Why Java?

I'd like to know anonymous' opinion about Java. I'm quite pissed off, since there's Java everywhere, even when Java's portability and aims are useless. As you may have understood, I'm not totally fine with it.

>>1
As you may have understood, I'm not totally fine with it.
Lol. You'll fit in just fine here.

At least it's better than Sepples.

>>3
Are you sure about it? I'm not talking about the language, I'm talking about the goddamn vm, never totally sinchronized with the underlying operating system.

it just works

It's a mature write once run everywhere platform. If it had proper tail call recursion optimization, I'd switch to it in a heartbeat.

>>5
This is a good point. When you have to achieve an objective you should follow the quickest way to do it. The good programmer is the one who sets aside his pride and uses what speeds the work up.

It's ENTERPRISE QUALITY.

>>6
TCO would make me consider java momentarily. The LOL EVERYTHING IS AN OBJECT (except for ...) mentality of the language is really irritating.

>>9
That mentality is somewhat of a nuisance. Sometimes there are things that are not objects, but rather, actions that are not tied specifically to a single object.

For example, a swap function - in the sense that it marshals data between two similar but unrelated objects. This belongs to neither object, nor is an object itself.

>>10
It sounds to me that you need to rework on your existing design if you get issues like that. Of course, maybe I'm not understanding you.

>>10 An object is a forced combination of functions. All objects restrict access to their internals and abstractize the functions they possess to the outside world, instead of reusing functions and variables, programmers with objects segment code into "encapsulated" self-contained chunks in futile hope it will make their code better or more "organized".



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>>12
Believe it or not the object-oriented paradigm is suited to some problems. Unless you ask Sun, in which case it is suited to all problems, except problems dealing with 32-bit integers and ASCII.

>>12
An object is a forced combination of functions.
No.

All objects restrict access to their internals
No.

>>13
Believe it or not the object-oriented paradigm is suited to some problems.
Example: Any sort of simulation of the real world.

>>13 Also such minor things as drivers, boot loaders, interrupts, memory managers and anything below Java software layer. Remind me why does JNI exists?



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>>14 counterexample: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus



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>>16
How is that a counterexample?

>>17 It shows how reification limits our worldview.

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>>5
Except when it doesn't, which is far more often than Java faggots will admit (or even know about; nobody who has a lot of experience with Java will defend it).

>>6
You know what else is a mature write once run everywhere platform? Every other modern programming language, and quite a lot of not-so-modern ones.

>>15
Cars can't make toast. This is not a design flaw.

>>20
Certain parts of a car get sufficiently hot to produce toast.

>>21
Like my bumper sticker says ``If you think my car is hot, you should see my cdr!''

>>19
I can't just drop a compiled object (and associated libraries) onto a foreign platform and expect it to work. With a JVM, I have a standard platform to target. I can be reasonably confident that my compiled object will run without recompilation (or retranslation).