Why do people still believe in the Holocaust?

Can someone please explain to me why everyone's expected to agree with the official story about 6 million Jews being killed under the Third Reich?  I mean, in many countries, it's criminal to even *question* the idea that something might be wrong with that claim.  And you basically get blacklisted everywhere for doubting it, being labled as a denier.

I've done some research on this, and there's actually a pretty solid case that there was no so-called "Holocaust".  One that I agree with, in fact.  Here's an example of an excellent debunking:

http://www.ihr.org/books/rassinier/debunking.shtml

So, with a case that solid, why is it such a big deal?  Why do people believe that there was a Holocaust?

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People have different opinions on things. People always will as long as semi-free thought exists. Just accept that fact and grow up already. Stop whining about innane bullshit that does not matter.

Not all died in auschwitz, many died of starvation in ghettos and "collateral" damage during the war.

It's my belief that laws which make questioning the Holocaust illegal actually do more to help these tin-foil kooks.  The truth typically does not need laws to defend it - only lies do.  That makes the Holocaust immediately suspicious to many people.

That said, I still believe that it occurred, largely as depicted in the mainstream historical record.  These laws were passed out of emotionality rather than any sound reasoning or legal basis.  The guilt-ridden western democracies just shoot themselves in the foot by encouraging anti-Semitism with such laws.

In Nazi Germany, you couldn't say too many nice things about Jews, or else.
In Western Europe today, you can't say too many nice things about Nazis, or else.

I see a pattern here.

The most intense hatred is often found between peoples that cannot live with just how similar they are.
- Christian nutbags hate Moslems. Moslem nutbags hate Christians.
- Jewish nutbags hate Moslems. Moslem nutbags hate Jews.
- Commies and Nazis hate each other.
- Nazis hate Jews.
...etc...

The Communist regimes, when teaching their school children, couldn't go into much detail about why the Nazi regime was so bad (censorship, Hitlerjugend, thought police, kz camps etc), without also describing themselves (censorship, Komsomol, thought police, gulags, etc). So they had to resort to superficial differences (swastikas, rune-lookalike logos, choleric-sounding speeches, etc).

The Jewish scriptures (Torah, Talmud, etc) have this nasty tendency to forbid intermarriage. Do not pollute thy pure Hebrew blood, or else.
The Third Reich had similar laws some 2-3 millennia later.
In fact, the 3rd Reich was actually the last ones on that "genetic hygiene"-bandwagon. It was just the fashionable thing to do at that time.

>>6
Well spotted. There is a psychological explanation for this in the projection defense mechanism whereby someone shows bigotry towards others for flaws they themselves possess.

I have pictures of relatives who died in the Holocaust. Do I believe it happened? Yes. Do I give a shit? No.

As far as I'm concerned, everybody on the planet is a dick. And everybody acts like dicks to each other all the time. The Holocaust was just a major milestone in dick history. Big dicking deal. The moral of the story is to stop being dicks. But nobody gives a dick anymore because they're too busy with their little dick lives. Dicks dicks dicks.

>>8
I couldn't help but notice, did you mention dicks? Because I believe you may have. But, I'm not exactly sure.

>>8
Some people enjoy having dicks in their mouths and others enjoy sticking their dicks into people's mouths, so there is some good in the world. Isn't that worth fighting for?

>>5
This.

And no, you don't "believe" in the Holocaust, or any major historical event for that matter. It's an event which you acknowledge the existence of based on verifiable historical facts, not blind faith. As for debunking, people can make whatever claims they want and try to get people to pay attention. But the historical evidence is completely clear: the Holocaust occured, and to the extent most commonly depicted.

Minus a few hundred thousand.

No jews were killed during the period 1939-1945, if anything jews killed 6000000 germans.

I believe in the Holocaust because if I didn't the government would send me to prison!

>>14
That surely is not the workings of a free society.

It's outlawed because it's annoying, but it doesn't stop people from being annoying.

Imagine the US Government making it illegal to say "9/11 was an inside job."  People would shout even harder that the claims are true.  Removing a youtube video gets more people to post the same video.  Restricting the rights of gays or blacks creates more effort against those restrictions.  Resistance creates opposite resistance.

>>16
It shouldn't be outlawed in the first place. Outlawing it just feeds into the problem more, not reduce it.

>>17
Not always. If Britain were a tyranny they would have just tortured mahatma gandhi to death in public and slaughtered entire populations that showed the slightest bit of resistance.

>>19
That's funny that you mention Britain because it's exactly turning into a tyrannical country.

>>20
Well on the doubleplusgood side hopefully they will torture faggots like Mahatma in the future.

>>21
They're too pussy to torture famous people.  Just like the US, they'll only torture teenagers, cripples, and the mentally deficient.

>>22
so that's why they tortured your mother!

>>23

There goes a mentally deficient individual now. He must be a BNP supporter.

>>24
indeed, they would be the only ones hurt by a comment like that.

