>>2
Good answer, any other? Do {beagle,panda}boards qualify here? I know the Raspberry π has this humongous blob that needs to run before everything else.
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Anonymous2012-11-20 11:06
>>3 {beagle,panda}board
Don't those require blobs to run the GPU? I don't know whether you can get any graphics output without that.
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Anonymous2012-11-20 11:15
There's this wonderful thing called an abacus which can help you compute tasks without any need for interactions with non-free software.
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Anonymous2012-11-20 11:45
>>5
That does not qualify as a desktop, a laptop, a motherboard, or an SoC.
>>1
You could make your own out of Microchip PICs, downside being that it will be about as fast as a 286. I'm not sure they have the required clock rate to drive a modern RAM stick, though. I'm not sure what it would take to get video output out of them, though.
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Anonymous2012-11-21 17:49
>>20 I'm not sure they have the required clock rate to drive a modern RAM stick, though.
Seriously? Do you know how many pins a DDR3 stick has?
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Anonymous2012-11-21 17:52
>>20 I'm not sure what it would take to get video output out of them, though.
Buy a Raspberry Pi and use it for graphics output for your ``secure system''.
>>27 Initial Parallella computers will be offered for $99.
More like ``a supercomputer for the 1%'', amirite?
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Anonymous2012-11-21 23:55
>>28
Back to wall street protestApple Store alternative café.
>>27
Where does it say closed-source software isn't required to drive it?
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Anonymous2012-11-22 0:04
>>29
Nowhere, I think they want to curtail your essential rights, show them the nasty end of your shotgun!
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Anonymous2012-11-22 0:26
>>30
I'll show them the nasty end of my gastrointestinal tract!
This seems interesting, though: http://cubieboard.org/
The Mali-400 GPU obviously requires binary blobs, but I read somewhere that you can still get an unaccelerated framebuffer and an otherwise perfectly functional board without them. I don't know if there are any issues regarding firmware or bootloaders, though.
>>29
All of the software and the SDK are open source, or will be in February. The hardware itself is also open source, the schematics and architecture design will be available.
>>33 The hardware itself is also open source
Technically that's not true (since they don't plan on releasing the HDL sources), but all I care about is open firmware anyway.
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Anonymous2012-11-22 11:44
>>31 I don't know if there are any issues regarding firmware or bootloaders, though.
Why don't you ask them you autistic homolord?
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Anonymous2012-11-22 14:54
JEWS like rms are the only ones who care about ``muh propootoory boot''.
>>36
Ironically, telling people to get a ``normal computer'' encourages governmental and corporate spying and control, thus tightening the grip of your hypothetical jewish conspiracy on mankind.
>>41
logic doesn't work, others have tried and failed.
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Anonymous2012-11-22 23:56
I'm not quite an rms-level nutjob, but I am privacy-conscious and it's frustrating having to explain my computing habits and preferences to people. I don't want to preach and I don't want to seem weird, but people pry and probe. When people ask why ``my Windows'' doesn't have Microsoft Word or why I don't have a Facebook, I feel as though I'm massively responsible. Like when you make someone watch a film and they hate it, you feel awkward about it even though you didn't make the film.
I doubt most of my fellow tinfoil hat-wearing OpenBSD users have friends, but for those of you do, how do you deal with all of this?
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Anonymous2012-11-23 0:30
>>43
Be hypocrite, try to make them feel good and superior. Pretend you don't know shit. Your Windows doesn't have a Microsoft Word because it's a cheaper and dumber Windows. You don't have a facebook because you don't know how to open an account.
Ask them questions. "Wow, you're telling me that you can speak to anybody with your facebook? You got to show me that sometimes."
They already think you're an idiot. It's easy.
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Anonymous2012-11-23 0:34
>>43 I'm not quite an rms-level nutjob
What do you have against RMS' positions (not him as a toejam-munching individual)?
how do you deal with all of this?
If your friends have a few hours to waste, then you may do a short presentation on your computing habits and choices.
- Give a few examples of abuses of power by ``nice and democratic'' governments and their security agencies, then use that to ``prove'' the need for the right to privacy.
- Give a few examples of abuses of power by corporations in the field of software.
- Explain how a string of bytes shorter than this phrase can compromise the security of a computer, then use that to ``prove'' the inherent unsafety of closed-source software.
- Explain how privacy in the digital world is impossible without computer security.
>>57
What does giving a shit have to do with individual privacy and abuses on power and privacy by corporations and governments. Shit and these subjects are completely unrelated.
