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The Lisbon Treaty

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-12 5:00

Hey /newpol/. I just voted no.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-12 5:49

>>1
fucking commie nigger

Name: Where!?!?!? 2008-06-12 8:46

NIGGER???? where's the Nigger!?!?!? get'em!!!

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-12 9:33

>>1
faggot

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-12 11:52

Voting yes makes you a commi.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-12 12:01

fucking irish drunkards biting the cock that fed 'em

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-12 12:03

Derail the neoliberal agenda!

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-12 12:41

>>7
By voting "yes"?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 8:23

East Galway: 50% turnout

60%/40% to the No vote

haha

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 10:05

>>1
Good for you, but you're still Irish.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 10:10

>>1
I commend your vote, sir.  Good work.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 11:26

Proof that democracy does not work.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 11:36

>>12
So the lisbon treaty was passed even though more people voted no?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 14:47

>>/r9k/920082

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 15:17

>>13
No, it's just that the general populace is way too ignorant for referenda. There should be no reason to force people who don't want to find out about things to decide on anything important. Especially when the decisions affect half a billion people.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 15:56

>>12
Since when did "it didn't go my way" = "democracy doesn't work"?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 16:15

>>16
Since when have they not been so?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 17:45

Ireland voted no to Lisbon treaty.

As an Irishfag, I feel so ashamed. I would like to destroy that moron Ganley, he is a retarded idiot and doesn't know what he was talking about. The entire treaty was a good idea because it consolidated the EU and would have made it into a stronger presence globally.

I voted yes, and I'm pissed off...

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 18:13

>>18
Can't the EU just not include Ireland?  What exactly does a tiny island like Ireland have to offer the mainland?  Isn't this just another way for bureaucrats to force laws and taxes on your country?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 20:02

Fuck the Lisbon Treaty until at least free speech is guaranteed in all of the EU nations.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 20:18

>>4,6,15,18,19
Sod off.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3058
A pan-European dictatorship is just not the best thing to have right now.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 22:20

>>21
Ahh, and here is the butthurt nationalist conspiracy theorist. How's the weather there?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 22:25

>>22
Wait... I just made the mistake of my life and looked at the website. Man, have I underestimated the potential retardation at hand... Eurabia huh? Luckily there is substantially less of you retards in Europe than in America, and I don't know why the fuck the Irish voted no, I haven't been following this closely, but surely it's not DERP DERP DERP EURARABIA DERP DERP ISLAMIC CONSPIRACY

Name: sage 2008-06-13 22:27

>>22
Conspiracy implies illegality and, sometimes, secrecy, whereas they have made it quite clear that they plan to do this through legal means.
The weather is excellent.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 22:38

>>23
Why exactly would Ireland vote yes?  What do they have to gain from giving up their sovereignty?  And what does the EU have to gain from incorporating a tiny country like Ireland?  What's so great about the EU anyway?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 22:51

This document is complicated and virtually unreadable but, trust us, there's nothing bad in it.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 23:00

>>26
More like I'm too dumb to understand anything, so I'll just vehemently oppose anything that my meager mind can't grasp

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 23:03

>>24
Except such a plan only exists in the minds of retarded reactionaries, and crying so citing completely irrelevant bullshit doesn't make it true. Enjoy your basement humidity.

>>25
Look! The kid typed his first words!

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 23:17

>>28
That doesn't answer any of my questions.  Are you a troll, or do you just not know?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-14 0:02

>>29
Are you a retard, or are you just in denial, crying about meaningless rhetoric?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-14 0:33

>>30
No, seriously, can you answer the questions above?  You seem to be all for the EU and Ireland's involvement in it.  I'd like to know why.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-14 0:49

>>31
No, as I said, you are a retard posing retarded rhetoric questions. Some retards make it as if it was a vote for revoking independence, and your sentiments seem to be in this line.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-14 1:32

>>32
My questions were not rhetorical.  I'd really like to know, why the fuck is it a big deal whether or not Ireland signs the treaty?  If you can't answer that's fine, but don't act like you have a stick up your ass when someone asks a question.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-14 2:02

There are a lot of conspiracyfags who oppose the treaty, but Ireland is a country that accepted the euro and the treaty allows provisions for member states whom do not wish to entirely comply with the constitution so it cannot be said the majority are irrationally nationalistic or fearful of losing sovereignty. It is wrong to dismiss people's legitimate disagreements with the constitution as making "it as if it was a vote for revoking independence".

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-14 2:44

>>33
You still can't get it through your thick head, can you? You cried WHY GIV UP SOVREIGNTY???? - There is no answer to this, because no one is giving up sovereignty, retarded loser, your questions were simply shitty rhetoric with no factual basis only serving to invoke emotional response from nationalistfags - while if you could read and learn, you would have known reality, and how fucking stupid and irrelevant your "non-rhetoric" questions were.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-14 19:53

>>35
Listen, faggot, you can't tell me what my questions mean, because you fucking didn't ask them.  There was no crying.  In fact, the only person crying around here is you.  You whine and piss and bitch and moan every time someone says something that isn't in absolute harmony with whatever you believe.  And if you want to talk about facts you should present some yourself.  You're the emotionally explosive reactionary asshole who never supplements his arguments with facts.

