Okay, let me start with this: FUCK. REDDIT. I really hate that faggot site and
its users. It's really bad and we need to find a solution for it. There's a
steaming pile of shit coming from that webshite, and it certainly isn't just
trolls. It's retards. Redditards, poluting our lovely /prog/. Through the text
I'll use "reddit" but I mean "programming.reddit.com" and not the whole reddit
community, which while still full of BS not relevant to /prog/'s polution.
THE(IR) PROBLEM
If you have an account at reddit or even browse it, and you're not a redditard
yourself you know what I'm talking about; Fucking idiots overusing internet
memes, exactly like what the xkcd faggot does. Doing so, they believe they
belong in some "elite" community of computer experts that like esoteric jokes.
You should understand their mental state by now: "I can't fucking program but I
might make esoteric jokes that apparently computer experts like and maybe, just
maybe others will think I'm an expert myself!". Fucking morons. If one takes a
moment from his day to browse reddit, might like the topics. Let's see what we
got: "How to * with Python *", "A simple * with *", "* in 10 steps", "*: the
revolutionary blog/software/other", "Using * for fun & profit". One might think,
"ah, a nice community. I'll stay a while with them". The other day wakes up only
to find the same topics with changed blog links and titles. If you don't believe
me try it yourself. (yeah, ofcourse there are the retarded "points too, how
could a faggot community live without them? Look: wikipedia, digg, ..)
WHY /prog/ SUCKS
It wasn't long ago that reddit faggots weren't aware of /prog/. I believe, 4-5
months ago /prog/ was clean of all the faggotry & spam. Back then a thread could
make your day, and everyone was contributing content, which ofcourse lead to
funny memes et al, unlike all these self-proclaimed "memes". (notice any simile
with the redditards? self proclaimed computer experts & funny or some shit) If
you are not a /prog/ regular or oldie you might have not noticed, you might
think that it's been like that from the beginning. But it wasn't. Even worse,
you might think that these posts are from trolls, but they are not. Ok, maybe
some are, but trolls are not retarded (as some may think). I'm a big time troll
and I don't think most of you understand trolling.
THE SOLUTION
Okay, now that I bothered you with my text, I'm all ears to see what you got to
say about this issue. I cannot think of a solution to get rid of faggots, but I
don't want to see /prog/ become a cesspool like reddit. I wish the old expert
programmers would come back..
Excuse the lack of bbcode in my post but I have to haste.
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Anonymous2008-03-15 1:15
Since all these 2005 threads have been being bumped up to the frontpage (thanks anonymous) I've been really seeing how great [/spoiler]/prog[/spoiler] was a while ago.
Excuse me, I need to go spam LISP now.
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Anonymous2008-03-15 2:04
M-x butterfly
lol
amibeingfunnay?
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Anonymous2008-03-15 2:18
1.
Using Uninitialized Memory for Fun and Profit (research.swtch.com)
234 points posted 16 hours ago by rsc 29 comments
2.
5 more essentials for your programming toolbox (spiteful.com)
35 points posted 8 hours ago by davidhasselh0f 3 comments
3.
How we improved performance on Google Code (google-code-updates.blogspot.com)
10 points posted 4 hours ago by llimllib 1 comment
4.
Tree Lists as a Default List Data Structure (hackerdashery.com)
18 points posted 8 hours ago by davidhasselh0f 5 comments
5.
"Even though I am asking you for help, I am still smarter than you!" (weblogs.sqlteam.com)
63 points posted 16 hours ago by mrmonkey 61 comments
I THINK OP IS ONTO SOMETHING
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Anonymous2008-03-15 2:38
You know /prog/ is doing better than the rest of 4chan when you have to complain about an influx of users from Reddit, of all places.
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Anonymous2008-03-15 3:09
>>2
The LISP spam is so bad I believe it drives the redditfags away. >>5
I'm curious, do you even browse the rest of 4chan? I mean, aside from /b/, it
actually has decent boards and discussions.
Regardless, my torrent download finished, I'll watch a movie. I don't expect
much to come from this thread, other than perhaps self realization from the
reddit fags, and more quality content from the regulars. lol.
P.S. I'm thinking about writing some code to get /prog/ interested in. Maybe
some common lisp SDL game or .. I don't know. Awesome stuff can happend if I
maek it scalable enough (barfed a bit while typing "scalable") and easy for
non-technical people to use it, other 4chan boards might get interested, if you
want to see what I have in mind check MUGEN for example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUGEN
Summary of the link: It's a 2D fighting game with 1 fighter and 1 map. It allows
scripting and to create characters, their moves et cetera. It might look boring
in the wikipedia screenshot but it can actually be exactly like street fighter,
or other 2D fighting games, just by adding the maps, characters, moves and
sound. Maybe I could write a 2D game like super mario, and instead of scripting
have an external editor (or something similar) to create maps, and have bitmaps
for every enemy. (and option to add more enemies & bitmaps). Are you following
me? Do you have some other idea? By the way, I'm open to languages, if common
lisp is not your liking. And ofcourse I will provide some working code before I
ask for contribution from /prog/.
