charging interest is legal. but it's still reprobable. (even the vatican supports the islamic banking over the 'occidental' banking because of that)
Historically, some cultures (e.g. Christianity in much of Medieval Europe, Islam in many parts of the world today) have regarded charging any interest for loans as sinful and most still do today.
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Anonymous2013-02-14 19:41
Fuck yes!
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Anonymous2013-02-14 19:43
>>2
Islam supports sex with underage girls (by western standards)
>>8
Actually, yes. They are looking at the product of someone's suffering and exploitation. Which exists because sick fucks are looking for them and distributing them, forming a sick gift economy. Or straight out selling them.
>>5 Did Mohammed the Islamic Prophet have sex with underage girls and boys?
Muhamad married a 6 yr old little girl(Aisha) and plowed her front and back like a farmer plows his fields. He was a vile pedophile. The koran and its sharia law agrees with muhmud. As do 450 Palestinian men who 'married' little girls in Gaza last year at night in a mass 'marriage', under the force of law. Check out You Tube with those key words. bin Ladin had 200 brothers. So multiple wives are also practiced with the force of law. When the little girls have their menses, the pregnancies start. 5-6 by age 20. After all that molestation the little girls brains have turned to mush, and after multiple pregnancies, there is little brain power left in the women. And no fight in them. One false word or act and they can be divorced by their 'husband' and they are kicked out of the house with no rights to the children, etc.
The oppression of the women as well as the pedophilia is a hideous stone age practice that is incompatible with every other society. It is kept very quiet in the first wave of 'immigrants'. But when the true believers arrive there is a great hue and cry to institute sharia 'law' so they can resume their evil practices. At which time, the first wave of 'good' muslims now keep their mouths shut as to objecting to these fundamentals practices. And the takeover begins. Mass praying in the public streets-- with traffic jams, building their mosques on top of the conquered infidels churches, temples, or ruined buildings, the 'honor' killings, the lying fake oaths of allegiance to the US, the terrorist cells in every mosque and madrassa that teach from the current handbook of terrorism-- the koran. There is NO special mosque for terrorists. Even educated Doctors become terrorists.eg as Fort Hood.
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Anonymous2013-02-14 21:55
Lolies!
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Anonymous2013-02-14 22:09
>>9 They are looking at the product of someone's suffering and exploitation.
Doesn't stop you from reading papers written by abused grad students.
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Anonymous2013-02-14 22:17
>>11 is that true? =/ I was pretty horrified watching a thing on telly about acid attacks in pakistan (basically husbands throwing undilute battery acid in their wives faces.. not very common, but still ~100+ cases per year..)
>>13
Hmmm... their situation is shitty but they are consenting adults. Of course, that was a joke, but let's not cede terrain to the pedos in this matter, shall we?
>>11 After all that molestation the little girls brains have turned to mush, and after multiple pregnancies, there is little brain power left in the women pedophilia is a hideous stone age practice
Haha you actually believe this. Back to /church/, ``normalshit''.
>>24
Oh, look, an ``atheist'' who thinks that no god means no ethics nor morals. Enjoy your pope.
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Anonymous2013-02-14 22:46
Perhaps countries should only accept female & child refugee's..? the men can go home and help sort their shit out ^^
No use bringing a failed culture with them.. Go home and kill the reasons you left...
>>26
It's true and you know it. I don't like religious people, but they make a good point about this. How do arbitrary rules mean anything when it turns out that they're not really made by any all-powerful beings/forces who control your ``afterlife''? Atheists trying to fit in struggle to come up with desperate stuff like using pain/suffering to decide what's ``wrong.'' Of course this begs the question that ``wrong'' is a real phenomenon. Sensation is nothing magical, just ion potential gradients in nerve cells. The more you think about it honestly, the less morality makes any sense.
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Anonymous2013-02-14 23:01
Well us better men, why should we die for your shitty problems?
Step up bitches... prove you are worthy of a wife and children
>>28
Oh, for fuck's sake. Did you just try to use a shitty reductionist argument to hand wave suffering as a basis for morals, or basically anything in human experience? Yeah, yeah, yeah. These words here you read are but the energy emissions of particles in an excited state. Yet they still have meaning, as do your thoughts, mere chemical processes.
