People who base their decisions on appearance and NOT on behavior are just lunatics and morons, and we more moral people can safely disregard them.
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Anonymous2008-04-28 19:16
>>4
That's all fine and well, but too many people use this moral and political argument as an excuse to deny the truth about race.
>>3
That's a libfag classic. They manage to find an insignificant error in an 800 page book like The Bell Curve and they act like they have refuted the whole thing.
Once again, RedCream to the rhetorical pontification liberation front. Truth is, we seperate each other by differences even as slight as though they may be to segregate ourselves as individuals, but shame, impotence, and extinction sets in when we discover we are all alone because of the same action. FOR FUCK SAKE! GROW THE FUCK UP! And as for >>5, yeah! All REEDCram does is point out one flaw and thinks he's back on top, KING O THE HILL...of bullshit that is! To disregard appearance as insignificant and only focus on behavior is to ignore the entirety of the individual in the first place. Hear that, RedChin, ya ignorant overweight scruffy lookin bastard. Put down the cheezy poofs, stop multi-tasking between this forum and World of Warcraft or Everquest and get "back to reality. Your mom's on crack and your sister's got nut stains on her back." -Insane Clown Possy
>>5
That's why we have the Second Amendment. Minority groups can keep and bear arms and shoot the racist motherfuckers when they find themselves under siege.
>>6
Hush. The adults are talking and you're just interrupting. Now go and play, and when dinner's ready, we'll call you. SCOOT!
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Anonymous2008-04-29 4:57
There are differences between races but they are only significant when a large group of individuals from those races are pushed to their limits, such as the olympics.
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Anonymous2008-04-29 8:23
>>8
And how are they insignificant when Blacks in the U.S. have an average IQ of 85 and Whites an average IQ of 100, when IQ predicts a LOT of microeconomic and macroeconomic phenomena and virtually seals the economic fate for groups? Having an economic underclass that, to say the least, and don't deny it, 'looks' a certain way while there are libfags lying about equality and such nonsense will only cause trouble.
>>9
DERP DERP DERP DERP AVRAG AYE KWOOO DERP DERP DERP DERP I HAVE AN IQ OF TWELVE BUT DAT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE I HAVE PALE SKIN AND THAT SOMEHOW MEANS I'M BETTER THAN ALL BLACKS DUE TO AVRAG!!!!!
FEW DAYS AGO I LEFT MY BASEMENT AND ACCIDENTALLY GOT A BIT OF SUN, SO THAATS WHY I'VE BEEN FEELING SO STOOPID...
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Anonymous2008-04-30 5:42
>>12
Actually, it's the average skin colour of a group based on the genome and not phenotype.
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Anonymous2008-04-30 8:50
>>12
Why does skin colour alone have a correlation of 0.92 with IQ?
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Anonymous2008-04-30 8:51
If a liberal does not disprove everything in this book soon I will have no choice but to start being racist against people I deem genetically inferior. They haven't even made a start.
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Anonymous2008-04-30 9:12
>>14
Because IQ ~co-evolved with low temperatures, which ~co-evolved with skin colour. Average skin colour of a population has an even higher correlation than race and IQ, and with that high a correlation discriminating by intelligence based on average skin colour is pretty much justified when talking about populations. :)
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Cocks2008-04-30 9:33
>>15
I can disprove several things in the book, but I'm not a liberal. Niggers are still intellectually and behaviourally inferior to humans due to their genome structure.
This popped right up: Heritability is the amount of variation in a trait due to the genes. A heritability of 1.00 means that the differences are inborn and the environment has no effect. A heritability of zero (0.00) means the trait is controlled by the environment and not at all by the genes. A heritability of 0.50 means that the differences come from both the genes and the environment.
The heritability of a trait is mostly based on both the population and the trait involved.
A heritability of 0 does not mean that a trait is not controlled by genes, it means that the trait is not controlled by genes in a said population. Despite that, it would be pretty hard to drop it to plain 0, whatever it was. That is, if we're actually talking about biological traits. For example, speaking English has a heritability of 0.
