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Who is John Galt?

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 2:02

Have you read your Atlas Shrugged today?

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 2:22

Alice Rosenbaum is Jewish.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 2:24

>>2
Also, she comes from Jewish nobility, because Germans sold the cute surnames like "Rosenbaum" (Rose Bush) for a fee.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 2:26

>>3
So if you were broke, you could end up being "sheisskopf"?

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 2:32

>>4
Sheisskopfman

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 2:38

>>4
Dunno, but most Jews purchased "Goldberg.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 2:50

>>3
Reminds me of Death Note, where the FBI agent's had ridiculous names like `Appleflower' and stuff.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 2:51

>>3-6
[citation needed]

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 2:53

no. the whole of computing is a pretty good counter argument to ayn's rand philosophy.

1.open source has increased the utility and value of computers a thousand times over and it is done for free, without any expectation of reward, out of a love of programming.

2. Software developers tend to be disproportionately against patents and IP. There is pretty big evidence that IP stifles progress.

3. Intuition and Aesthetics are valued over reason and objective analysis. Good software falls out of simplicity, and well chosen abstractions, rather than rigorous proofs.

4. Romanticism and ideals are universally shunned in favor of getting shit done.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 3:18

>>9

The only thing gained from the absence of rigorous proofs is faulty software. But nobody cares because people are used to a continuous stream of exploits followed by patches. Just because everyone thinks it's ok doesn't mean it's ok. It only means the standards for quality are too low to justify achievable perfection.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 3:31

this is the sound of paul ayn ryan being brutally sodomized by joe ``joltin'" biden on national television

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 22:02

>>1
Currently reading it. Just under half way. The other day found it on Wikipedia's page for largest novels.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 22:30

1.open source has increased the utility and value of computers a thousand times over and it is done for free, without any expectation of reward, out of a love of programming.
I expect (and get) plenty of reward for open-sourcing several pieces of software that I wrote for my own use, in the form of free testing and occasional code contributions.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 23:03

>>1
Is anyone even able to read that book in one day?

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 23:06

>>10
show me one useful program that used formal proofs. Even space shuttle software doesn't use formal testing and no one ever will because it only applies to proof like programs. The most perfect bugless programs like qmail have no proofs and barely any tests.

In math, proofs are communication, not thought. Papert interviewed the world's best mathematicians and physicists and all but 5 favored intuition and feeling the ideas in their body over syntactic manipulation and analysis.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 23:14

Ayn Rand did well in establishing an objective metaphysics for her philosophy, but then made the grave error in attempting to label the rest of her philosophy as therefore also objective, which it is not. The problem hinges on her theory of mind. The advances made within the cognitive sciences over the years are at odds with Ayn Rand’s ideas of human consciousness.

Namely, Rand rejected the Kantian dichotomy between form and object, or map and territory, which we now know to be true. The human mind thus far appears to abide by the innate limitations described by Universal Computation, and given it’s finite structure it is only able to approximate a subset of all of objective reality in producing a mental model. Human ideas, arising from a complex interplay between underlying physical laws manifested in the material brain–embedded within and occupying a finite subset of our Universe–are subjective in the sense that they are quite obviously not a direct isomorphism to the totality of reality. Any human thought process can never be proven to be a consistent description of any greater underlying process governing a part of or all of reality, by Gödel’s incompleteness theorems.

Rand believed that because we exist within an objective reality, her thoughts must therefore also be objective, when in truth they were merely subjective approximations. She neglected the fact that we are embedded inside of reality, emergent from its underlying processes. Thus the individual must be considered in relationship to the whole in establishing a theory of mind that is conceptually more accurate.

The rest of her philosophy concerning economics, politics, and aesthetics thus collapses. By what authority, if her thoughts are not objective, does she claim to know what will be best or good for the freedoms of the individual of all of humanity today and into the future? And is that goal necessarily a good one? In order to answer that, one must be capable of fully simulating all possible paths our Universe can take from the present and selecting the best one, using some definition of “good.” It’s not possible.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 23:17

She was a junior college-tier philosopher. Oversimplified everything.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 23:21

>>15
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_verification
As of 2011, several operating systems have been formally verified: NICTA's Secure Embedded L4 microkernel, sold commercially as seL4 by OK Labs; OSEK/VDX based real-time operating system ORIENTAIS by East China Normal University; Green Hills Software's Integrity operating system; and SYSGO's PikeOS.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 23:23

>>18
You forgot your "Posted from my iPhone."

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 23:30

>>15
I don't know of any that use proofs that you would care about, but I don't know the ins and outs of how every program around was developed. But I could instead show you some mission critical programs where people died because of faulty software. If there are tools available that can catch these mistakes, and if all you have to do is apply them, and you don't, then that is negligence.

And discovering a proof and proof verification are two distinct things. The tool would only need to verify the proof of correctness of the program.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 23:43

>>16

fuck off moral nihilist scum, your beliefs aren't practical

fucking atheist sociopaths are the worse

MUH SCIENCE

godel was christfag, deal with it atheist

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-12 23:53

>>21
But I'm not an atheist, I'm a deist. Ayn Rand, whom you are defending, was an atheist and self-hating nihilist, who out of cognitive dissonance, constructed a selfish fantasy world that elevated the individual and promoted it as its grand morality.

