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Ethical Hacking

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-29 15:03

Have you guys heard anything about Ethical Hacking?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certified_Ethical_Hacker

wiki didn't provide a whole lot of help, but you can find more info through the usual sources. I'm majoring in computer science, and I've heard a lot about how important security is. I'm only a freshman, but down the line I hope to get my masters, and I think the best path to success is focusing on security.

Is security a safe route for employment? I'm good at math and will probably pick up a mathematics minor along the way. What do you guys know about Security Jobs in Computer Science?

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-29 15:19

>Is security a safe route for employment
yes

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certified_Ethical_Hacker
Course is a joke. Educate yourself.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-29 15:21

``Certified Script Kiddie'' would be a more suitable name.

If you're actually interested in computer security (which is very different from just wanting a safe employment), that's a valid specialization, but I would recommend staying clear of bullshit like this `certification'.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-29 16:05

>>2,3

Yea I know, I just kinda found that since it's the only thing that popped up when I wiki'd "Ethical Hacker". The certifications generally look like bullshit, but should I get them anyways just for employment sake, or would they actually hurt me instead (the cert seems easy and quick anyways)?

I *am* interested in Computer Security. I know about all the bullshit that the IT sector is going through with programmers/Software Engineers and outsourcing and all that crap. I want to avoid that. I hear a lot about how ``Cyber Security" is becoming extremely important, so it seems like it would provide good job security and dare I say ``fun"? I've always loved learning about the subject and the idea of being a kind of ``hacker", it seems like this may be one way for me to live out my dream.

Would a Masters Degree (with a possible Minor in Mathematics just because there isn't that much more to do to pick it up and I plan on taking differential equations anyways even though my program only requires up to Calc III for calculus) focusing on Security be a good route to go about doing this? Should I double major in, say, EE at all, or is that not necessary? Any courses I should look out for/particular subjects taught that I should try and take?

Finally, what title should I be looking for? Ethical Hacker is just something I came across in my research. Is there another position I can do some research into that a Masters would better qualify me for (and thus give me possibly better pay)? I'd like to try and find job descriptions and pay ranges/educational requirements while I'm a freshman so I can know this information beforehand.

Also, anyone know about working with the Gov't? Or should I stay clear of it?

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-29 16:06

http://www.nsa.gov/careers/careers_5.cfm

^thoughts?

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-29 17:14

>>4
Fuck no, stay out of government work. The bureaucracy is soul-destroying.

>>5
It's not bad if you like math. Try and get yourself into the research directorate, they do some neat shit. But see previous statement.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-29 17:30

I fucking hate this ``college freshman looking for career advice'' meme

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-29 18:00

>>7

This might surprise you, but I invented that meme

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-29 18:07

>> I plan on taking differential equations

Great idea! Everyone knows how applicable these are to computer security.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-29 18:50

>>9
I know you're being sardonic, but it is.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-29 19:17

>>10
How?

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-29 20:44

>>10

DON'T HELP HIM!!!

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-29 20:46

DON'T HELP HIM!!!

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-29 20:58

DON'T HELP HIM!!!

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-29 21:10

>>4 here

Could someone actually answer my questions? Mainly, what type of security work should I be looking into? What "Job Title"? Ethical Hacker or something else?

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-29 21:15

Pen tester?

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-29 21:23

>>15
Subscribe to n3td3v's Cyber Security Mailing List. It's the best

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-29 21:39

>>15

Job Title: Cudder

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-29 22:13

>>17

http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/security/dmorrill/archives/security-trolls-n3td3v-12460

^This n3td3v? A proposed "troll"?

You sadden me, /prog/

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-29 23:13

>>15
Coffee Maker.
Stationary Distributor.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-29 23:17

>>15
You have the all important role of distributing hot caffeinated beverages to the real programmers

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-30 3:19

>>15
Expert Coffee Maker

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-30 5:27

>>15
Regional assistant manager of the distribution of Coffee and Coffee related products.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-30 6:43

YOU BLOODY FUCKING SHIT OP MOTHERFUCKER.

Being a hacker (that exploits and hacks obviously) is the hardest thing to do after writing your own algorithms (algorithm research).
You have to know about everything a project uses.
Example:
want to hack

#include <stdio.h>
int main(void) { printf("Hello world"); return 0; }
First, you need to know C. Every fucking word memorized from the standard.
Then, you need to know how the compiler behaves, any compiler the user might've used to compile this for his system.
Oh, wait did I say system? You need to know everything about his operating system, his architecture, his libc implementation.
That's to exploit a C hello world.

That ``course'' is full of bollocks, it will mainly brainwash you.
Hacking is not ``ethical'' you hack to hack. You don't give codes to the security, you don't try to make a name for yourself.
You don't work for ISS (except if you are going to give shells to ppl ^_^).