A heritability of 1 does not mean that the environment has no effect. Stochastic effects can account for significant differences. E.g., see bacteria culture studies and C. elegans longevity studies. In these examples genetically identical populations (So genes account for no difference.) are grown in the nearly the same environment. And yet there is significant variance in the populations.
Anyway, he only makes that mistake in this short text and not his methodology.
if you couldn't comprehend it up to now, who says you'll be after this? Once you ignore the truth to satiate your bad feelings about failure at life, you don't quit.
in b4 hating racists is racist
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Anonymous2008-04-30 12:26
>>18 in b4 hating racists is racist
No, but hating racists is discriminatory. Since racists aren't really made up of a single race (though most libfags consider that only Whites can be racists, whereas in reality they are the least racist, thus anti-racism as a political ideology can very well be a racist attack against Whites) it is not a racist action.
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Anonymous2008-04-30 13:19
>>19
No, I'm pretty sure I hate retards regardless of their complexion.
>>20
I do too. Since the anti-racists' spatial intelligence is lower than most Bushmen's if they can't distinguish between races (unless they are, of course, lying) I can safely pin them as retards.
>>22
This really is funny now that I think about it. The irony is hilarious. A retard, building his life on pseudoscientific bullshit to satiate his butthurt feelings about being pathetically retarded, saying this... It's brings a sad smile to people who have a functioning nervous system.
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Anonymous2008-04-30 17:34
It is impossible to prove "race" as understood by retarded racists doesn't exist to them, because to their tiny minds every piece of scientific fact is jew lies, while on the other hand centuries old disproven notions are science to them, and the facts disproving them are again jew lies.
You know in those documentaries where they show primates learning 200 words as if it was a great thing, I think they should show racists on those programs. These people, despite having minds capable of only formulating the most primitive Aristotelean logic chains can stop at red lights, drink water without drowning, and even finish schools and get jobs, buy flowers to their girlfriends or wives. These should be shown not only in documentaries, but also in religious channels where they show some bugs and flowers and that way "prove the existence of god", they should show these weird organisms.
>>26
I have to say this is quite remarkable. I'm surprised how clear the racial lines seem.
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Anonymous2008-05-01 3:57
>>26
Thanks for proving the point, retarded loser.
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Anonymous2008-05-01 5:42
The maturity from the liberal side itt is amazing.
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Anonymous2008-05-01 7:06
The idea that race is a social construct only has appeal to those who have been severely psychologically affected by racism. Most of those who have actually experienced racism eventually recover and put their extremism behind them, however the multitude who simply perceive everything to be racist(usually a result of the heavy propoganda of social liberal cliques) rarely relinquish their extremism. There is likely to be a factor behind both their desire to see racism everywhere and the inability to eventually mature and see sense.
>>26
HAY GUYS, I SAW DAT ME AND MY FAMILY SHARE MORE GENES THAN OTHERS, SO THIS SOMEHOW JUSTIFIES RACISM AND ANNULS EVERY SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH DONE IN THE LAST CENTURY DISPROVING THESE RETARDED NOTIONS, AND ALL THAT NATURE VS. NURTURE RESEARCH WAS JEW LIES ANYWAYS, SO BRB GENOCIDE
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Anonymous2008-05-01 22:45
>>31
Are you replying to 30? If so, well, damn really you are stupid.
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Anonymous2008-05-02 6:05
>>32
You're right, your childish beliefs about equality have been falsified by modern genetics.
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Anonymous2008-05-02 6:55
>>33 >>34
Good response to a troll, short and to the point. However you could have pointed out that the troll is using a strawman argument and no one here has said that anti-racism is neccesarily extremism, sharing genes equals superiority or that nurture does not play a role in developping someone's abilities.
>>34
If by modern genetics, you mean the 19th century, yes... Other than that, no respectable scientist shares your delusions, but you have that covered with "jew media", and "watson conspiracy", right retard?
