What is conservatism? Belief in free markets, free people, and in the greatness of the American people and the American nation. These principles are, in the eyes of people who aren't morons, fatuous slogans and overripe bullshit.
So conservatism, in short, is about wanking. Governments fuck up a lot, especially if you don't like governments. And that's it? Well, congratulations. You can see why any government elected on a platform of self-contempt would have trouble perpetuating itself. Of course, in reality, "conservative" politicians are not immune to the blandishments of power, as history rather spectacularly teaches us.
The real problem with "movement conservatism" is that it is reactive and deluded. Global warming is real. The Iraq war was a grotesque mistake. The mainstream media are not Democratic partisans. Gay marriage is not going to destroy America. And so on.
The real problem with "movement conservatism" is that the only people left who believe in it are completely crazy idiots.
ITT we recite preposterous partisan political claims as if they were statements of fact.
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Anonymous2008-05-25 14:30
>>3
whatever. even conservatives know conservatism is dead. why do you think the republicunts put McCain forward for this election? because they knew they would never win with dyed in the wool conservitards like Romney or Huckabee. And even if McCain wins, he won't promote good old William Buckley values.
look at where you stand. the evangelicals are increasingly nuts and are alienating the youth. the ron paultards are hemorrhaging away from your party. the economy is in the shitter so the middle class hates you. even the military doesn't trust you guys now. hispanics see that your anti-immigration sentiments have easily spilled into anti-latino sentiment. Even Jenna Bush won't vote republican this year.
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Anonymous2008-05-25 14:49
>>4
LOL I do believe that what your referring to is the death of the 60's radical left liberals.
McCain is about 60 to 70% conservative. That's not bad considering this should be a landslide year for democrats.
McCain is your next President and that definetly speaks to the weakness of Liberalism.
>>7
There there, no need to cry just because you believe in outdated fairy tales...
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Anonymous2008-05-25 20:16
We'll see who's crying in November.
America has been given a choice between a lukewarm, wishy-washy Rockerfeller Republican and a Democratic candidate who will be one of two persons:
One is not only a woman, but a woman who has dedicated her entire lifetime to the most insane lunatic-fringe far-left politics and large sections of the electorate consider her the Antichrist.
The other is a Halfrican-American puffed-up empty suit, all mugged up with the Chicago Democratic Machine, whose sole experience in national politics is one single four-year term representing an especially odious and necrotic slum district in Chicago. He had successfully avoided saying anything about anything and admitting to having any opinion or position about anything at all until he slandered about 85% of the electorate and let working-class whites know just how he feels about those stupid honky hicks in Flyover Country.
We're going to see, all right. We're going to see.
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Anonymous2008-05-25 20:30
You really underestimate the hicks in fly over country. They still hugely approve of George W. Bush. Calling Mccain the next Bush isn't a bad thing in their eyes.
Never underestimate the dumb hicks in fly over country. They have insight and wisdom into the world that nobody else.
lol. Grandpa McCain is already older than his father and grandfather were when they died of old age. I hope he can hang on till the election.
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Anonymous2008-05-26 1:12
>>9
Hilary?? Far left? Bah! She's actually on the RIGHT side of the scale! It's just America doesn't exactly have a varied political system and Americans get boners when they hear "free trade" so we're stuck with Conservative Right-Wingers for now.
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Anonymous2008-05-26 1:34
RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL
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Anonymous2008-05-26 6:09
>>12
HURRRRRRR DURRRRRRRRR NO SHE'S COMMIE, AND BUSH IS LEFT-WING SOOOSHALIZST TOO HURRRRRRRRRR
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Anonymous2008-05-26 6:29
>>12
The average conservative is so narrowminded that a millimetric twitch to the left in the right-wing corner corresponds to COMMUNIST in their spectrum formed by their ignorance, and the fact that they don't know the definitions and meanings of ideologies don't help at all.
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Anonymous2008-05-26 7:49
Conservatism isn't dead - if you consider that dead, then it was always dead. There will always be people unable to adjust to new times, and cling on to middle-eastern lore.
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Anonymous2008-05-26 16:35
>>15
Oh how original. I've never seen anyone say that before. Also I frequently hear conservative pundits calling liberals communist and never hear liberals accuse conservatives of being fascist.
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Anonymous2008-05-26 16:47
Conservatism isn't dead. The conservative party is going to win the general election in Britain, and is already THRASHING labour at the polls.
I think the old skool conservatism is largly struggling, the "paleo-conservatism" is failing slightly. I definitly don't think we're moving into an age of people completely disconnected with the past, and only concerned with eating and fucking and having gay sex with one annother, like the left would like us all to be.
Liberalism will have it's influence in the west for the next 50 years, but after we start getting used like bitches by china, india ect we will see more conservative nutters bent on bringing WW3 to fruition. The south will rise, if there are any white people left by then, which I don't think there will be.
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Anonymous2008-05-26 16:58
>>17
Except, liberal isn't left-wing by the universal definitions, it just appears so to the retarded minds of conservafags which invalidates your whole "point".
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Anonymous2008-05-26 22:23
>>19
I think it is more the case that Marxists in the US prefer, for reasons George Orwell explained quite thoroughly in several of his novels, to call themselves anything other than what they are. "Liberal" is one such meaningless Newspeak term they use for themselves, "Progressive" is another, "Social democrat" is another.
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Anonymous2008-05-27 0:15
The real reason conservatism is dead in America is every party has to pander to the spic/nigger/minority vote. It's gonna get a lot worse too.
I think "Bringing hundreds of thousands of illegals into the country and giving them amnesty to gain votes" isn't the same as "Working hard and listening to the concerns of the electorate to gain votes".
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Anonymous2008-05-27 10:09
>>26
oh, how silly of me to think that immigration and the United States were somehow related. i guess a dinky, nonsensical, unenforceable immigration law from the 70s should guide our national policy from here on out
Shut up. I mean it's hardly giving the American public a choice when you boost the population by 15% with illegal immigration and then pander to that demogrphic. It's just like manufacturing a voting bloc.
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Anonymous2008-05-27 11:49
>>27 "unenforceable immigration law from the 70s"
It's rather older than that, and it was enforced pretty strictly and pretty effectively prior to about 1980, when the Democrats figured out that crippling the Border Patrol would bring happy straight-Democrat-ticket voters into the country by the million.
>>28
Especially when that artificially-created voting bloc votes the straight Democratic ticket pretty reliably when given enough food stamps, ¿right esse?