Now, considering:
- The Lisbon Treaty would abolish the national veto - the right to say "No" - in 61 areas, over issues such as energy, health and foreign policy.

- It would allow EU judges to decide for how long Ireland should lock up its criminals and what rights should be granted to migrants.

- And it would tighten further the EU's guidelines on public spending, which discriminate against long-term investment in services like schools and hospitals.

Can you offer any reason as to why Ireland should have accepted the treaty?  If you can't, then shut the fuck up.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-14 20:20

>>36
BUSH IS SOSHALIST

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-15 1:15

>>36
Thanks for proving your retardation once again, too bad your crying has no connection to facts yet once again.

If we look at >>25, we see "What do they have to gain from giving up their sovereignty", while you now cried denying ever saying it. Congratulations on having a memory on par with the rest of your meager mind. Continuing, that post was a reply to a post ridiculing the retardation of the "source" cited - a completely delusional conspiracy theory website whose believers should seek mental help.

Now that we are through with why you had failed, and needed to post that butthurt response, if you knew a thing or two, you'd know that the things you cite are not completely true, and in their correct form they are no violation of national sovereignty. Does it increase the involvement of EU? Yes. Is it a bad thing? Only if you cry BAWW GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY EURABIA NEW WORLD ORDAH. The EU isn't controlled by some martians and it follows an extremely decentralized way of moving - necessary for the fragmented Europe to become a global player again, all the while improving the living conditions internally,  Ireland itself had its economic boom very influenced by EU subsidies, and now they carry their own weight, helping Eastern Europe. If you are a retarded loser who buys every piece of shit churned out for morons, it is natural for you not to see why they should have accepted it. If you are a moron who has no foresight, then it is natural for you not to see it. Enjoy your failure.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-15 4:03

So, in other words, you can't give even one (1) good reason why they should have accepted the treaty.  If you could, you'd simply state it and have me shut up.  Instead you, yes you, cry in a paragraph long maelstrom of butthurt and cruise-control-for-cool.

Also, I never denied what I said in >>25, but I guess you're the type who sees whatever he wants to see, rather than whats really there.

I'm not the one talking about conspiracies or eurabia, I simply asked, "what does Ireland have to gain?".  Apparently that's such a horrendous offense that you can't even stop spewing hate for two seconds to give a proper answer.

I don't know why you bother posting on this board when you never offer real discussion points or cited information (which you seem to value so much, despite never providing it), but if it keeps your blood pressure I'll keep arguing with ya.  fag.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-15 7:51

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-15 8:11

>>39
So in other words you admit that you are a retard who can not read or understand yet once again. Read post >>38 again and again, and maybe your retarded mind might get a glimpse. Note that I'm not telling you to do a simple google search, look around for information etc. because you have proven yourself incapable of learning countless times.

I don't know why you bother posting even though you are a retard who gets owned in every post by exposing his ignorance on every subject, ignoring logic and facts when shown, and then crying BAWW NO FAKTS EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE HERE ABOVE ME, I'M JUST TOO RETARDED TO UNDERSTAND - LOOK AT MY ZIONOFASCISM BLOG AND OTHER RETARDED CONSPIRACY THEORY SITES, THEY'RE THE REAL FACTS!!! SCIENCE IS LIES!!! BUSH IS SOSHALIST!!!!

If you enjoy getting owned, which you seem you do, I'll keep exposing your retardation as long as it amuses me, loser. Keep deluding yourself.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-15 19:05

>>41
owned?  hahaha oh wow.  I had a feeling you were an angsty, underage newfag, but this leaves no doubts.  I'm almost surprised you didn't spell it with a 'p'.  Stop playing Halo once in a while and maybe you'll add a few new words to your vocabulary.  You might even find out debates and arguments are not about "owning" the other person, but PROVING the validity of your opinions.

But again, for all the ranting and raving you do about facts and reliable sources... you just can't seem to provide any.  As if posting a link were more work than spewing out the same garbage in caps ad nauseum.

You should really read some of RedCream's old posts.  He was a fantastic troll, far better than you, and he provided facts and sources for his arguments.  Study up on a real troll and come back when your testicles descend.

(Also, I know you imagine whatever words you'd like to see on the screen, but not once did I mention: Bush or socialism, nor did I question science or reference a conspiracy blog.)

Name: sage 2008-06-15 20:20

>>41
Caps means defeat.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-15 23:48

>>42
I see that reading, and following a thread are not your strong suits. Read again, and keep crying. Also BAWWW DAT RETARD WASN'T ME BUT I CLAIM THE SAME THINGS SO SOMEHOW I'M NOT AS RETARDED was fun too. I'm sure you'll stop crying once you can read, understand and face reality.

>>43
Indeed, they exemplify the retarded childish rants which are, naturally "defeated".