>>35
Enjoy your inability to comprehend the truth, and cling on to pseudoscience to feel better about your pathetic self. Also, lots of circle-jerking and crying about DA STRAV MAN and BAWWW AD HOMINEM BAAWWWWW even though the arguments suggesting that you are retarded are far stronger than the irrelevant bullshit you copy paste and claim AY PROVVD RAYSIZM LOOK AT ME!!!!
>>38
(>>34 here)
I gave you the link to a 2008 paper proving race as defined by modern genetics, and the genetic structure graph of diverse human populations. Human races empirically exist on a genetic level, using the exact same criteria for other subspecies such as the tigers'. That you don't want to admit scientific facts because they aren't in tune with your retarded 19th century ideology, albeit slightly updated to deny human races, is your own prerogative.
>>42
>proving
keep telling yourself that to live with your own inadequecies. Not to mention that it's hilarious that you kept crying thanks to your inability to respond to any of the points there, simply because you can't. That retard is you.
>>40
If you think that was pointing out logical fallacies, then you are retarde-oh wait, I already said that didn't I? Keep crying then, loser.
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Anonymous2008-05-02 14:45
>>41
No, but >>41 is the same retard as above, who simply looked at the screen and wept and/or raged as he saw >>25 exposing how his simple mind functioned.
Of course, the retard ignores the things he is incapable of answering, and posts more of irrelevant bullshit his pathetic high-school dropout mind which needs the feeling of superiority can't judge as irrelevant and meaningless. Nurture being more important than nature is a solid and proven fact, unlike your perpetual whining, pseudoscientific crap, or completely irrelevant stuff you somehow think proves your butthurt delusions (OH HAY I HAVE MORE GENES CLOSER TO MY PARENTS THIS JUSTIFIES RACISM SOMEHOW IN MY PATHETICALLY TINY MIND).
Keep crying about how an ideology held only by uneducated basement retards is scientific while the whole scientific community frowns upon it. Keep crying about how enviroment is irrelevant even though a third grader could see it more clearly than your pathetic self. Keep crying about anything you want, because all you do is expose your own insecurities, expose why you needed to believe in this lie.
But of course, you're going to answer this with more crying as you are too pathetic to live with yourself without clinging to such delusions.
>>48
"..label anyone who AREN'T as retarded as you as "liberal"."
The irony is almost too much to bear..
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Anonymous2008-05-02 17:33
>>50
Aww look, the butthurt neocon kid doesn't even know the meaning of irony.
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Anonymous2008-05-02 17:41
>>51
Let me explain it to you: See, the irony occurs because >>48 is talking about labeling people as retarded, when he himself is so retarded he can't even write a proper sentence.
I'd say that's pretty ironic...
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Anonymous2008-05-02 18:26
>when you label anyone who aren't as retarded as you
That's not even an innocent typo, it's the inability to distinguish plural from singular.
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Anonymous2008-05-02 18:27
But I won't fixate on this. A silly mistake has no bearing on his argument, as much as it reveals his intelligence.
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Anonymous2008-05-02 18:50
Oh, of course, a singular-plural mistake I make in my third language is an indication of intelligence, riight. How many languages do you speak, retarded faggot? Not to mention, of course, the fact that how you couldn't answer any of the things mentioned other than making various sounds of whining.
Not to mention, how pathetic do you need to be to make four fucking posts about a grammatical error? I guess that thrilled you too much, seeing that it was the only one thing you could actually reply to.
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Anonymous2008-05-02 18:52
>>55
I speak 3 languages, fluently.
Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of you.
>>56
I'm sure you do. That's why you think making a singular-plural mistake is an indication of fluency in a language. Oh well, I guess all those certifications were wrong, a retarded racist in 4chan who can't formulate conscious thought is a more reliable authority on the subject, clearly. And still, there is the fact that you couldn't answer anything, including the point that why you cried so much about a grammatical error.