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dadadodo2012-11-24 0:23
>>58
What does giving a shit have to do with individual privacy and abuses on power and privacy and abuses on power and privacy and privacy and privacy and privacy and privacy and privacy and abuses on power and privacy and abuses on power and privacy and have to do with individual privacy and privacy and privacy and privacy and governments: a shit have to do with individual privacy and privacy and governments. What does giving a shit have to do with individual privacy and privacy and governments.
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Anonymous2012-11-24 1:30
I'm pretty sure (beagle|panda)board's SPL is open source. Except it's 3x more expensive than the Cubieboard.
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Anonymous2012-11-24 2:13
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Anonymous2012-11-24 5:33
>>28
Cost less than your friggin' iPhone or Macbook.
>>77
Usually, the first stage is tiny and it is burned onto the SoC's ROM. Its purpose is to initialize the SD card (and/or NAND flash) and read the second stage from it. Since it's not user-replaceable and does not cause security or privacy issues, it is kosher even by GNU standards.
>>5
I think the point here is less about free vs non-free and more about easy-to-audit vs hard-to-audit. A typical x86 700K BIOS will be a lot harder to audit than, say, the tiny 32K bootloader ROM in one of those ARM toy boards.
>>119
Therefore, at least one of the following applies:
- You disagree with freedom of speech.
- You disagree with the right to privacy.
- You disagree with the right to cryptography as a natural transposition of the right to privacy and to secrecy of correspondance in the digital world.
- You disagree with the consumer's right to receive specifications to the hardware they buy.
- You don't like me because I'm an annoying faggot.
If it's the last, then too bad for you 'cause I'm just going to get more annoying over time.
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Anonymous2012-11-27 14:08
>>121
But I don't disagree with anything and I like annoying old faggots, dozy old git!
>>121
Mocking someone whose only words in his vocabulary are ``mocking'', ``curtail'', ``civil rights'' and ``shotgun'' makes me disagree with freedom of speech?
Fuck off back to Reddit, repetitive shitstain.
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Anonymous2012-11-27 16:18
>>123
No thanks. I have the right to use as few words as I wish, fagshit.
>>132
I told the Lemote guy there was nothing to wait for. I told him the very first time he mentioned that shit. He wouldn't listen to me and just went batshit insane. I'm sick of being always right.
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Anonymous2012-11-29 8:38
>>133
You didn't say anything about closed-source AMD VGA bioses.
>>142
This is why I come to Prague. The subtle multi-layered aroma of trolling at its finest, with just a hint of butter.
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Anonymous2012-12-01 11:33
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Anonymous2012-12-01 16:40
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>>149
Thanks. should I be using NiMH or Li-Ion batteries? I can't seem to find any easy-to-use Li-Ion 18650 cell controller boards. OTOH, NiMH cells hold less capacity.
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Anonymous2012-12-06 15:41
>>150
lithium cells have less discharge cycles than new nimh cells (eg from sanyo or gp). but yeah, they're a lot lighter.
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Anonymous2012-12-14 1:25
NICKEL–METAL HYDRIDE MASTER RACE
enjoy your randomly-exploding fast-decaying lithium-ion bombs, faggots
>>166
Yep, and we non-niggers can't buy that. Too bad, it's excellent.
- coreboot
- amazing display (between e-ink and lcd, you can read outside)
- you can charge it with absolutely anything. DC, AC, any voltage, it will charge.
>>174
I actually just want something I can comfortably read/write text (and code) on, colour not required. IIRC the kindle screen has a really crappy refresh, but I don't really mind.
>>178
Don't those require wacky custom interfaces to drive? Get ready to write some fucking low-level drivers for the GPIO pins on your dev board.
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Anonymous2013-01-17 17:03
>>181
That's why you buy a controller chip with a standard bus interface and built-in waveform memory and thermal correction.
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Anonymous2013-01-17 17:12
>>182 controller chip
Don't those require wacky custom interfaces protocols to drive? Get ready to write some fucking low-level drivers for the GPIO $bus_interface pins on your dev board.
>>196
Putting aside that ``the Arduino'' isn't a thing, you can't meaningfully compare different processor architectures like that.
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Anonymous2013-01-28 9:27
>>197
Yes, you're right, I just meant from a general-purpose-computation point of view.
I read about people connecting their AVRs to DRAM chips but apparently the manual refresh takes up about 10% CPU power. Maybe I could use a second AVR to do that? Maybe I could use the second AVR as a system bus and memory cache as well. Although 8 KiB isn't a lot. Also, I'm not sure about the extra latency involved in memory accesses.
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Anonymous2013-01-28 13:59
>>20,194-198
PIC, AVR and 6502 are in a much slower class of hardware. An FPGA would be much faster and more extensible.
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Anonymous2013-01-28 14:26
>>198
Switch the design to use SRAM instead of adding a second processor for memory refresh.