And to add to that, the evolutionary purpose of morality is to the fitness of the weak. Morality protects the weak at the expense of the strong. Species smart enough to think up ``morality,'' follow it, and enforce it with blissfully contradictory force, secure their inevitable extinction.
Pedophiles need to be wiped out. As soon as there is evidence of them, they need to be killed. If they have never looked at CP or trapped a kid, then they might just get life, but I doubt there is one alive that ever did that.
>>32
Actually, yeah, as >>34 pleads, that's over the line, if only because there are enough idiots out there who think that and would jump at the opportunity to make it happen.
>>28
Then you're totally okay with being born in a shitty environment and serving the rest of your life as a homosexual BDSM sex slave?
>>24
If I may interject, the incorrect point that a lot of people seem to make is that an appropriate societal response to child abuse committed for the purpose of making recordings for sick fucks is to ban all such recordings altogether. As drug bans have shown us in the past 60 years, such an approach is ineffective and actually drives up the (black) market value of the banished item, thus making it more profitable to produce. If a government's goal were to make it unprofitable for child abusers to produce and sell recordings, they could simply make available all the existing banished recordings for free.
Free market dynamics and morality really don't mix very well.
>>36
Many pedo rings actually produce and distribute their shit gratis, making a gift economy out of their shitfuckery. I don't think that'll help a bit.
Besides, you'd be fucking over the people who were recorded and, you know, are still alive and aware that their abuse is saved for posterity and replayed and replayed.
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Anonymous2013-02-14 23:31
>>36 ->28? No, but i'd be all too happy to go on a rampage if life was that shitty.. Plus you can't have children without women, hence an end to the shitty cycle..
Perhaps we could arm the male refugee's and then send them home.. It seems kind of obvious that taking a few people out of the country does absolutely nothing for the country itself
>>37 Many pedo rings actually produce and distribute their shit gratis, making a gift economy out of their shitfuckery.
How does that work? First of all, how do multiple paedophiles even find each other to form a group (math major pun)? They don't have any distinctive signs or anything, they're a very tiny minority of the general population, and it would be easy for the police to infiltrate by posing as one of them (well, okay, incompetent police forces might explain why the latter doesn't happen often enough). Second of all, why would they giving away such valuable (in black market terms) and potentially incriminating material?
I don't think that'll help a bit.
Ah, well, shit.
Besides, you'd be fucking over the people who were recorded and, you know, are still alive and aware that their abuse is saved for posterity and replayed and replayed.
If someone beats the fucking shit out of me and posts it on the internet, whether people watch it or not does not concern or affect me. Bringing the person who beat the fucking shit out of me to justice to reform, however, does.
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Anonymous2013-02-14 23:33
A list of taboo subjects by their severity:
1. antisemitism, antiglobalism: anti-abrahamism/macdonalds/hollywood ideas would be rejected outright.
2. copyright infringement: there were a few show-off processes, where some nigger got 12 years for sharing 12 mp3 files, but that is all and we all know niggers are petty criminals.
3. child porn: because even google image search respects hussyfan and R@ygold.
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Actually in many academic circles ``anti-abrahamism/macdonalds/hollywood ideas'' are quite very popular.
2. copyright infringement: there were a few show-off processes, where some nigger got 12 years for sharing 12 mp3 files, but that is all and we all know niggers are petty criminals.
I don't think you know what taboo means.
>>39
no one is stupid enough to sell CP. maybe you though.
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Anonymous2013-02-14 23:39
4. porn: sex is sill a taboo and unsafe for work. at least not for kids under 18.
5. gore: violence video games are nothing new and whole office enjoys these disemboweling and beheading videos. even 8-years old girls love watching bloody war videos on youtube.
>>39
Well, fuck, performing a cursory search suggests that some of the biggest rings were dedicated to ``swapping'' and ``sharing'' their material, but they didn't specify if for free, even if the words imply it. Either way, I don't want to have ``COOL FREE CHILD PORN'' in my search history. I do seem to recall arrests of married couples producing their stuff for these purposes only, but I don't remember the specifics as to search that.
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Anonymous2013-02-14 23:40
>>43
Taboo means that sharing some information is prohibited.
>>36 If a government's goal were to make it unprofitable for child abusers to produce and sell recordings, they could simply make available all the existing banished recordings for free.