>>60
Your retardation has been confirmed by being wrong on all three claims you made, based on your ignorance. Just for future reference, Cyrillic alphabet is used by languages other than Russian - that makes about as sense as saying English and German are Latin.
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Anonymous2008-05-02 19:01
>>61
Come back when you have ceased crying, and can answer any of the argu-oh wait, you can't.
Are you guys for real or are you just spanking your monkeys? Of course race and gender and all forms of segregation exist, part of that is what makes us individuals; but, WTF is this talk of that it doesn't exist at all? Oh, to dismiss or deny things that have undesireable traits (pretty much the things that make us human) are repressed just the same as all things and it pisses me off every time I have to read it on asshole threads like these! SUCK MY BUMPY COCK YOU HORNY DEVILS!!!! BLAAAAAHHH!!!
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Anonymous2008-05-03 5:57
>>84
Ahahaha so you admit you're yet another fruity college libfaggot, shouldn't you be tempting your sociology/liberal arts/african american studies professor to reach into your pants?
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Anonymous2008-05-03 6:01
>>85
Specifically the libfags are blaming all the differences on "social constructs" despite scientifically valid evidence, both observable and genetic, that racial differences are not entirely environmental. I can understand if they were profoundly affected by racism, but most of these people have lived pleasant lives in a 1st world country pretty much free from racism yet are convinced they are living in a dystopia oppressed by "the man" and everything is racist.
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Anonymous2008-05-03 6:04
>>87
>SCIENCE
"Science" somehow believed only by basement retards, right.
>>89
You do realize that it is the same crap that was posted in the beginning of the thread, which was pointed out to be irrelevant for racism, not to mention the fact that racism is a belief exclusive to basement retards, I think your explanation was "the jew media suppresses the truth, so the scientists can't speak about this TRUTH they accidentally disproved last century".
>>90 which was pointed out to be irrelevant for racism
'pointed out' != proving.
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Anonymous2008-05-03 8:39
>>92
Oh, I see, saying 2+2=/=5 doesn't make sense for people of your intelligence...
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Anonymous2008-05-03 10:23
>>93
It does, but you haven't said that. Merely saying that racial differences are irrelevant for racism (which is, basically, a label for people recognising racial differences) which is on its face ridiculous doesn't magically make it so. Moreover, your hissy fit about 'jew media' (only mentioned by you or your camp >>25>>32>>38>>90 in this thread in supposed support of denial of racial differences) and your constant appeals to anonymous authority about race being disproved when all recent studies say otherwise (that human genetic variation is clustered and falls across geographic lines). Stop projecting your childish, basement-dweller thoughts onto others and cry moar libfag.
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Anonymous2008-05-03 10:34
>>94
More denial, and apparently you don't realize there are people outside this textboard. What exactly is your excuse for the fact that only retarded basement dwellers are racist? Because previous responses I got were "evil libfag media covers the truth" etc.
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Anonymous2008-05-03 11:36
>>95
1) Well, since a lot of biologists and physical anthropologists are, er, racists: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/112759433/abstract Responses to surveys of faculty at Ph.D.-granting departments indicate that 67% of biologists accept the concept of biological races in the species Homo sapiens, while only 50% of physical anthropologists do so.
I don't see how your statement holds weight. But this doesn't matter. Academia is in a state of filth anyway due to both neocon and leftist interventions. Facts and empirical data do.
2) I don't think it's the libfag media 'covering the truth' in the case of human ecology -- in fact I'm pretty sure they don't, for the most part. There's a LOT more bias when it comes to psychometrics. The only people still advancing the idea that race is a social construct are political radicals, basement dwellers, and people with a really low spatial intelligence.
I can explain at length your egregious lack of judgement if you wish to tell me WHY (specific arguments) you think that race is an invalid taxon for humans. If you'll continue with ad hominems, appeals to anonymous authority or appeals to ignorance that are bunk now (early studies of the genome), I win.
