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Obama on the 2nd Amendment

Name: Anonymous 2008-10-22 7:33

Name: RedCream 2008-10-26 2:07

Obama supporters don't care about the U.S. Constitution.  FACT.

Name: Anonymous 2008-10-26 11:17

Obama will NOT amend the constitution ... retards

Name: Anonymous 2008-10-27 19:20

We cannot stop criminals off of the street while we believe in the 2nd amendment. The only people who care, are fucking redneck hicks.

Name: Anonymous 2008-10-27 22:39

you censor the 2nd amendment you might as well censor the whole constitution, it seems like a good first step. say good by to all your rights

Name: Anonymous 2008-10-28 0:21

>>5
We do not need to 2nd amendment and how does this help stop criminals? Also I do not have the right to carry around a sword wherever I go, so where the fuck is this right?

Name: RedCream 2008-10-28 0:29

>>6
You sound like the typical delusional Liberal who doesn't understand the U.S Constitution or social forces whatsoever.

Criminals don't obey the law in the first place, so it doesn't matter to them personally what the Second Amendment says.

However, it matters very much what we potential victims experiences, since we can keep and bear arms to resist what the criminals do.

BTW, you DO have the right to carry around a sword.  That's an "arm" by any definition, legal or common.  BUT THE POLITICAL FAGS AND OTHER LIBERALS IN THE CITIES WILL SIC THE COPS ON YOU FOR DOING IT ... yes, in CLEAR violation of the U.S Constitution.  You cityfags have been living under urban oppression for so long that you now expect that to be the real basis of law and rights in the USA.  But it's not.  The right to keep and bear arms is affirmed for all citizens.  That's exactly what the Second Amendment says.  Any adult can indulge in that right regardless where he is in the USA or the territories.

Like I said, only Liberals oppose that, since they are largely fag coward Communists and all the other idiotic failings of modern culture.

Name: Anonymous 2008-10-28 1:48

Remember what Obama said before the D.C. vs Heller case? He thought the D.C. gun ban was consistent with his support for the 2nd amendment.  That should tell you how broad he views the 2nd amendment as being, and it should tell you what kind of judges he will appoint to the supreme court.  (Anti-gun libfags who believe in an evolving constitution as opposed to a fixed legal document constitution).

Name: RedCream 2008-10-28 16:10

Haw haw!  I note that we stopped the Libfags COLD with our sensible and factual responses.  The fact is that the right to keep and bear arms in the USA is AFFIRMED.  The U.S. Constitution SAYS SO.  Its RIGHT THERE for anyone who can read.  The U.S. Constitution is the LAW OF THE LAND, and no municipality has the right to CONTRADICT Constitutional law.  No city has the right to ban guns.  NONE.

That Obama doesn't believe that, shows how much of a Libfag he really is.  Like any extremist, he hates the U.S. Constitution and will do anything to avoid obeying it for things within his biases.

Name: INCOG MAN 2008-10-28 16:48

I hate idiot liberals and fags.

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Name: Anonymous 2008-10-28 17:48

2nd Amendment is a right I could live without, just as long as it makes sure others are not allowed to carry a weapon. I think it keeps me safer because of it. Also what does freedom of speech and bawwwing about not being able to carry a weapon relevant whatsoever?

Name: Anonymous 2008-10-28 17:50

>>11
I kind of agree, we don't need it. Plus hopefully we'll make this country safer. And don't listen to them, they are just some redneck white supremacy group who want guns to, "LOLKILLALLTHENIGGERS." Their opinion doesn't matter.

Name: Anonymous 2008-10-28 22:17

When you are choosing the lesser of two evils...

....always remember that it is still an evil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sRnYs5YeCE&eurl=http://www.ronpaulforpresident2008.com/news/

Name: RedCream 2008-10-28 22:21

>>11
Firstly, criminals don't obey the law.  They will not be disarmed.

Secondly, the U.S. Constitution DOES have an amendment procedure.  It's been started about 11000 times in the nation's history.  The result has been less than 30 official amendments.  So it looks like you've got some work to do.  GET CRACKIN'!

Name: Anonymous 2008-10-28 23:54

>>12
Your post is so poor that your opinion is worth no more than that of the rednecks you referred to.

Name: Anonymous 2008-10-29 1:57

I agree with >>11 and >>12, I rather live in a safe society without this amendment where all guns and weapons (non collective) are banned. That way you disarm the gangs and send them to jail for a small sentence. I do not kill LOLNIGGERS.

Name: Anonymous 2008-10-29 22:08

The second amendment has nothing to do with criminals or hunting or rednecks. It is to be used by the average citizen to protect themselves should they be forced to fight against government tyranny.

Name: Anonymous 2008-10-30 0:53

>>11
>>12
>>16
same fag.

Name: Anonymous 2008-10-30 1:00

>>17

Well it looks like that's going to work

Name: Anonymous 2008-10-30 6:13

>>17
Without the 2nd Amendment, nobody would have weapons. Thus safer than now. Learn moar you fairy.

