistics or
their equivalents.
The trouble is that such figures are absolutely meaningless. There is no way a
Western observer can check the plausibility, let alone the accuracy, of such figures. He must either be willing to accept Jewish or Communist (mainly the latter)
claims on Jewish population for Eastern Europe, or he must reject any number offered as lacking satisfactory authority.
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It is possible to reinforce our objection on this all important point and simultaneously deal with a reservation that the reader may have; it would appear excessively brazen to claim the virtual disappearance of Polish Jewry, if such had not
been essentially or approximately the case or if something like that had not happened. This seems a valid reservation, but one must recall that much of the territory that was considered Polish in 1939 was Soviet by 1945. It was possible for
Polish Jewry to virtually disappear, if, during the 1939-1941 Russian occupation
of Eastern Poland, the Soviets had dispersed large numbers of Polish Jews into the
Chapter 1: Trials, Jews and Nazis
Soviet Union and if, during 1941-1944, the Germans had concentrated Polish
Jews eastwards, with the Soviet Union ultimately absorbing many of these Jews
into its territory, with those who did not wish to remain in the Soviet Union emigrating, mainly to Palestine and the U.S., but also to some extent to the new Poland and other lands. This, in fact, is what happened to the Jews who had resided
in Poland before the war.
Whatever may be said about Soviet Jewish policy after, say, 1950, it is clear
that the earlier policies had not been anti-Jewish and had encouraged the absorption of Jews into the Soviet Union. It is known that many Polish Jews were absorbed during and immediately after the war, but of course numbers are difficult
to arrive at. Reitlinger considers this problem and settles on a figure of 700,000,
without giving reasons why the correct figure might not be much higher. He then
notes that the evidence that he employs of extermination of Jews in Russia
(documents alleged to be German) indicates about the same number of Soviet
Jews exterminated, from which he correctly infers that, in the period 1939-1946,
the Soviet Jewish population may have actually increased.26 This important concession, coming from the author of The Final Solution, shows that our unwillingness to accept the Communist figures need not be regarded as motivated merely
by the necessities of our thesis. The figures are inarguably untrustworthy. It is
claimed by the Soviets that their Jewish population declined by 38%, despite the
acquisition of territory containing many Jews. Since the USSR is one of the lands
where âJewâ is a legally recognized nationality, the Soviets do indeed possess accurate figures on the number of Jews they have but have chosen (in Reitlingerâs
opinion, if you choose not to accept this authorâs) to claim an utterly mythical
Jewish population loss of 38%.
Likewise with the value to be attached to the remainder of the figures offered.
The most relevant research by a demographer appears to be that of Leszek A.
Kosinski of the University of Alberta (Geographical Review, Vol. 59, 1969, pp.
308-402 and Canadian Slavonic Papers, Vol. 11, 1969, pp. 357-373), who has
studied the changes in the entire ethnic structure of East Central Europe (i.e. excluding Germany and Russia) over the period 1930-1960. He explains the extreme
difficulties with basic statistics:
âThe criteria used in compilation differ from country to country and are
not always precise. In principle, two types are used: objective criteria, such as
language, cultural affiliation, and religious denomination, and subjective cri
teria, based on the declaration of the persons themselves. Each type has vir
tues and deficiencies. Objective criteria define nationality only indirectly and
are difficult to apply in marginal cases (for example, bilingual persons).
The same criticism applies even more to subjective criteria. External pres
sure and opportunism can influence the results, especially where national con
sciousness is not fully developed or where an honest answer can bring unde
sirable consequences. Official data are not always reliable, then, even when
they are not forged, as has also occurred. However, criticism of the official
Reitlinger, 534, 542-544.
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data cannot be applied in the same degree to all the countries, and reliability
is very much a function of national policy.â
Jews are of course one of the groups Kosinski is interested in, and he presents
various figures, generally comparable to those given above, for numbers of prewar Jews. However, his post-war data are so useless from this point of view that
he does not even attempt to offer specific post-war numbers for Jews, although he
offers post-war figures for other groups, e.g. gypsies, giving numbers less significant, statistically, than the numbers of Jews who, according to the extermination
mythologists, survived in Eastern Europe. It is true that he accepts the extermination legend in a general way and presents a bar graph showing a catastrophic decrease in the Jewish populations of Poland, Hungary, Romania and Czechoslovakia. He also remarks that the combined war-caused population losses for Yugoslavs, Jews, Poles and east Germans was about 12.5-14 million, not breaking the
total down, and referring the reader to the statistical summary Population
Changes in Europe Since 1939 by Gregory (Grzegorz) Frumkin, whose figures
for Jews come from the American Jewish Congress, the Zionist Organization of
America, and the Centre de Documentation juive contemporaine (Center for Contemporary Jewish Documentation) in Paris.
However, the point is that Kosinski arrives at no figures for Jews, as he obviously should not, given the problems he has noted. The ethnic population figures
from Communist Hungary are based on language, and the figures from Communist Poland, Communist Czechoslovakia, and Communist Romania are based on
ânationality,â whatever that means in the various cases. Naturally, he apologizes
for his use of âofficial statistics, imperfect as these may be.â We will return to
demographic problems, especially those which involve the Polish Jews, in Chapter 7.
We must also remember that the problem of counting Jews in Western countries contains enormous difficulties on account of the lack of any legal, racial, or
religious basis for defining a âJew.â As an example, the statistics available to
Reitlinger indicate to him that early in World War II there were 300,000 Jews in
France, including refugee German Jews.27
The Nazis, on the other hand, thought that there were 865,000, and I see no
motivation for deliberate inflation of this figure; other figures used by the Nazis
were not wildly inflated compared to the figures of other sources.28 I should add
that I really have no idea how many Jews there are in the U.S. I can consult the
World Almanac, which will tell me that there are about 6,000,000, but I cannot
see how that figure was arrived at and have little confidence in it. As far as I
know, the correct figure could as easily be 9,000,000. There must be at least
4,000,000 in the New York area alone.
To summarize what has been said with respect to Jewish population statistics:
the problem of compiling such statistics is formidable even without political interference or pressure. Moreover, in the demographic argument for a five or six million drop in world Jewish population, the sources and authorities for the figures
Sorry... It's written
"but then there is significant evidence to doubt both the pre-war and the post-war statistics by the World Almanac are accurate. "
but it should be
"but then there is significant evidence to doubt both the pre-war and the post-war statistics by the World Almanac are NOT accurate."
In editing the sentence I left out the not.
Sometimes I hate not being able to edit posts.. Oh well..
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Anonymous2006-03-24 11:17
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