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Anonymous2008-05-03 11:48
>>95
>What exactly is your excuse for the fact that only retarded basement dwellers are racist?
I remember this one time with alot of college friends, all considered themselfs "liberals", all would denounce racism in public. This one time I was down the pub with them, and I was drunk and thought I'd test thier reactions so I just say "Look at the fucking nigger over there!" and they all looked, none of them girls and boys about six of them said a word to me about it or since. Was really incredible.
On a later date I said "nig nog" about some black person standing about looking though, my lady friend pipes up and tells me about her experiance in a local town where she went into a club and to her horror it was almost all negro. And I go (just for kicks) "Yeah, fucking jungle monkies taking over the country. Why we don't stop all blacks comming here I don't know. Fucking bunch of animals", and she agreed.
Shit is hilarious, honestly. You don't have to be as extreme as me, people know me as an very extreme and ecentric person, they let alot of shit slide with me beacuse I'm not serious 70% of the time. Just do it lightly and build up, a little racist slip wilst ur drunk ect. It's fun to see how people really feel when they think they know your position.
I'm not really racist tho. I couldn't give a shit tbh. If I see a nigger I think nigger, if I see a paki I think paki. Even if I see a white man I can think "nigger" sometimes.
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Anonymous2008-05-03 11:59
>>97
The only logical conclusion is that you are a nigger, since niggers are allowed by libfags to say nigger.
Other supporting evidence: themselfs [...] thier [...] experiance [...] monkies [...] comming [...] ecentric [...] beacuse [...] wilst
>>96
Of course "you win", with perpetual denial and citing irrelevant stuff. BIYOLOJISTS ARE RAEESIZST, right, but as it has been repeatedly told and your retarded mind couldn't comprehend, this "biological races" crap you are crying about is as meaningful as you being related to your own fucking family, and holds no applicable meaning. The rest of the crying about NIGGER AYE-KWOO BAWWW has been conclusively disproven by nature vs. nurture research, and even if it wasn't it doesn't warrant your butthurt delusions to feel better about your pathetic self and discrimination. Reminds me of how craniometry was "scientific basis" for slavery once, even though it had absolutely no meaning.
Enjoy your retardation, and BAWWW AD HOMINEM BAWWWW EVEN THOUGH THE ONLY WAY A PERSON COULD BRING ITSELF TO BELIEVE IN SUCH PATHETICALLY STUPID THINGS IS BEING EITHER RETARDED OR IGNORANT BEYOND OBLIVION BAAAWWWWWW
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Anonymous2008-05-03 12:12
>>98
Yes, it's true.
Recent studies have shown that >>97 is a nigger.
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Anonymous2008-05-03 12:42
>>100
But those studies also imply the very high probability of you being a nigger.
>>99
You are truly delusional. Relatedness, family-wise is biologically MEANINGFUL. How can you possibly deny something like that? Ever heard of KIN SELECTION you dumb cunt?
As for NIGGER AYE-KWOO, it has been conclusively proven by nature v. nurture research that it is genetics.
IQ is highly heritable. http://www.springerlink.com/content/t0844nw244473143/ General cognitive ability yielded a heritability estimate of about .80 in two assessments 3 years apart as part of the Swedish Adoption/Twin Study of Aging. This is one of the highest heritabilities reported for a behavioral trait.
Random niggers in transracial adoption (by rich White families) still have an average gap of ~15 as opposed to random Whites adopted by rich White families, despite it supposedly being 'nurture', which cannot be explained by a falsifiable nurture theory. Source: John Loehlin (2000) "Group Differences in Intelligence" in Sternberg (Ed.) The Handbook of Human Intelligence. pp 185. Table 9.3
As for craniometry: http://www.people.vcu.edu/~mamcdani/Big-Brained%20article.pdf
It's relevant, idiot.
Enjoy your ignorance.