>>25
BNP: When you finally get sick of the towelheads.

>>22
They're too pussy at the moment because they haven't turned Britain into a tyranny as of yet, but they would in a heartbeat if they had the power.

The question is not "why do people still believe in the Holocaust?"  The mass murders by the National Socialist regime in Germany were well documented.  Mass graves were found, and so fucking what?  Woe to the vanquished.  The victors write history.

The question you should be asking is, "what makes the kikes so special that White Western men should have died for them, when four million White Christian Armenians were murdered by the Turkish government barely a generation before, to which the West's response was a deafening silence? when thirty million Ukrainians were machine-gunned by Stalin's kike-heavy NKVD barely a few years before the war began, likewise ignored by the West and outright denied by influential Western newsmedia (Jewsmedia) like the New York Times for decades afterward?  Why did six hundred thousand Americans have to die as mercenaries in the kikes' cause, a war to save the kikes from a fate they brought upon themselves?"

>>28
They're next to France.

Why don't white nationalists stop making asses of themselves by saying the Holocaust never happened?  It's more credible to say "the media tends to glorify the Holocaust over other incidents of mass murder" and point out where and when this happens and how it should be stopped.  Then again, most white nationalist arguments are immediately labeled as whacko hate group theories, so maybe it's better to leave the arguments to the professionals.  For example, criticizing Israel works better when the person making the argument has no ties to white nationalist groups.  People who do have an association with these groups and argue against Zionism make it easier for the media to say all anti-Zionism is racism.  At least the Internet makes it easier to make arguments, but having the word white or blanc in your URL doesn't help with credibility.  The general masses should be the ones finding the Holocaust industry distasteful.

>>30
The same reason Truthers would rather say the government carried out 9/11 rather than that Bush took advantage of it

NAZI Death concentration camps Germany August 28 1945.mpg

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3464847706951809005

How can anyone deny the Holocaust after watching this?

>>32
I don't deny the Holocaust.  I just don't give a fuck.

Let me repeat my question from >>28.  Troublesome minorities who wear out their welcome get exterminated.  It's what governments have always done.  Six million kikes is small change compared to what other governments did both before and after the Second World War.  Yet our agitprop "history" books tell us the National Socialist movement was uniquely evil and the kikes were uniquely innocent victims, uniquely deserving the deaths of millions of Western White Christian men to save them from the fate they brought upon themselves.

Why isn't anyone upset about the Armenians, kid?  Stalin and the kike NKVD killed thirty million Ukrainians just before the war.  People are barely even allowed to talk about it.  When the Reds took over Cambodia they killed off a third of the population.

But what do I hear in this forum?  What do I hear from the jewsmedia?  What do they talk about in movies, on television, in all the jew-controlled agitprop that tells us what we are and are not allowed to think, what we are and are not allowed to speak aloud, what we are and are not allowed to believe?  "OH THE JEWS THE JEWS THE POOR MISUNDERSTOOD JEWS, BAWWWWWWW, OH THE HOLOCAUST, OH THOSE EVIL WHITE CHRISTIANS!  HOW DARE THEY?"

I'm sure the Germans did kill off somewhere between five and ten million kikes.  If you had lived in Germany during the Weimar Republic, lived through what the kikes did to German culture, the German people, Germany's economy, you'd be sorry you hadn't managed to kill them all.  Woe to the vanquished!

>>33
^*Hebrew Americans

We could promote other genocides and hope they'll be more appreciated by the public in a kind of free market genocide promotion.  Whoever has the most books, movies, museums and history book entries dedicated to their genocide wins.

>>33
You won't think genocide is a big deal when "la raza" crazed hispanics are the majority in the US.

>>36
Are you suggesting genocide of all Hispanics that live in the U.S.? Legislation that was passed by then President Lyndon Johnson that opened the floodgates of immigration legal and illegal, caused much of this mess. Yes, White men in Washington promoted mass immigration from Latin American countries. Companies benefited because they could pay these off the book people and make profit. If anything both Hispanics and White people are the victims in this.

Don't toss all blame at them. While the Vietnam War was waging, the demographics of the U.S. was being usurped with legislation.

>>37
So it never occured to you that supporters of the La Raza Reqonquista Aztlan ideology might one day be capable of genocide, you instantly assume only non-whites can be victims even when they are the majority.

SIX MILLION NEVER DIED

BUT SIX MILLION SURE DESERVE TO!!!!

>>39
That's cold, but I can certainly see where you are coming from. You have a much more rational and positive outlook than these kneejerk "YOU'RE A NAZI" liberals.

It's easy to say the Jews deserved it.  Several WN arguments try to state that Jews did something wrong before WWII that made Hitler's actions necessary.  This line of thinking makes the WN arguments seem more hateful for trying to justify war.  Arguments should focus on why people need to stop using the Holocaust as an excuse for everything.

>>38
I could say the same for Neo Nazis. I'm sure a segment of the Hispanic population could very well have a desire to plot something like that, but these ideologies are promoted by some humans, regardless of race.