Name: Anonymous 2008-10-30 13:38

>>20
Except those who don't obey the law, a.k.a. criminals. You're fucking stupid.

Name: Anonymous 2008-10-31 15:08

>>14
Obama is still going to pass gun control laws without regard to the recent court case if he's elected, and noticing how thin the edge the conservatives on the court have, they will likely be upheld as long as they aren't too extreme.

Name: Elvis 2008-11-02 12:38

Sorry for my bad Englishi its not my main language ok i will give you example i live in Europe, right to carry a gun woes banned about 15 yeas ago ,now only police officers and ppl with special certificates have right to carry gun - you have to pass hard psychological test and have Meany luck to get gun! , 95% of guns shop were closed,+citizens were have to give up their guns or face jail ,before ban shootings ,bomb cars woes daily routine ,after ban and 8 years past we got only about 20 shootings per year!
they drops more than five 1000%, if you are Caught with gun now days you are jailed instantly , so nobody is so stupid to were it.  we have tv show like oprah winfrey in usa ,one day ther woes interview with  some thieves - thay said that they are afreyd of wearing gun , so you see now what will give you Bann
on 2nd Amendment

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-02 13:54

>>23
Sounds horrible.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-02 14:53

Name: RedCream 2008-11-02 16:16

>>23
And, you know, you can do that in the USA also ... but you have to AMEND THE U.S. CONSTITUTION FIRST.  That's the part of the plan that the Libfags fail on consistently.  They just pass laws at local levels without regard for the U.S. Constitution.  ALL GUN BANS IN THE USA ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.  When are you Libfags going to finally admit the TRUTH?!?!

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-02 21:06

>>26
Fuck Guns and Fuck all Weapons!

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-02 22:18

Violent crime, especially rape, only increased after guns were banned in the UK. It was caused by the fact that only law abiding citizens handed over their firearms and the fact that people who can't defend themselves in hand to hand combat against violent criminals were consequently completely defenseless.

I believe gun bans are a blatant act of discrimination, racism and oppression against the physically disabled and the politicians in support of such policies should be penalised and branded as though they supported discrimination, racism and oppression against an ethnic or religious group.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-02 22:24

Funny how the gun is "the great equalizer" yet libfags, who constantly bitch about equality and fairness, fight so hard to ban guns.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-03 2:08

Take the police and force the criminals to hand over their guns. If they want to fight it out, then let them die.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-03 2:41

>>26
different libfag here, I agree with you about it being unconstitutional.
its one of the few things that I look at my fellow liberals and shake my head in shame. I dont know why so many liberals hate guns, I dont know how it came to be our platform and I really dont care. I wish we'd drop it like the pile of shit it is.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-03 16:50

>>29
Liberals don't really give a shit about that, they just want to whore on the wiminz vote for more political power.  See Hillary Clinton.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-03 17:11

>>32
Exactly my point.  Liberals don't really care about equality or freedom.  They care about pushing an agenda.  It's different from the neo-conservatard's agenda, but just as bad.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-03 17:30

I cannot believe people want guns. It's stupid. Also Republicans are religious, meaning that there will be no equality for homosexuals and women. If we need to sacrifice guns, so be it.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-03 20:10

>>34
Republicans want their guns because they are worried that they may need to fight a government that is stealing the people's rights. I.E., the republicans need guns so they can protect themselves from republicans.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-03 20:11

>>33
>Politicians don't really care about equality or freedom.  They care about pushing an agenda
fix'd

Name: Elvis 2008-11-04 13:48

>>28
thx fo your replay ,are you shore about thous rapes increas?

i have found data that  suggests other wise  but they are from: 1981-1995  http://www.gunsandcrime.org/highs.html greetings >>28

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-05 10:49

america should've voted ron paul
both mccain and obama fail
they have no real plans, and all they talk about are marxist unconstitutional policies

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-05 12:38

The 2nd amendment was made for a colony involved in continuous wars. It's outdated. Useless. A piece of garbage that should've been removed years ago.

Don't come with that 'If you change the 2nd amendment, you might as well destroy the entire constitution' bullshit. That logic is stupid and childish.
Banishing the 2nd amendment to the pages of history is a MUST.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-05 13:03

>>39
lol, ok... that's some really adult and logical reasoning right?

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-05 13:17

>>40
>lol
...

If you have any arguments against what I posted, go ahead. That's the purpose of this board after all.

Name: RedCream 2008-11-05 17:05

>>39
Banishing the 2nd amendment to the pages of history is a MUST.
Well, that's your right, and the U.S. Constitution has a well-defined procedure for doing that.

THE PROBLEM IS that your class of anti-gun screamer doesn't want to make that sort of effort.  You PREFER to perform unconstitutional acts like city-wide gun bans and the like.

When are you going to write a letter to your Congressman to get the process started for amending the U.S. Constitution to cancel the Second Amendment?  I mean, if you're not doing THAT, then you're just talking out your stupid Liberal fuckass.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-05 17:25

>>26

I completely agree on this. While I voted Obama and usually vote Democrat, I support the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution. I do believe that if a criminal comes into my house I have the right to shoot to disable, or if necessary, kill to defend myself or my Family.