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Anonymous2008-05-03 14:25
>>103
Meaningful, but irrelevant to the topic, but your retarded mind yet again can't comprehend this simple fact.
And, the fact that you cry about IQ heritability proves your ignorant retardation, as not only it is an arbitrary measure of intelligence, it has been proven to be largely dependent on environmental factors.
And of course, defending the definitively disproved centuries-old pseudoscience of craniometry is the final nail in the coffin, and proves your ignorance and retardation, yet you make a hilarious and ironic comment in the end, funny.
Also notice the fact how your retarded mind was incapable of answering not only the portion you tried to address, but also couldn't even come up with shitty excuses or more irrelevant/pseudoscientific documents about the fact that even if it was true it wouldn't justify any sort of discrimination on the individual.
Cry more, retarded racist. With every tear you expose more and more of your ignorance and inadequacies.
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Anonymous2008-05-03 14:53
>>104
Full of liberal guilt.
Can't get the nigger dicks out of his mouth long enough to acknowledge the truth.
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Anonymous2008-05-03 15:05
Anyway white 'mericans are like over 10% black in blood on average so everyone is a nigger here.
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Anonymous2008-05-03 15:08
>>106
Ummm, yeah.
You keep thinking that, Mr. YardApe.
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Anonymous2008-05-03 15:15
>>104 And, the fact that you cry about IQ heritability proves your ignorant retardation, as not only it is an arbitrary measure of intelligence, it has been proven to be largely dependent on environmental factors.
Since the heritability is ~.8 in adulthood as I had sourced and the rest is conditioned by non-shared environment, it's empirically not highly environmental. And of course, defending the definitively disproved centuries-old pseudoscience of craniometry is the final nail in the coffin, and proves your ignorance and retardation, yet you make a hilarious and ironic comment in the end, funny.
Your anti-racial mythology has been disproved whereas my points come from peer reviewed articles. Cry more, retarded racist. With every tear you expose more and more of your ignorance and inadequacies.
Actually, your lack of sources and appeal to libfaggotry in contrast to me makes you look like a moron. Cry more, basement revolutionary. >>106
If that were true, there would hardly be Blacks anymore.
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Anonymous2008-05-03 16:00
>>106
That'd make everybody an octoroon. You will pardon me, of course, if I find that difficult to believe, unless you can show me some evidence, won't you?
Seriously, I'm fucking tired of you. Always writing in all caps and misspelling words attempting to make fun of people who believe there is a heritable difference in IQ between races (and failing horribly in doing so), and calling those people retarded. Why don't you explain WHY it is so retarded to think there might be a heritable difference in IQ between races?
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Anonymous2008-05-03 17:30
BAAAAWWWWWWWWWW IT DOESN'T MATTER IF ONLY RETARDS AGREE WITH ME, I COPIED AND PASTED TWO SHITTY AND IRRELEVANT ARTICLES FOUND VIA GOOGLE SEARCH, AND HOW DARE YOU MAKE FUN OF MY RETARDATION BY EXPOSING MY FALLACIOUS WAYS OF THINKING, I DARE YOU TO WASTE YOUR TIME TO FIND THINGS THAT MY RETARDED MIND WILL IGNORE, AS CLEARLY SOMEONE WHO IS SO PATHETICALLY IGNORANT AND STUPID AS ME DENIED ALL COMMON SENSE TO BECOME A RACIST IN THE FIRST PLACE, SO I'LL JUST CONTINUE CRYING NOW
However the dedication of this particular troll whom appears in every thread with the same all caps strawman strongly suggests it is a butthurt minority attempting to emulate the bigotry he himself has been profoundly trolled by.
Such inferior specimens have had every opportunity to argue that variation between individuals within a race is more significant than variation between races and we should all be judged by merit. Unfortunately being judged by merit is the last thing these people want, it is as if they would prefer to be bullwhipped back into the cotton fields than admit they are incapable and it should be a crime to force future generations to have their corrupted genes.