I'm against pedo-alarmism, because it really does harken back to shit like McCarthyism, but this wouldn't work. Not only would this just explode the market share by the virtue of massive availablity, driving up the demand for more production, but a large amount of the shit that's produced is made and distributed freely (but privately) to compete who can make the hottest scene or whatnot in their little group. All of the stuff that is made with the intention of selling (which tends toward more sadistic and murderous displays as well) on the other hand is made by the jews.
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Anonymous2013-02-15 7:25
>>56
Bullshit. How would that be different than now?
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Anonymous2013-02-15 7:58
>>57
Really? Tremendous increase in ease of access and legality to the public? You don't see how that would just make the demand explode? Have I been trolled?
>>58
Everyone who wants CP can get it already. Demand would not increase. If meth was legalized, would there be a swarm of people out buying meth? No. If you want meth, you can already get it, laws be damned. Same with CP. If you are a nasty sick fuck, then you are already interested. The king's approval would not magically make normal people want to go get trashed on a CP binge.
Everyone who wants CP can get it already.
Not everyone who wants CP is you and has your extensive knowledge of where to find it, for insance I have no clue.
After hearing endlessly about how the onion network is all CP this CP that (with a bit of assassination contracting and drug trafficking on the side) from all these randoms and getting sick of the hype, I go there and I find none of that, every hidden service I tried was down (or hosting nothing but a page with that FBI macro) except for the clearnet quality torchan. After two days of hitting my head against a wall during /prog/'s downtimes I concluded whoever keeps making those claims has either never actually used the onion network, or everone else is some sort of natural divining rod to CP on tor and that's all they can stumble upon, somehow.
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Anonymous2013-02-15 20:04
>>60 Not everyone who wants CP is you and has your extensive knowledge of where to find it, for insance I have no clue.
Use Google image search.
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Anonymous2013-02-15 20:09
>>60 of natural divining rod to CP
Kind of like a gaydar?
After hearing endlessly about how the onion network is all CP this CP that (with a bit of assassination contracting and drug trafficking on the side)
People only talk about the bad parts of things. Also, hundreds of thousands of man-years of mathematics, cryptography and computer science and this is what people use the final product for? I fucking hate humans.
every hidden service I tried was down
At least freenode and duckduckgo's hidden services work. Otherwise I also use it for impromptu IRC servers as well as for when I have to remote control some retard's computer because they decided to go root and fuck with the system files and I can't access their computer directly because it's behind two firewalls and a NAT. Also tormail (or equivalent) is cool if you are disclosing ``sensitive'' information (such as security flaws in horribly-designed products) and don't want to get in trouble with the men in blue.
(or hosting nothing but a page with that FBI macro)
Really? Why do they bother setting all that up?
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Anonymous2013-02-15 20:14
If you can't find cp on tor then you don't need to be there.
The problem with current anonymizing networks is that they don't support any form of voluntary conspiracy attack against peers that break network rules, and they don't support independent networks and cryptographic identities.
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Anonymous2013-02-15 22:20
>>66
Do you know what an anonymity network is? Do you have a clue as to how they work, civil-rights-chan?
>>69
Ah, mon cher monsieur, but that's where cryptographic identities and a web-of-trust come in. By routing your traffic through people you trust (according to your web-of-trust), you can entrust those people with your anonymity. If you break network rules (by putting up over 9000 GiB of child porn), they will be the ones who will conspire to unmask you (and of course, they must all agree to unmask you at the same time for the attack to succeed). Some random stranger or a whole fleet of random strangers (i.e. the NSA or law enforcement) can't do shit about it because you don't know or trust them.
>>71
probably because Haruhi character is an underage schoolgirl.
and US law forbids any visual depiction of underage schoolgirls pron...
"child pornography" means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where?
(A) the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
(B) such visual depiction is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
(C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or
(D) such visual depiction is advertised, promoted, presented, described, or distributed in such a manner that conveys the impression that the material is or contains a visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct.
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Anonymous2013-02-27 7:45
>>72
Wait a sec. Point D specifically. If I were to say Look! This website contains a visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln
Since I described the link in such a manner that conveys the impression that the page contains a visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct, that means the Wikipedia page for Abraham Lincoln constitutes child pornography?
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Anonymous2013-02-27 7:51
The shotgun-activist-retard doesn't give a shit about civil rights. He just want to hide his child porn collection.