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-15 23:58

>>44
No, they clearly underscore your inability to make a real case for your own stance.  Your butthurt copy pasta is getting stale.  Better come up with something else, newfag.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-16 2:45

>>45
I see that lack of memory goes hand in hand with low intelligence. All the facts necessary were posted, sorry loser - you'll just have to keep crying.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-16 7:55

Stop paying attention to the butthurt troll and focus on the real issue. Ireland has voted no to Eastern European lolis.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-16 15:20

>>47
Why do you like lolis?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-16 17:47

>>47
The Lisbon treaty has absolutely no effect on Eastern European lolis being in Ireland or not.
>>48
Newfag.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-17 17:31

>>49
I'm not a newfag, I have just never heard anyone explain why they like lolis. Can you explain?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-17 19:35

>>39
There are many good reasons for this treaty. One is that as long as it is not ratified the treaty of Nice is in effect which is extremly shitty and ineffective.
One concrete thing were "Ireland" for example looses now is: if the European Elections are held in 2009 after the treaty of Nice rules Ireland has lesser members than it would have with the Lisbon treaty, because "the maximum number of seats allocated to a state would be lowered to ninety-six, from the current ninety-nine, and the minimum number of seats would be raised to six, from the current five."
Now you if you now think that the European Parliament is a joke that does not have to interest you, you fail. In effect it has become a very powerful entity. That you and so many other European citizens are not interested in what happens there only gives power to the people and organisations that do.
The powershift away from the national level to the supranational level cannot be reversed, you can vote "no" on everything and wave your national flag as much as you want. If there are no legal structures under democratic control on the European level that work, there will be other structures "extra-legal" that are working, Multinational corporations for example, sects or the stronger countries will impose their interests on the smaller. Also think about how ridiculusly small Ireland is and most European countries on the global scale. Even Germany, the most populous and strongest does not really impress anybody in the world, Britain and France are laughingstock in their decay, not to speak about Italy and Spain: nor the USA, Russia, China really give a shit about them nor do the lobbies of the MNCs. So if the EU is weak, it's citizens will have their interests more likely dictated by the entities that are stronger, and that is not Sinn Fein believe me.
National "sovereignty" is one of those concepts were the flag-fetish is always revoked, but if you think of it: the normal citizen of Europe would be more powerful in a united and strong Europe than in a weak, by having his interests defended on a global scale. In the EU of the Lisbon treaty every country still had it's balance, plus the democratic representation make sure that in those 61 fields decisions are to be taken that are true compromises. Think about what every European country really can move in those areas alone and you will see that there is not much of an alternative.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-18 14:59

>>51
Sorry, still doesn't explain why a nation would want to give up its sovereignty, you dumb nigger.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-18 19:50

>>52
fail troll is fail.

>>51
Thanks for response.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-20 18:33

>>53
About 52, thought so as well. Another thing I forgot to mention, why the "no-voters" that are all for Irish "sovereignty" are idiots. The treaty of Lisbon entails the possiblity to step out of the EU, the treaty of Nice does not.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-20 19:08

It appears the Czechs are also opposed to the treaty
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7465448.stm

Name: RedCream 2008-06-21 2:43

>>55
Cue further Eurotard BAAAAWWWWWWWWING.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-21 8:02

>>56
Is that how brain damage looks like? Does it show as grammatical impairment?

Name: RedCream 2008-06-21 14:02

>>57
Is that how brain damage looks like? Does it show as grammatical impairment?
Is this a new, peculiar way that a Eurotard goes "BAAAAWWWWWWWW"?

Do you know how to use Google, Eurotard?  Put in "BAAAAWWWWWWWW" or one of its many derivatives and see what you get ... that is, once you're done BAAAAWWWWWWWWING.

P.S.  And your European Union?  Yeh, kiss that fucking GOODBYE.  Sorry, you just can't convince all the nations to surrender sovereignty to some elites in Brussels.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-21 22:00

>>58
Repetition does not make anything right. Your simply a flag waving, ethno-fetishist moron, without an opinion apart from a couple of provincialist commonplaces. However, sovereignty is an illusion in the age of globalisation and a lie told to you by elites that fuck you in your prole-ass while you have no clue what's going on and they get rich selling your shit.
By the way, you want your country out of the EU? You should have voted yes to Lisbon, than you could have. Now you are stuck in it, with the worst rules ever, congratulations.
Your pride in your ignorance is extremly pathetic, read a book for a change.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-21 22:01

>>58
Repetition does not make anything right. Your simply a flag waving, ethno-fetishist moron, without an opinion apart from a couple of provincialist commonplaces. However, sovereignty is an illusion in the age of globalisation and a lie told to you by elites that fuck you in your prole-ass while you have no clue what's going on and they get rich selling your shit.
By the way, you want your country out of the EU? You should have voted yes to Lisbon, than you could have. Now you are stuck in it, with the worst rules ever, congratulations.
Your pride in your ignorance is extremly pathetic, read a book for a change.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-23 18:00

>>59
>>60
>Repetition does not make anything right.
wut

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