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Anonymous2008-05-03 20:10
>>116
Spoiler: You're a retard who got butthurt by your inability to respond to those "all caps strawman" posts, which actually expose your retardation and ignorance. Also note the hilarious self-contradiction on the latter portion of your posts, it is the retarded racists who want "special rights" so that their failure in meritocracy would be covered with privileges given to them due to their complexion, and state this explicitly. With that, I'll let you resume your crying and denial.
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Anonymous2008-05-03 20:48
>>117
1) I haven't seen anyone ask for special rights, you seem to be imagining things as earlier in this thread.
2) Niggers free riding on the privileges they get from ideas of equality.
>>117
Racism and stating that there are differences between races are mutually exclusive. Differences in races does not mean that individuals should be judged by their race, it has little bearing on their individual merit. You can whine about racists all you want, but I am a meritocrat which means while I believe superior individuals should be given special privileges I do not believe special privileges should be dished out for arbitrary reasons.
Fuck equality. A team of 20 scientists who improve productivity in the US by just 0.1% are worth approximately 2 million workers and should be rewarded for their contribution by being paid in full with no extra tax.
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Anonymous2008-05-04 10:45
o wait make that 200000
durrr lol...
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Anonymous2008-05-04 10:50
>>122
>Racism and stating that there are differences between races are mutually exclusive.
rrrrrrrrrrrright.
>I believe superior individuals should be given special privileges
So, are you being a self-contradictory retard again? Because, if this is going to be given out from birth, then it isn't a meritocracy, if it is going to be won later, crying about race is meaningless, as a retarded white will fail more than an intelligent black etc.
What were you crying about then?
Also, I'm sure the rockefeller brat did more than all leading scientists, as he has more mone-oh wait...
>>122
Call me a communist, but I disagree on ethical grounds that 200000 of the poorest people's wealth should be in the hands of 20 scientists.
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Anonymous2008-05-04 13:07
>>127 is a communist.
Anyway, that guy was just a troll.
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Anonymous2008-05-04 22:52
>>124 Racism and stating that there are differences between races are mutually exclusive.
Asians are more prone to lactose intolerance, all doctors agree with this and base decisions on it when it comes to a crunch. Forensic scientists regularly use DNA and examination of bone structure to determine the traits of suspects and corpses. I guess they are all racist.
"if this is going to be given out from birth, then it isn't a meritocracy"
Correct.
"if it is going to be won later, crying about race is meaningless"
Correct.
Racism and stating that there are differences between races are mutually exclusive.
Therefore I never cried about race and thus have not contradicted myself.
>>129
>Racism and stating that there are differences between races are mutually exclusive.
So, do racist deny differences between races? No. You don't have to be a raving butthurt racist to recognize the differences between different groups, but to be racist you probably should mention some differences, therefore saying they are mutually exclusive is utterly wrong. So, you have failed on the third count too, but I think this is because you don't know the meaning of "mutually exclusive", so I'll let it slide.
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Anonymous2008-05-05 10:46
>>131
But one can believe there are differences between racist and judge people by their individual merit instead of their race.
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Anonymous2008-05-05 11:03
>>132
Yes, and one can believe they are differences and judge them by race - see, they aren't mutually exclusive.
Acknowledging differences between races is not mutually inclusive with racism.
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Anonymous2008-05-06 10:13
>>134
That's a fresh interesting opinion, but surely a person should be judged by their personal merit since some black people are capable of flying airlines and becomming doctors whilst some white people are capable of getting high on ice, wander the streets naked at 03:00 before passing out at the steps of a police station in their own urine and vomit before being woken up and stating "what u 'rresting me foh? I ain't done nothing". It is only that black people are more likely to do such things, consider the law of averages, lern2 math.
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Anonymous2008-05-06 14:53
>>137 >>132 >>131
What is the fucking point of recognizing "race" if you aren't being a whiny bitch about it? There are genetic differences between every person, and it is natural for them to be close together in concatenated geographic locations. Since no one can be 100% x race, "recognizing race" alone, is stupid - if you are being a whiny bitch about it, at least it is an excuse to do something, else, you are sucking up to pseudoscience for no reason, biologically as long as two can fuck and have fertile kids, it doesn't make a difference.