I mean, aside from /b/, it
actually has decent boards and discussions.
Like /g/, amirite?
Most of 4chan is worthless filler (/n/? /o/?), weeaboo faggotry, or on the level of /pr/.
I miss the old /a/. I supported the split, but instead of /do/ - Doujin, /vn/ - Visual novels & Eroges or /aa/ - Anime alternative, moot had to fucking call the offtopic board /jp/ - Japan/General. This attracted hordes of "I WANT TO BE JAPANESE" weeaboo faggots. It won't be long until people who don't know the story behind /jp/'s creation become the majority and the entire board will turn into an Asian worksafe version of /s/.
You know what? I love /prog/ memes, and I love the /prog/ from a few months ago.
Old /prog/ (2005) was a like any programming forum. Don't try to get it back, you >>6 - just focus on, uhm, well, hating proggit.
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Anonymous2008-03-16 12:04
>>8
Why? Talking about it is no harm when half the users are from the damn site at
this moment. Ignoring the issue won't do any good either, they'll keep coming
until you can smell the stink of /prog/ from your monitor.
>>10
That's correct, are you implying I am trolling with these posts too? If that's
the case you are entering a world of pain and insanity my friend, because the
more you will think about me trolling the more you will meta-troll yourself.
You'll end up a mumbling bum in the streets. Don't Do That. I've been there
myself and it's not pretty. Just consider the possibility my posts are genuine
and reply with genuine posts -- that way you are saved.
>>17
I'm not sure how this is related to the current discussion, but yeah, I miss
things too. It sucks when you don't do something about it.
>>22
I am not particularly fond of the quality of the posts around 2005 in /prog/. It
certainly was not me who mentioned that year. You said it yourself: you liked
/prog/ some months ago, including the memes. Well, my friend, the same applies
for me, I never said I didn't like them. I said I don't like all the posts I see
now. Nor the supposed "memes". Take the "tuna fish" meme. To begin with, it's
not even a meme. A meme is a funny catchphrase that you can actually use
somewhere in a funny way. Tuna fish was never funny. The proof that only morons
like it is that it is mentioned in the book "Expert C Programming: Deep C
Secrets" by Peter van der Linden. That guy is a shithead and the book is amateur
stuff. It's not even focused in ISO C, nor reveals any.. deep secrets. But
ofcourse it gets worse. /prog/ sucks at the moment. Bitching might not fix
anything but I feel bad if I don't type my thoughts. I also feel better when I
see there are others who share the same views on the issue. So, what I am trying
to get at here is that I liked /prog/ from a few months ago too; But that /prog/
has nothing to do with the current /prog/ and the same could be said about my
feelings towards it. I'm not trying to bring anything back. Past is past and
nobody can bring it back, I only hope with this thread to motivate perhaps some
posters to post quality content and also make these faggots think before sending
their text to the 4chan server.
you >>6 - just focus on, uhm, well, hating proggit.
I don't know about that, I was thinking about making that SDL game, but
currently I'm writing an implementation of a (well, butchered) standard C
library for some microcontroller. I get certain annoying bugs and you can
imagine the specs (or shall I say, the lack of) are not helping. At all.
I will get back to you guys. Adieu.
Ok, we have to do something. There are no mods in /prog/, and the nature of shiichan allows, uhm, trolls to enter. Of course trolls are not a problem for us, but redditfags.
Hello, I am learning the EMACS calculator right now. Soon I will master it and I will be spamming it so it becomes a meme, just like the artist-mode meme, which I invented. Please be prepared. Thank you for your cooperation.
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Anonymous2008-03-16 16:36
Sayonara, /prog/. It's time to say goodbye.
My time wandering through /prog/ was enjoyable, but ultimately fruitless. I believe have found perspective. Perhaps it was The Sussman's chilling warning on the effects of this culture. Perhaps it was the untimely death of ``LISP [PART IV]'', for which I had great expectations, or the failure of Part V. Perhaps it was that ginger twat, who taunts us with SICP.
I have taken the first step already. The BBcode nonsense seen so often here only serves to propagate the lackadaisical attitude I myself once displayed. I eschew it; that I may find reason and restore meaningfulness.