Why am I even replying to you? Oh wait, ihbt.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 0:10

A NIGGER!

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 0:16

>>22

okay then you are determinist relativist scum

in your reality, how is being selfish objectively bad?

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 0:32

>>21
Gödel was an atheist. His incompleteness theorems don't have anything to do with anything and >>16 is (quoting) an idiot, obviously, but he did formally reformulate the ontological argument, which has led ``sophisticated'' Christians to claim him.
What they're missing is that his effort was motivated by a desire to show it to be logical nonsense, not to prove God exists. When he found the argument was valid he became depressed, but he never converted. And why would he, after all? The ontological argument isn't an argument for the Christian god specifically.

(Why he didn't realise the premises are absurd is a different matter.)

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 0:50

>>25
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_G%C3%B6del#Religious_views
http://io9.com/5805775/proof-of-the-existence-of-god-set-down-on-paper

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 1:14

>>25
Isn't it ironic that he has the word ``God'' is his name. Well, it's actually ``Göd'' but Americans can't tell the difference.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 2:56

>>24
Yes, I am a determinist and a relativist, but I'm not a subjectivist. I am a constructivist and I do have a strong objective principle that elevates the notions of difference, hierarchy, and strength as morally desirable traits. After all, difference is what underlies an objective computational metaphysics. If there is no such thing as difference, there can be no existence at all. One must possess strength to overcome great odds or a cunning enemy, to rise within a hierarchy, to differentiate oneself from the rest.

>in your reality
You mean our reality?

>how is being selfish objectively bad?
First, you need to define bad. I'll define it with an example. The extinction of the human race and all life originating from the planet Earth is bad. How than can the selfishness inherent in Ayn Rand's Objectivism as manifested in Libertarianism be bad?

If all humans followed Randian Objectivist and Libertarian ideals, and focused only on the short-term personal happiness  for themselves within their lifespans, and didn't care too much about the future generations, what would drive them to sacrifice their personal liberty to cooperate in a collective effort to counter some existential threat, such as a future asteroid impact that would wipe out all life on Earth? Or the death of our sun? What then will have been our purpose? Do we only exist so that people can consume material goods from the free market until the sun dies, or the Universe winds down in an entropic heat death, and protons begin their decay?

And please don't say that the free market will be able to "fix it," able to reverse entropy.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 4:59

>>28
I'm not a subjectivist.
Shalom, Hymie! The like of you, objectivist filth, establish all the worst totalitarian regimes.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 5:49

>>28
Do we only exist so that people can consume material goods from the free market until the sun dies, or the Universe winds down in an entropic heat death, and protons begin their decay?
So you want to establish a totalitarian regime to limit resource consumption? You remind me of these "Global Warming" freaks, trying to subvert our economy into central planning. These freaks also plan to introduce strict birth-control - your wife will have to get license, before giving birth, and you will require license to program computers (else you can create a virus, or even worse - a genetic virus).

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 6:13

>>30
Not that poster, but those are excellent ideas. Anthropogenic climate chance is real. Frankly it's too late to turn back; the damage has been done, and we'll all suffer the consequences. Attitudes toward the environment must be changed the only way possible, by force. The world human population is well above carrying capacity (around 2 bn). People need to be sterilized en masse, starting with the genetic deadweights (e.g., fat people, retards, dimwits). Your ``rights'' have nothing to do with this--they derive from and exist only in the minds of Christian-inspired politicians. Don't you think the long-term survival of our species is more important than your momentary convenience?

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 7:02

>>31
"Il est vivant, il reste à la barre. Il a si bien devancé la mort que nous pouvons marcher longtemps sur la voie qu'il a jalonnée. Il n'a pas disparu dans le passé. Il s'est enfoncé dans l'avenir."

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 7:04

je le suis le french

Name: The Union 2012-10-13 8:09

>>28
Its called an Oligarchy.
E pluribus unum

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 11:01

>>32-33
Back to le Reddit, ``please''!

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 17:24

>>31
Your ``rights'' have nothing to do with this--they derive from and exist only in the minds of Christian-inspired politicians.
Fuck you, faggot.  What's next, my rights to privacy and cryptography are just made-up human inventions and are thus invalid?  Die in a fire.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 17:57

>>36
Rights are for lowly, weak-willed, failed men and women.

Duty to fight for one's place in the world and protect himself, his family and tribe are for righteous men of strength and truth.

Over the course of a couple of decades, the liberalism that has plagued the world will finally evaporate, leaving behind the ruins of democracy, socialism, capitalism, communism, egalitarianism, and materialism. From the ashes, the survivors who were hardier than the rest will emerge to build a new civilization based upon righteous and upwardly principles.

The process has already started. World War 3 nears and a global financial collapse beckons. We are in the midst of the collapse of the West, the collapse of democracy, the collapse of liberalism, the collapse of your "rights." We are in the midst of the Kali Yuga, we are in the eye of this storm.