>>140
Craniometry IS a pseudoscience. All that whining about brachycephalic or whatever heads actually showed pretty much nothing.
Next issue: different people have different penis lengths, and this reflects their race. Science also showed that Jews have vaginas.
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Anonymous2008-05-06 15:14
>>141
I'm saying the same thing, idiot. It is the same thing as craniometry, which later turned out to make no actual sense, and didn't provide a definitive distinction. Some people had short heads, some had long etc. It is a difference, like the difference in genes, it just doesn't have 1-Any applicable meaning, provides no basis for discrimination 2-Doesn't provide any clear-cut distinction for determining who exactly belongs to what race. And contrary to what most retards here think, not everyone is busy with WAYT MEN vs. BLACK MEN. For example, one of the gene frequency researches showed that samples from Turks were more similar to samples from Finns before others, but Finns are among the smartest in Europe, and Turks the stupidest according to mass-IQ test.
>>143
More like not having a world-class education system, but that probably makes them more prone to believing in the supernatural.
Also, I worded that wrongly, they weren't the closest - it had some stuff about Greeks and Hungarians too, but I vaguely remember. But I remember that there was an unusual similarity, even though physically they look quite different from us.
The Human Genome Project came to this conclusion: only one biological race exists. All humans in the world today are classified as Homo sapiens sapiens (same genus, species, and subspecies). When the Human Genome Project published a draft of their findings in 2000, the New York Times reported that "the researchers had unanimously declared there is only one race—the human race."
All humans basically have the same skin color—a brown pigment called melanin. Although there are a couple of forms of melanin and other pigments and factors playing minor roles in skin color, every human basically has a brown color.
Lots of brown is called black, and a little brown color is called white. In actuality, no human really is "black" and no human is "white." There are not different colors but different shades of one basic color, brown.
While many factors are involved in determining skin color and the steps are very technical, basic genetics can help us understand the most important principles.
DOMINANT GENES result in lots of melanin and RECESSIVE GENES result in little melanin.
One might say: "I'll believe we are all one race when you can show me two black people having a white baby and two white people having a black baby."
OK, here you go:
A few documented examples of fraternal twins being "black" and "white" include:
1. The Hodgson-Horder twin girls (Born April 2005 in England)
2. The Biggs twin girls (Born July 2006 in Australia)
3. The Richardson twin boys (Born July 2006 in England)
4. The Grant twin girls (Born 1983 in England)
5. The Singerl twin girls (Born May 2006 in Australia)…Look them up.
So, it's not just "black" and "white." Bottom line: a person's skin shade (what is on the outside) should in no way invoke any sort of prejudice or racist comments.
Sure, most people suck, but their skin color has nothing to do with it. It's who they are as Individuals that determine their worth.
All this to say Racism is one of the most easily argued down points of view when presented with documented scientific facts. A point of view based on self-hatred, misplaced narcissism and misdirected blame.
>>147
Ok great, now at the next MOBO awards make a declaration that the whole ceremony is a farce because there's actually only one race, and all their black music and culture that is the essence of the event is erroneous because black people don't actually exist per se. Now think what reaction that would get.
My point is that even in your crude attempt to prove that there is no substantial difference between people of different 'races' genetically, you have failed to rule out race as a cultural factor. People act in accordance with their skin colour, make associations based on it and segregate themselves from certain things based on it. Racial differences are just as much kept alive by the cultures of different races as they are by outward appearance.
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Anonymous2008-08-26 18:10
Race exists because people make it exist. Black people and other racial groups act differently and separate themselves from other races. If people stopped 'defining' themselves so differently and acting so differently just because they've got different skin then there might not be race, but as long as they've got their own subculture race will always exist.