>>42
It's still quite a stretch. Lower class/poor people commit genocide more often than developed middle class populations.

>>43
I agree, but not all Hispanic people are poor or of lower class.

>>44
Thanks to Obama's open border policy that will change.

>>45
You mean thanks to the border policy since the Lyndon Johnson administration. These things were set in motion long before Obama took office.

>>46
KIKES

>>44
True, but the doctors and engineers stay in Mexico.  It's the illiterates, the retards, the thieves and felons and drug addicts, the ones who can't make it where they are, who cross the border and put their hands out for "el guelfare."

>>48
Clearly we need to become a tax shelter for the rich to brain drain all the intelligent mexicans while taxing the shit out of the poor to deter retarded immigrants. Within a decade social darwinism will begin to take effect.

Because the Holocaust happened dumbass.

We have proof.

>>47
No, Lyndon Johnson was a gentile.

>>48-49
NAFTA doesn't exactly help the situation. In fact, it makes things worse, because not only do the Mexican poor not have enough to sustain themselves, they literally have to flee Mexico for their very lives, thanks to the restrictions put upon their country by way of NAFTA.

Pull every single troop out of Iraq and Afghanistan, don't build any permanent bases in those two nations, and station all those troops across the border between the United States and Mexico. There needs to be much more patrolling going on. What Bush and Obama have done so far is not anywhere near good enough.

>>1


You're a fucking idiot, I'd like to see you say that to someone with their camp ID tatoo'd on to their arm.

That proves they survived.  You'd need to find someone who's been gassed with a camp ID tatoo'd on their arm.

>>54
Easier said than done.

>>53
Were they using jews for slave labor? Yes, certainly. Were they trying to exterminate them? No. The only reason they starved in the concentration camps was due to the chaos of war as the eastern front collapsed, prison camps aren't a high logistical priority as the red army surges towards the fatherland.

I'm not denying anything, I'm not denying the nazis were psychotic motherfuckers, I'm just trying to shed light on the reality of the situation. The way I see it is if we have a realistic view of what actually happened we are in a better position to prevent it, if we demonise nazis and hype up all their crimes all we achieve is to play down actual genocide when it happens. For instance the genocide in Dafur, it was about equal in intensity to what actually happened in nazi Germany but because it was nothing compared to our fantasy of the holocaust very few actually reacted to the crimes against humanity.

Dafur was largely ignored because people have become even more insular in regards to their own nation. If it doesn't directly effect them, there's no real drive to do anything about it.

Darfur was ignored because it's just more TNB, Typical Nigger Behavior.  The savages behave the same way in Darfur, in Nigeria, in South Africa, in Haiti, in Detroit.  It's in their blood.  They aren't human, so why pay attention to their monkey antics?

>>58
Actually it was a bunch of predominately arabs from the nile region killing black tribes in the hinterlands.

^* African American

Where does the American part come from, shitstain?

>>61
The shitstains are the same color as african americans.

JEWS

Fact: Denying the Holocaust is punished in the EU and in Israel, questioning in even less.

Fact: I've been to Auschwitz and talked to the survivor Mr. Mandelbaum. I have no reason not to believe him. He seemed very authentic.

yes it is true
i am a real life jewish from the days of "aushwitz" and i can tell you from experience, the camps were not places of horrible atrocity, rather they were places of horrible FUNOCITY! i remember clearly, those halcyon days spent riding the log ride with my fellow jews, occasionally bearing witness to our good buddy hitler operating the controls as he loved to do. On thursdays the nazis would take us out into the fields with large butterfly nets to collect beautiful large orange butterflies (the scientific names escape me now, my memory is fragile, probably due to all the exstacy we did) and then pin them to our big butterfly board. We would have contests to see who could collect the most, and the winner got to eat dinner! yep, fond fond memories of that place.

seriously though how can you deny it? are you just stupid or really really fucked in the head? it's probably one of the most well documented events in human history. I suppose all the movies and images of aushwitz are just made up huh? and the old people who went to war, none of that happened either, they're all just lying as part of a giant conspiracy right? people who believe this shit are certifiably schizophrenic. You cannot reasonably believe in something that would require SO many people to hold up a giant lie like that, it's just statistically impossible. SOMEONE WOULD CRACK. and i'm sorry but are we to believe the pictures of PILES of dead jewish bodies are just fakes? seriously when did people like you fall so out of touch with reality? i really feel bad for someone like you who believes everyone out there is trying to get them. Trust me, we're not, the cia doesn't give a shit about you (neither does the fbi, unless you are so crazy you've decided to start making bombs or stupid shit like that), and you need to probably go outside for once in your crazy life

>>67
How do you answer those of us who do not argue that it did not happen, merely that it is historically irrelevant, and if the kikes do not wish to be prodded onto cattle cars, perhaps they should stop sucking the lifeblood of working-class White men?

>>68
You further prove your mental illness with each new post that you author.

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