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Anonymous2013-01-28 16:24
>>199
How about this?
- they're expensive
- you can't use them without bullshit crapware; even if you generate a netlist with your own tools, you still don't have the specs required to bake the bitstream
- have I mentioned they're expensive?
- they're not cheap
>>200
Okay, where do I find a decently large (~1MiB) SRAM chip?
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Anonymous2013-01-28 16:46
Don't call me a foggot or any thing but is i7 equlent to duel core 2 quard?
Motherfucker. Now I have to sift through over 9k pages of shit code to make sure the chinks didn't backdoor their fork of the linux kernel. And apparently the code is so terrible the kernel devs wouldn't let it enter mainline.
I hate humans.
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Anonymous2013-02-17 23:43
>>211
Is that hyperbole or are serious about the chinese writing 9k pages of code?
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Anonymous2013-02-18 0:12
>>212
I haven't actually computed the amount of code I'd have to audit. I think I'm just going to step back and wait till someone puts some lipstick on the pig so it can hit mainline.
On another note, how come nobody ever wrote any toy OSes for ARM?
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Anonymous2013-02-18 0:20
>>213 how come nobody ever wrote any toy OSes for ARM?
Probably because they're either locked down (cell phone/gaming device) or not popular enough. Raspberry Pi's about to change all that (hopefully).
>>214
I really hope the Plan 9 ARM port takes off instead of RISC OS.
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Anonymous2013-02-18 0:27
>>214 Raspberry Pi
RPi has a massive and questionable binary blob that has to run before anything else. I'd rather look at {Panda,Beagle,Cubie}board instead.
Probably because they're either locked down (cell phone/gaming device) or not popular enough.
You'd be surprised, but a lot of them aren't locked down. It's just that documentation is virtually non-existent and there's hundreds of stupid quirks and workarounds for every single fucking device.
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Anonymous2013-02-18 0:54
>>216
Stick it on a chip and call it ``microcode.'' It works for Intel and AMD.
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Anonymous2013-02-18 1:46
>>217
x86 microcode isn't over a megabyte heavy. Also IHBT.
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Anonymous2013-03-25 20:19
Parallella master race.
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Anonymous2013-03-25 21:51
ARM-based R$40-100 pseudo-computers
Unfortunatelly, I live in Uganda and cannot afford to spend so much for so little. x86 still packs more power and power/buck and power/watt.
>>220
You might want to be a little less obvious with your trolling.
Intel doesn't bother with anti-ARM propaganda in places like Uganda, so no one who lives there would really believe a bald-faced lie like that.
Killing all Jews would prove that God doesn't exist, because God sworn to protect and help kikes to defeat goyim. So death of Jews proves that no God helps them, meaning there is no God.
>>231
Do I look like a Jew? I'm not one, I'm a proud white American.
Are you a Muslim? You look like one, you resentful sandnigger.
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Anonymous2013-03-26 14:39
>>229
Hashem spoke to Moshe, saying, "Speak to Aharon and to his sons, saying: 'This is how you shall bless B'nei Yisroel, saying to them: May Hashem bless you and protect you. May Hashem cause His countenance to shine upon you and favor you. May Hashem lift His face to you, and grant you shalom.' They shall bestow My Name upon B'nei Yisroel, and I will bless them." Numbers 6:22-27
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Anonymous2013-03-26 14:39
>>232
Hashem spoke to Moshe, saying, "Speak to Aharon and to his sons, saying: 'This is how you shall bless B'nei Yisroel, saying to them: May Hashem bless you and protect you. May Hashem cause His countenance to shine upon you and favor you. May Hashem lift His face to you, and grant you shalom.' They shall bestow My Name upon B'nei Yisroel, and I will bless them." Numbers 6:22-27
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Anonymous2013-03-26 14:53
>>233-234
I LOVE JEW! I LOVE JEWR POSTS!I'VE READ THEM 5 TIMES!PLEASE POST MORE!
I LOVE JEWS!
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Anonymous2013-03-26 19:05
>>235
I thought you stopped loving jews when you found out they killed dmr and his child?
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Anonymous2013-03-26 19:43
>>236 they killed dmr and his child[citation needed]
I never stopped loving JEWS.
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Anonymous2013-03-27 3:22
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Anonymous2013-05-16 14:37
Adapteva's Parallella sounds promising. Let's see how many years it takes for their kernel tree to get in mainline. Anyone willing to place bets on whether it will happen before Cubieboard's does?
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Anonymous2013-05-16 20:03
>>239
cubieboard is chink shit, so it'll never hit mainline. i dunno about paralella.
I find it very ironic that tinfoil can actually provide adequate passive defence for electronic equipment against strong electromagnetic events (such as EMPs or solar flares).