/prog/ - which one?

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-18 19:33

i'm thinking of learning a desktop programming language. i'm decent with a few browser/server based languages, like php and javascript, but i wanna go beyond that.

so what are the pros/cons of ruby and python, and which should i go with?

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-18 19:40

Ruby isn't a desktop programming language. Python is barely a desktop programming language.

You can do it with both of them, but you'll be disappointed with the results.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-18 20:01

>>2
"DESKTOP PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE"

COMEDY FUCKING GOLD

Awesome way of saying you can't do much with either of them besides writing scripts for flooding imageboards.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-18 22:10

VB if you want something easy

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-18 23:42

>>4
i dont run windows

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-19 0:11

>>5

FREEBASIC?

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-19 3:45

>>6
gambas

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-19 3:58

>>3
Troll gold. No matter how much you call Python and Ruby "scripting languages", it won't be any more true. You can build complete, large-scale web applications, and some desktop applications with them, and they have high level, productive features your favourite language will always lack.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-19 4:31

MY ABACUS CAN SERVE WEB PAGES FASTER THAN RUBY

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-19 4:36

running ruby on an athlon 64 x2 is like running perl on an 8086

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-19 6:42

>>8
You can write real applications in brainfuck, but that doesn't mean you should.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-19 11:45 (sage)

>>8
Oh very well. I'll just call Python and Ruby toy languages that would like to be Perl without the respective authors' pet peeves. So now you have a pair of languages where doing things that could be implemented in one line of Perl require definition of several classes and tens of lines of code.

Gg, people, gg.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-19 16:34

IF YOU ARE A BROKE AND UNEMPLOYED ANGRY NERD, JUST STFU. NOBODY GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHAT YOU *THINK* PROGRAMMING IS.

SO APPLY AT MCDONALDS TODAY! OTHER CAREER CHOICES INCLUDE JANITORIAL SERVICES AND GARBAGE COLLECTING (NOT WITH THE CITY THOUGH).

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-19 19:50 (sage)

As much as I like Perl, >>12 is an idiot.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-20 4:58

>>12
only old men like Perl

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-20 7:37 (sage)

>>15
I hear women like pearls too.....oooooh you said perl, no one likes that.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-21 15:04

>>4
Tightly coupled to the GUI. Poor designs as a result.

Python runtime is faster than Perl. Perl is ugly, Python has a lot of built in functionality.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-21 20:00

Python + Psyco = VROOM VROOOM scripting

Seriously though, it's darn fast.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-22 0:36

>>18
I once used psyco on a major (read: ~500k) internal app. The best improvement I could get out of it was a miserable 10% improvement.

Maybe you'll get noteworthy improvement on benchmarks, but I have doubts about anything non-trivial.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-22 4:33

>>19
Even so, keep in mind it's 10% over the fastest of the modern languages (so-called scripting languages).

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-22 5:47

>>20
Yes, but 10% is a complete joke. I'm not trying to flame, and I hope you won't take it personally; it's a statement of fact.

In the end we rewrote some algorithms so they were (almost) embarrassingly parallel, and dropped cash for a couple racks of blade servers. Performance improvement was somewhere in the vicinity of 1000x, not 1.1x. So you can see why 10% isn't of much interest.

How many non-artificial situations can you think of that 10% will make a difference? Especially when psyco is neither proven nor particularly stable?

Psyco was an interesting development, but any benefits it will have will occur in the knowledge that was acquired during its creation, and used in things like Pypy. I have high hopes in that regard.

Also, I'd like to add that as nice as Python is, there are languages out there that are both a lot faster and more powerful. Their main problem is the usual: too few libraries.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-22 8:41

>>21
How would Anonymous take flames personally? This is 4chan. I'm a fag. You're a fag. Everybody is a fag. Nobody cares.

10% is pretty good for no cost don't you think? I like it. And 10% is a worse scenario; I've typically seen better.

And yeah, the guy who did Psyco rocks.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-22 9:33

Script language fags GTFO. Make a script language board or something.

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-22 9:53

>>23
LOL CFLAGS JUST KICKED IN VROOM VROOM -O9 -m256 -march=my-super-rig -malign-double -malign-stringops -mfpmath=sse -falign-functions -ffloat-store -finline-functions -foptimize-register-move -fpack-struct -funroll-loops -frerun-loop-opt -fthread-jumps -funsafe-math-optimizations HAHAHAHAHA TAKE THIS SCRIPT FAGS

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-22 14:58

>>24
lol scriptlamer

Name: Anonymous 2006-09-22 15:24

>>21
you don't need to buy new stuff if you have good algorithms

Name: Anonymous 2008-09-12 8:51

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Name: Anonymous 2009-01-14 12:21

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