I cannot achieve Satori by standing idly, nor by spamming LISP; it is only through the search for knowledge and understanding that I will grow into a respectable scientist. I must leave this corner of the world I have become so accustomed to, and explore; return to my roots.
I must make something of my life so that I may one day return and share my wisdom. I urge you all to do the same, to cultivate your inner scientist, for without science we are nothing. Perhaps when I return, we can share our stories.
Goodbye, /prog/. Goodbye, 4chan.
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Anonymous2008-03-16 16:48
>>34
I think I'm crying for the first time while reading /prog/.
Look at the front page. What do you see? Some help threads, some spam threads, some memes, some trolling. Not a single discussion. Not a single thread that will make you think before replying. Most of us don't know any language besides Scheme; but maybe knowing Scheme should be considered a great achievement, since ¼ of us can not program at all? They're here for the memes, the very memes we have harvested, the ones that now thrive on the rich soil provided by spamming and trolling. All potential is thwarted even before it has the opportunity to unfold. Recall countless threads that have been meme-spammed. Good threads they were, something was glittering behind the wave of repeated slogans. But it is always shadowed by the massive amounts of the catch-phrases.
Wake up /prog/, BBCode will not get you a job! Scheme will not get you a job! We achieve absolutely nothing by contributing to this board. Nothing creative, nothing of useful value is conceived in the chaotic entrails of this lax part of the programming communities. Our little kingdom has been frowned upon by the very one we admire; what is left for us to do? Why, oh why cannot you see that this approach is, in fact, unscientific and ultimately destructive? Why cannot you cease the endless repetition of one phrase? Shed the coat of stereotypes and think for yourself instead of scorning Python every time it is mentioned? Provide actual arguments in the few discussions? It is not something hard, people follow this behaviour and enjoy their communities just like us, plus they add productive value, something we are lacking.
Open your eyes, /prog/.
Think.
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Anonymous2008-03-16 17:18
I have opened my third eye.
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Anonymous2008-03-16 17:25
>>37
Our memes are shibboleths. They strengthen our sense of community and give us some common ground. They distinguish us from outsiders, and signal to us that the person we are talking to shares at least some of our interests and background.
Nobody is claiming Scheme will get us jobs; that's not what Scheme is for, and even if it were, that's not why we discuss Scheme. Most of us realise Python and Java aren't all bad; it doesn't matter in the slightest.
Memes are what makes us us.
/b/ wasn't killed by idiots. It always had idiots. It was killed by people who couldn't be bothered to learn the culture--that is, the memes--of /b/; who refused to lurk moar. These invaders did more than just fill it with fail; they made it an alien and hostile place for the people who used to frequent it.
In a sense, /prog/'s increase in meme-spamming is a reaction against that. It comforts us to know that /prog/ is still /prog/, and will be for a while longer.
Yes, it would be nice to have some serious discussion (nobody's stopping you from starting one). However, the memes are important.
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Anonymous2008-03-16 17:29
'-._ ___.....___
`.__ ,-' ,-.`-,
`''-------' ( p ) `._ FAREWELL, /PROG/
`-' ( AND DON'T FORGET TO
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Anonymous2008-03-16 17:37
>>39 THANK YOU. Fortunately there are still some people left who actually understand /prog/ and anonymous BBS/imageboard culture in general.
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Anonymous2008-03-16 17:41
>>37 here, I was just trolling (seriously, I love you guys and I love trolling).
Yes, it would be nice to have some serious discussion (nobody's stopping you from starting one).
No, you can't if you use one of the many technologies that /prog/ dislikes. And I'm not talking about ENTERPRISE bullshit, but solid stuff that isn't scheme.
Any thread of the form "what do you think about" or "should I use _____ for ______" will yield more trolls than good replies, so only non-regulars start this kind of threads, and they can't manage to steer the discussion right afterwards.
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Anonymous2008-03-16 20:03
>>46
If you insist on tying the goodness of a discussion to the ratio of trolls to real replies rather than the quality of the real replies, you'll find there isn't a single anonymous textboard out there that has any ``good'' discussion.
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Anonymous2008-03-16 20:25
rechan.da.ru/prog/
sovietrussia.org/code/
I think 4chan's /prog/ is starting to get too big and full of memes (yes 39-san, they're important, but when they start becoming the bulk of the postings, the board goes the way of /b/.) Start decentralizing.
sovietrussia.org/code is more meme faggery than this board.
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Anonymous2008-03-16 20:43
>>49 /prog/ has more quality posts than /code/. It has a lower ratio of quality posts to shit posts, sure, but I'd rather have some memery to look at than have one post every six months.
>>52
That's all that's left when you remove all the idiots from /pr/.
