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The Lisbon Treaty

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-12 5:00

Hey /newpol/. I just voted no.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-15 8:11

>>39
So in other words you admit that you are a retard who can not read or understand yet once again. Read post >>38 again and again, and maybe your retarded mind might get a glimpse. Note that I'm not telling you to do a simple google search, look around for information etc. because you have proven yourself incapable of learning countless times.

I don't know why you bother posting even though you are a retard who gets owned in every post by exposing his ignorance on every subject, ignoring logic and facts when shown, and then crying BAWW NO FAKTS EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE HERE ABOVE ME, I'M JUST TOO RETARDED TO UNDERSTAND - LOOK AT MY ZIONOFASCISM BLOG AND OTHER RETARDED CONSPIRACY THEORY SITES, THEY'RE THE REAL FACTS!!! SCIENCE IS LIES!!! BUSH IS SOSHALIST!!!!

If you enjoy getting owned, which you seem you do, I'll keep exposing your retardation as long as it amuses me, loser. Keep deluding yourself.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-15 19:05

>>41
owned?  hahaha oh wow.  I had a feeling you were an angsty, underage newfag, but this leaves no doubts.  I'm almost surprised you didn't spell it with a 'p'.  Stop playing Halo once in a while and maybe you'll add a few new words to your vocabulary.  You might even find out debates and arguments are not about "owning" the other person, but PROVING the validity of your opinions.

But again, for all the ranting and raving you do about facts and reliable sources... you just can't seem to provide any.  As if posting a link were more work than spewing out the same garbage in caps ad nauseum.

You should really read some of RedCream's old posts.  He was a fantastic troll, far better than you, and he provided facts and sources for his arguments.  Study up on a real troll and come back when your testicles descend.

(Also, I know you imagine whatever words you'd like to see on the screen, but not once did I mention: Bush or socialism, nor did I question science or reference a conspiracy blog.)

Name: sage 2008-06-15 20:20

>>41
Caps means defeat.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-15 23:48

>>42
I see that reading, and following a thread are not your strong suits. Read again, and keep crying. Also BAWWW DAT RETARD WASN'T ME BUT I CLAIM THE SAME THINGS SO SOMEHOW I'M NOT AS RETARDED was fun too. I'm sure you'll stop crying once you can read, understand and face reality.

>>43
Indeed, they exemplify the retarded childish rants which are, naturally "defeated".

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-15 23:58

>>44
No, they clearly underscore your inability to make a real case for your own stance.  Your butthurt copy pasta is getting stale.  Better come up with something else, newfag.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-16 2:45

>>45
I see that lack of memory goes hand in hand with low intelligence. All the facts necessary were posted, sorry loser - you'll just have to keep crying.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-16 7:55

Stop paying attention to the butthurt troll and focus on the real issue. Ireland has voted no to Eastern European lolis.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-16 15:20

>>47
Why do you like lolis?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-16 17:47

>>47
The Lisbon treaty has absolutely no effect on Eastern European lolis being in Ireland or not.
>>48
Newfag.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-17 17:31

>>49
I'm not a newfag, I have just never heard anyone explain why they like lolis. Can you explain?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-17 19:35

>>39
There are many good reasons for this treaty. One is that as long as it is not ratified the treaty of Nice is in effect which is extremly shitty and ineffective.
One concrete thing were "Ireland" for example looses now is: if the European Elections are held in 2009 after the treaty of Nice rules Ireland has lesser members than it would have with the Lisbon treaty, because "the maximum number of seats allocated to a state would be lowered to ninety-six, from the current ninety-nine, and the minimum number of seats would be raised to six, from the current five."
Now you if you now think that the European Parliament is a joke that does not have to interest you, you fail. In effect it has become a very powerful entity. That you and so many other European citizens are not interested in what happens there only gives power to the people and organisations that do.
The powershift away from the national level to the supranational level cannot be reversed, you can vote "no" on everything and wave your national flag as much as you want. If there are no legal structures under democratic control on the European level that work, there will be other structures "extra-legal" that are working, Multinational corporations for example, sects or the stronger countries will impose their interests on the smaller. Also think about how ridiculusly small Ireland is and most European countries on the global scale. Even Germany, the most populous and strongest does not really impress anybody in the world, Britain and France are laughingstock in their decay, not to speak about Italy and Spain: nor the USA, Russia, China really give a shit about them nor do the lobbies of the MNCs. So if the EU is weak, it's citizens will have their interests more likely dictated by the entities that are stronger, and that is not Sinn Fein believe me.
National "sovereignty" is one of those concepts were the flag-fetish is always revoked, but if you think of it: the normal citizen of Europe would be more powerful in a united and strong Europe than in a weak, by having his interests defended on a global scale. In the EU of the Lisbon treaty every country still had it's balance, plus the democratic representation make sure that in those 61 fields decisions are to be taken that are true compromises. Think about what every European country really can move in those areas alone and you will see that there is not much of an alternative.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-18 14:59

>>51
Sorry, still doesn't explain why a nation would want to give up its sovereignty, you dumb nigger.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-18 19:50

>>52
fail troll is fail.

>>51
Thanks for response.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-20 18:33

>>53
About 52, thought so as well. Another thing I forgot to mention, why the "no-voters" that are all for Irish "sovereignty" are idiots. The treaty of Lisbon entails the possiblity to step out of the EU, the treaty of Nice does not.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-20 19:08

It appears the Czechs are also opposed to the treaty
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7465448.stm

Name: RedCream 2008-06-21 2:43

>>55
Cue further Eurotard BAAAAWWWWWWWWING.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-21 8:02

>>56
Is that how brain damage looks like? Does it show as grammatical impairment?

Name: RedCream 2008-06-21 14:02

>>57
Is that how brain damage looks like? Does it show as grammatical impairment?
Is this a new, peculiar way that a Eurotard goes "BAAAAWWWWWWWW"?

Do you know how to use Google, Eurotard?  Put in "BAAAAWWWWWWWW" or one of its many derivatives and see what you get ... that is, once you're done BAAAAWWWWWWWWING.

P.S.  And your European Union?  Yeh, kiss that fucking GOODBYE.  Sorry, you just can't convince all the nations to surrender sovereignty to some elites in Brussels.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-21 22:00

>>58
Repetition does not make anything right. Your simply a flag waving, ethno-fetishist moron, without an opinion apart from a couple of provincialist commonplaces. However, sovereignty is an illusion in the age of globalisation and a lie told to you by elites that fuck you in your prole-ass while you have no clue what's going on and they get rich selling your shit.
By the way, you want your country out of the EU? You should have voted yes to Lisbon, than you could have. Now you are stuck in it, with the worst rules ever, congratulations.
Your pride in your ignorance is extremly pathetic, read a book for a change.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-21 22:01

>>58
Repetition does not make anything right. Your simply a flag waving, ethno-fetishist moron, without an opinion apart from a couple of provincialist commonplaces. However, sovereignty is an illusion in the age of globalisation and a lie told to you by elites that fuck you in your prole-ass while you have no clue what's going on and they get rich selling your shit.
By the way, you want your country out of the EU? You should have voted yes to Lisbon, than you could have. Now you are stuck in it, with the worst rules ever, congratulations.
Your pride in your ignorance is extremly pathetic, read a book for a change.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-23 18:00

>>59
>>60
>Repetition does not make anything right.
wut

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