It's basically the biggest thing that had me in disagreement with Obama, but it wasn't enough to make me swing over to the other party.

If you guys feel this passionate about it, (As I do) write letters to your Democratic senators and when He's inaugurated, President-Elect Barack Obama about how you believe your Second Amendment rights should be protected.

I know you guys will say it won't make much a difference, but every little bit helps.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-05 17:30

>>39

How is that Amendment outdated? Law abiding citizens should have every right to own a weapon in their homes without question. While I do agree that some gun laws try to restrict criminals from obtaining them, (And rightly so) those same laws should not restrict responsible gun and weapon owners.

If any Constitutional Amendment is outdated it's the Third Amendment!

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-05 17:45

>>43
Writing letters to Obama begging him to respect your 2nd amendment rights would be like writing letters to Sarah Brady to do same were she elected president.  It won't do shit.  Obama has zero respect for the 2nd amendment and thought the D.C. handgun ban was constitutional and supported it prior to the Supreme Court saying he was wrong. 

That said, you can't just sit by and do nothing.  Yes I'm going to write the letters.  But I'm just saying its stupid to vote for Obama and then expect to be able to just write him some letters and get him to put aside his gun control agenda since you told him it isn't to your interest.  Obama is anti-gun, and we now have an anti-gun president - the most rabidly anti-gun president in US History.  My only hope is that he and the congress will be too busy with other shit to pass any new sweeping gun bans or restrictions on 2nd amendment rights, and hope that those aging judges on the Supreme Court can hang in there another 4 years until we (hopefully) get a republican president who will appoint judges who will protect our rights instead of the kind of "evolving constitution" shithead judges Obama wants to appoint.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-05 18:06

>>45

Right, and I agree with you. Thankfully everything does balance out since the Judges were appointed by different presidents like Regan, George Bush Senior, Clinton, George Bush Junior. I think there is one that's still there that was appointed by Jimmy Carter no?

Putting that aside, I don't understand why it became part of the "liberal" platform to ban guns and be anti-gun. It doesn't seem so "liberal" to me to restrict guns to citizens. This is the only thing that actually pisses me off about voting Democrat.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-05 21:07

>>46
Because modern liberals are not the same as classical liberals.  They have abandoned the principles of small government and individual liberty that our founders supported and have embraced new values - equality and big government.  (And when I say equality, I don't mean equality of opportunity or equality under the law, I mean "equality of result" - its a very different concept.)

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-06 17:51

>>39
here's a better argument for the 2nd amendment. GUNS ALREADY SATURATE THE AMERICAN MARKET. how do you plan to get rid of them all?
wave your magic dildo?

you cant whine and bitch about the 2nd amendment being useless in modern days without coming up with a working way to get rid of the guns already here.
the fact is that you have a better chance of rounding up all the people who own guns and killing them than getting their all the guns in the US. and because you cant even hope to find and remove the guns in US, you therefore face the consequences of leaving only hardened criminals with access (albeit illegal access) to guns if you attempt to ban them.
what do criminals care about getting a few dozen extra years in prison for having a gun illegally if they want to rob, kill, or rape someone? sure, add another 20 years on top of his LIFE SENTANCE for murder, that'll keep the criminals from wanting to touch a gun.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-09 10:08

American constitution is the word of god and shouldn't be touched. We need to revert to 18th century standards. I know these things, trust me.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-10 19:54

The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others.

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Name: Anonymous 2008-11-11 12:26

i don't know anything about the us constitution but since you're talking about amendments here.. can't they make an amendment that negates all the previous ones?

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-11 13:33

>>52
yes

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-11 19:40

yes, but it would be unconstitutional and therefore illegal.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-16 12:27

There is no reason at all why citizens should have guns. Cry more.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-16 19:57

if everyone had no guns,  or everyone had a gun id be happy.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-16 21:12

>>56
everyone should have as many guns as they want.

...but i should have the entire supply of ammo because, quite frankly, i don't trust any one of you motherfuckers.

Name: RedCream 2008-11-16 23:32

>>55
Here's a great reason which completely overrides anything you say to the contrary:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-17 13:23

>>55
unlimited troll works

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-18 1:43

Gun ownership and training should be mandatory for over 16s.

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Name: Anonymous 2008-11-20 2:09

>>58
Liberals don't care about the constitution.  If they really liked the constitution, they wouldn't be trying to "evolve" it into something it wasn't, claiming its a "living document."  They wouldn't be claiming there are rights in the constitution that don't exist (abortion, Roe vs Wade) while simultaneously claiming that rights that clearly are present (such as the Second Amendment) don't exist.

Name: Anonymous 2008-11-20 2:11

The constitution isn't a "living document," it is a "legal document."  Those laws have specific and precise meanings, and you don't need to be a lawyer to see that the 2nd Amendment was meant to protect a right of the general public to own guns.

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