Soon, the starving masses will flock to the streets looking for someone to save them, but they will only find death as they wonder where their rights have gone. You will likely be among them.

Our ancestors will look back at our civilization now as if we are a sickly nihilistic people bent on materialistic depravity, mindless entertainment, without purpose, and indentured servitude to corrupt government institutions that promise the masses "rights."

But you have been warned. Perhaps you have time to harden yourself and prepare to survive the worst. Do you possess the will to do so? Or will you fall back on your "rights" which you think will save you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVoCKLyt2uw

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 18:22

>>37
Of course I won't. I will ride the ruins of the vile state-controlled highways and become a Road Warrior like you.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 18:28

>>26
One of the sources in the Wikipedia article is flat-out wrong. The other is misrepresented.
What a fucking surprise, Wikipedophiles lying for theism.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 18:29

>>37
Duty to fight for one's place in the world and protect himself, his family and tribe are for righteous men of strength and truth.
Nice sexism, dipshit.  Also, fuck you for promoting tribalism and racism.

materialistic depravity, mindless entertainment
It's my right to do whatever the fuck I want, faggot.  If you don't like what's going on in my computer, my backyard, or in my bedroom, well tough shit for you, motherfucker.  You remind me of the pieces of shit that showed up (trespassing on my property in the process) a few months ago, and told me that I need a bunch of paperwork to keep chicken.

Or will you fall back on your "rights" which you think will save you?
Oh no, don't worry, if the police starts not doing its job and you start getting in my fucking way, I will shoot you in the fucking mouth no questions asked.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 18:49

>>40
fuck you for promoting tribalism and racism.
Shalom!

It's my right
Shalom!

to do whatever the fuck I want,
Shalom!

trespassing on my property in the process
Shalom!

I will shoot you in the fucking mouth no questions asked
Shalom!

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 19:03

>>40
>Nice sexism, dipshit.  Also, fuck you for promoting tribalism and racism.
Feminism, anti-racism, multiculturalism, LGBT liberation, and other facets of egalitarianism are/were the products of the Jewish Neo-Marxist think-tank known as the Frankfurt School.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ScVv5PukA

They are all based upon the subjective and axiomatic assumption of "equality" being the highest moral, without actually being able to explain why. These movements, just like the core tenants of Marxism or Judeo-Christianity, all deny nature and so their only accomplishment has been to destroy society. They are the root causes of today's societal degeneration.

And here you are still defending them. You will be a causality in the coming turmoil, cannon fodder for the war, a domesticated herd animal lead to the ritual slaughter--that I can guarantee. You are too blinded to save yourself.

>It's my right to do whatever the fuck I want, faggot.  If you don't like what's going on in my computer, my backyard, or in my bedroom, well tough shit for you, motherfucker.  You remind me of the pieces of shit that showed up (trespassing on my property in the process) a few months ago, and told me that I need a bunch of paperwork to keep chicken.

How did you deal with the government officials trespassing on your property? Did you show them the end of your shotgun, or did argue passively and concede to their demands? If the former, than you actually fought for your rights. If the later, than what good did your perceived and non-existent rights do to protect your chicken coop from government extortion?

Where do rights come from? Rights don't exist except in the minds of men. Only might makes right. You have just proven my points.

Also, if you act like a pretentious, entitled and overly emotional degenerate in the future, you will be challenged in a duel to the death, or imprisoned, or killed on the spot unless you fight back.

People such as yourself will again learn to have manners.

>Oh no, don't worry, if the police starts not doing its job and you start getting in my fucking way, I will shoot you in the fucking mouth no questions asked.

That's exactly what I'm getting at. You have a duty to fight for your place in the world, and if you do not rise up to that challenge, you will fall by the way side and perish. Your rights won't save you in the end.

You are in the midst of some cognitive dissonance, defending that which you already accept don't exist.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 19:07

>>42
back to /le new/

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 19:18

>>43
Actually, I'm a regular /prog/rider. I've just been too lazy to properly quote, I must admit. My bad.

As proof of passage, I offer you
my ability to correctly multiline quote.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 21:05

>>44
Using overlines for multiline quotes
is skiddie bullshit.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 21:36

Thread has been derailed into anti-Semitism.

Sorry, folks. I'm shutting this one down.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-13 21:36

Mohammad is a liar and a pedophile

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>>42
And why, future tribal chieftain, is it that hierarchy and domination are good things? Why are we suddenly talking about ``cunning enemies'' of all things? Where do you even make them, personally?

I don't see the problem with rights, really. That they have to be created and enforced by pressure or force does not necessarily invalidate them, I don't see the core of your argument against them, save for believing that civilization will fall and it will be every man and his shotgun. Even if that happened, and neither the first nor the former have to come, when the dust settles, people will still want assurances and justice, and rights will form again, as they have been created in one way or another throughout history.

And I'd be curious to know what your problems are with LGBT liberation and rights are, as well as with feminism.

Rude sage. This thread is off-topic and I'm talking to a proto-Nazi of a sort.

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