Hacking is illegal. That means a hacker is a criminal.
No ethical bullshit. In comparison to mafia, the rats are the 'ethical mafioso'.
Yes, it could get you a very good job, but you still would know shit about security.
Your job is going to be so lame you will get paid from companies to run a ``vuln scanner'' on their hosts.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-30 7:04

>>24
He didn't say he wanted to be a hacker, just that he wants to go into computer security.

The course he's going for does sound like a load of shit though.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-30 7:19

What are the ethical principles of hacking - motivation and limits

    * Access to computers - and anything which might teach you something about the way the world really works - should be unlimited and total. Always yield to the Hands-On Imperative!
    * All information should be free.
    * Mistrust authority - promote decentralization.
    * Hackers should be judged by their acting, not bogus criteria such as degrees, age, race, or position.
    * You can create art and beauty on a computer.
    * Computers can change your life for the better.
    * Don't litter other people's data.
    * Make public data available, protect private data.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-30 7:31

If your name is Pooey Dogs Bum you should become a veterinarian that specializes in removing the poo from a dogs bum. You would be Dr. Pooey Dogs Bum, the dogs bum doctor.

Name: 24 2008-01-30 7:32

>>25
computer security as in giving exploits to companies?
As for the course it is shit.
Talk to someone who has that cert, see what he has to tell you about comp sec or hacking. (don't ask them about programming they don't know anything beyond their php guestbook that is protected from XSS attacks LOL.

>>26
   * Access to computers - and anything which might teach you something about the way the world really works - should be unlimited and total. Always yield to the Hands-On Imperative!
Yeah, access to your desktop at the office. great.

    * All information should be free.
Why do you have to pay for the courses then?

   * Mistrust authority - promote decentralization.
Hahahaha..
   * Hackers should be judged by their acting, not bogus criteria such as degrees, age, race, or position.
BUY THIS CERT SO YOU CAN CLAIM TO BE AN ETHICAL HAX0R WOOT.

   * Don't litter other people's data.
no, fuck you. rm -rfv / &

   * Make public data available, protect private data.
Aha, make public data available, I guess that includes exploits and PoC so companies can fix their shit and you can get some more ``respect'' in the ``hacking'' community.

I agree, free access to computers & information, yes, give your exploits to bugtraq so a company can have another version of a commercial product? No thanks.

And to the rest of this board, actually, to these that think hackers are skiddies, they are not.
I have met hackers that have read TAoCP, something that most of you praise but have not read.
How is a hacker a skiddie if he knows all you paid to know in your CS course and a lot more?

Name: expert h4ck3r 2008-01-30 9:26

http://tinyurl.com/3clure

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-30 11:34

in b4 FairX the haxxor.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-30 14:38

well, is security viable for employment above something like Software Engineering, or not? I thought security would be the one way I could avoid all the bullshit of having to get a second major in Biology or EE.

Screw it, I give up. what kind of career is actually GOOD anymore in Computer Science? And don't say ``none" because I know a lot of you are either majoring in Comp Sci or work in the field. Normal programmers have to deal with outsourcing, Ageism, rapidly changing technology, and oh yea INCOMPETENT MANAGEMENT SHITTING ALL OVER THEM EVERY DAY. Administrators, from what I hear, don't get much better. Can I get my Masters in some subject in Computer Science where I can avoid all of this outsourcing and crappy pointy-haired management as long as I can learn the information?

Guess I'm stuck with a double major... maybe I'll just switch over to Business Administration?

HALP /prog/!

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-30 15:42

>>31
Start your own company, then you can do whatever you want.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-30 19:00

>>31
The best career in compsci is teaching compsci.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-30 20:48

>>22
ENTERPRISECOFFEEMAKER

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-30 20:50

CEH is a fucking joke. If you can metasploit you'll be fine. Just get hired and then blackmail your clients. I've found CP on SO many executive's computers it isn't even funny anymore.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-30 21:09

"Computer crime is the
fastest growing
segment of the IT
industry"

-F-SECURE

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-30 22:11

>>35
That must be nice

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-30 22:18

>>35
It doesn't count when you're the one that planted it.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-30 22:29

>>35
The only acceptable form of CP is the SICP.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-31 5:05

>>31
For fuck's sake, can't you make a decision on your own? This must be at least the fifth thread you've started whining on about your future degree and career. You fucking pussy.

Name: Anonymous 2009-03-18 3:48

Don't call me gay, but I need some mary jay!

Marijuana MUST be legalized.

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-03 3:28

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-17 19:41

dubz

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 14:28


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Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 14:29

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