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Anonymous2008-03-16 20:49
/prog/ and proggit cater to the same group of people, just with different attitudes. lot's of people here surf both sides but that's not the problem.
the problem is the common newfaggot turning /prog/ into a "memes only" medium. he comes here, reads two threads and after 5 minutes thinks by himself "OH LOL THIS IS SO FUNNY LETS TRY IT MAKE A NEW THREAD TOO" ... and whatever he comes up with it is usually complete fucking crap ;_;
so the second time he doesn't try to come up with something, he just posts some regurgitated shit he saw was funny somewhere else (even if it doesn't fucking make any sense in this context) and OH WOW PPL LIKE IT SO I MUST BE GOODZ
he gets his quick fix, people respond, but he doesn't understand that the only people who go LULZ and go along with it are faggots just like him. faggots who are messing up our boards with their shit.
The worst part is of course that they talk about this new brilliant forum they found wherever they go (which ever cancer pit they came from) so they bring in more cancer. so it spreads. good threads either disappear quickly or stay on top and get trolled. after a while the initial user base can't take it any more, they leave and what's left is something like digg.
the solution? I'd say more moderators + publish IP when banned, tell users to LURK MOAR BEFORE POSTING. sagebomb every shitthread. also we need a GOOD copy pasta to go along with this, it should be an EFFECTIVE copy pasta that explains WHY we do this. I think this combination of education and punishment, if executed correctly, stands the best chance of succeeding (not just here btw)
alternatively we could flee to another board and leave the newfags amongst each other but that's not a real solution, the cancer spreads everywhere. we've been running for too long, i'd say we go head on with this and don't give up on /prog/.
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Anonymous2008-03-16 20:50
empty
Then why don't you guys populate it like you did with /prog/ back in '04? The guy's telling you all to regrow /prog/ the way you want it to be, not just migrate to some other shitty "community"
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Anonymous2008-03-16 20:53
We need a /prog9k/
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Anonymous2008-03-16 20:55
>>37
The forced_anon_chat thread was actually pretty nice, until /b/ got word of it. Then anonchat exploded overnight (I think something like 100+ users simultaneously at one time) and died a horrible death a few days later.
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Anonymous2008-03-16 20:57
>>57
Because only two people are complaining about /prog/. The rest of us are quite happy here.
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Anonymous2008-03-16 21:10
[spoilers]/prog/[/spoiler]rammers seeking their fix of serious discussion tend to hang out in #sicp anyway. A lack of serious discussion on /prog/ itself isn't that terrible.
I've been here long enough to go through a couple of anger stages, an abandonment stage, and even a spam meme stage. (That last one was very short. It's just stupid; there is no two ways about that.)
Now I'm writing scripts that take the pages and filter out posts that match a list of phrases like "my other car". I would have the script look for specific tripcodes, but the good posters rarely use them. I only use one when I have something worthwhile to write. Notice I'm not using one on this post.
I've done this before with phpBB forums and newsgroups. They're not anonymous, and my filter picked out users I marked as 'smart' or 'funny'. It was pretty efficient; I got a lot more useful information in a lot less time than it takes to read through all the shit in this place.
writing your own software to crawl boards seems like a lot of work; it's not like there's a Microformat that gets used so you'll end up writing one version of the software for each type of boardsoftware, no?
>>70
You'd be better off learning Greasemonkey than trying to set up my stuff, which is low level wget/bash/awk/gtk-server spread across several scripts.
Use Greasemonkey to mark offensive phrases in red so you can visually skip them faster. That's a relatively easy starting point.
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Anonymous2008-03-18 21:09
>>48 39-san
Man, I wish we had an English 2channel. 4-ch is close, but it's too slow.
>>108
Oh jeez. That section is worse than modern /prog/! Although if you dig in a bit deeper into the archive, you'll find all the golden nuggets from 2005.
>>113
"Good" is subjective. Saying "/prog/ was never good" is just parroting memetic collective sentiment and has no basis in actual fact.
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Anonymous2009-05-24 8:26
Okay, let me start with this: FUCK. WOLFRAM|ALPHA. I really hate that faggot search site and
its users. It's really bad and we need to find a solution for it. There's a
steaming pile of shit coming from that webshite, and it certainly isn't just
trolls. It's retards. wolftards, poluting our lovely /prog/. Through the text
I'll use "alpha" but I mean "wolframalpha.com" and not the whole reddit
community, which while still full of BS not relevant to /prog/'s polution.
>>133
Just what the fuck are you talking about? sage. this thread is 1 year old. If there was any hope back then, certainly there's nothing to hope for now. Just move on, nothing to see here...