Holocaust callout

Hey /politics/, roughly a little over a week ago, I got into a trainwreck of a debate on /n/ regarding the holocaust, and that one archive- containing millions of documents totaling to 16 miles long- was brought up. Which had information on all the various victims of the holocaust. Then, someone brought up an email conversation they had with one of the archivists, asking if there were forensic documents indicating if any of the victims were killed by zyklon-b, which the archivists replied with no.

They still haven't replied to me asking the same thing, but it dawned on me: why the fuck would the germans have autopsies of the people they killed?

I'm posting this because the same guy asked me to post it here, and /n/ is just too much of a shithole, so....

>>1
Hey, that guy here.

I'll recap what I said about the Bad Arolsen archives:

Until 1978 it was part of the IRC (International Red Cross) and had a kind of "historical section" open to any researchers, published statistics etc.

Partly due to Arthur Butz, an American revisionist who dug in and noticed they verify the revisionist thesis, it then got dissolved, the access to researchers forbidden, the open publication of statistics prohibited, the annual report of activities became secret... [I should add, that kosher enough researchers could access them after 1978, only if they bear a special authorisation from about 10 governments who signed an agreement with the Archives, including Israel]

Thus, the media hype of "closed until now" is bullshit in the first place. IF the Bad Arolsen archives contained anything that would disprove revisionists, the Holocaust historians would have used it by now, wouldn't they?

Anyway, revisionists have managed to leak a couple of memos, in 1979, 1984, and in 1993. The latest known report cites 296,081 verified deaths recorded at Arolson, as of January 1993 (www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndstats.html) and gives a breakdown camp by camp. This total omits deaths at Chelmo, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka and the victims in the ghettos.

During the Zuendel trials, a guy working there has also talked about what's there: http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/10biedermann.html

One more aspect that is overblown about it is what the ITS also holds files for: millions of other deportees, especially non-Jewish forced labourers from Western and Eastern Europe, but also the victims of ethnic expulsions in Central and Eastern Europe after 1945.

Now, to answer your questions.
why the fuck would the germans have autopsies of the people they killed?
I did not say "autopsies" (though it may very well be included -- you do know that they had a health care system, hospitals, doctors etc.? And they did have several documented autopsies that I know of, but don't ask me to source them, it would be really hard from where I'm standed), I asked, like you said, about forensic documents indicating any victim of gassings. Which, in plain English, means if they established, with any sort of proof, a gassing victim. They unsurprisingly haven't.

Anyway, all of this is media hype. We already know what the ITS contains, and it's certainly not proof of what is alleged unless it is heavily modified, which I doubt. I'll post a pic later of a leaked memo if I find it, I think I have it somewhere. Having revisionists barred from researching it is, however, very telling. And it's not "opened" yet, at least not more than before.

I should rephrase
cites 296,081 verified deaths
to
cites 296,081 verified camp deaths of all origins.
:-)

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I just have one thing to reply to at the moment:

"I did not say "autopsies" (though it may very well be included -- you do know that they had a health care system, hospitals, doctors etc.? And they did have several documented autopsies that I know of, but don't ask me to source them, it would be really hard from where I'm standed), I asked, like you said, about forensic documents indicating any victim of gassings. Which, in plain English, means if they established, with any sort of proof, a gassing victim. They unsurprisingly haven't."

I meant basically the same thing. Exactly why would Germany hold forensic documents on the people they killed?

>>5
Well, that's the thing. The Nazis gave a cause of death in every document of every death (Sometimes they did autopsies to determine them, naturally). And we'll find precisely just that. We already know that the alleged number of camp deaths aren't in those files, rather more a number matching what revisionists say happened (check the VHO link above in >>2 for a breakdown per camp), and we know that they cannot tie homicidal gassings to any of the recorded deaths.

Saying that this will shut "Holocaust deniers" up is an argument from (supposed -- because revisionists had researched it for a while until they got barred) ignorance and laughable at best.

The Rudolf Report http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/trr/ already settled it in my opinion, there were no homicidal gassings as alleged at Auschwitz. 

>>6
you can argue the fine details all day still dosent mean the holocaust didnt happen.

>>7
It has grown into a full-fledged religion and you're proof of it.
But, I'll give you this: If the Holocaust happened as alleged, magic certainly had a lot to do with it. Sadly I don't believe in magic. :(

By the way, use the capital H or Jews might get pissed off.

"Well, that's the thing. The Nazis gave a cause of death in every document of every death (Sometimes they did autopsies to determine them, naturally). And we'll find precisely just that."

Why would they do this to people they killed themselves? That's all I'm wondering.

BTW, since I know little about this debate, I've been sending your posts to someone that actually knows about these things. Would you like me to post a link to the relevant forum discussion?

>>9
Why would they do this to people they killed themselves? That's all I'm wondering.
I don't really know why they would -- that's the thing. The Arolsen records, would, hypothesising that the Holocaust (gassings) happened, not prove that the Holocaust (gassings) happened because the evil Nazis would have faked the documents anyway according to them (and you). Circular logic is circular etc. How can they serve as proof?
If I misunderstood and you're asking "why would they do autopsies to people they've killed", while I remember one kooky eyewitness saying that they've done this for fun, I never said that they did them on people they've killed, rather on people who died, and there were plenty such people then and there falling under that category.
>>10
Well, I need to catch up on a lot of things too (like Mattogno's work), haven't been active in researching the Holocaust for a while (several years), and their latest arguments and ours. I've been kind of sickened by it all. "Dealing" with dead bodies or lack thereof is not a pretty thing.
I don't really care about it as much any more.
I can't see what's possibly wrong with my posts, except that I might have got the years wrong on those leaked memos (can't verify right now anyway, hope my memory is OK) and "about 10 governments" are actually 11, now that I think about it better.
I might have even said what I said as an honest Holocaust believer, if there is such a thing, minus some comments.

>>8
the only people who have created a religion out of it are the people who deny that it ever happened

Well christ. I don't even know exactly what you're arguing now. Again, I knew barely anything about this debate. I was just one of the people trolling the thread who thought it would be hammered by revisionists who were complete retards like that one douchebag accusing people of being jews, but look what happened. I seriously never even touch this debate because of how politicized it is, and I basically thought the archive was a trump card.

Are you sure you don't want to continue this elsewhere? Because he did reply to the first post you made, and well, it might go somewhere.

Or should I just link him to this thread and have him dissect from there?

LOL IF YOU BELIEVE THE HOLLOW HOAX

And one other thing- Himmler saying something along the lines of "the jews are being exterminated" was posted along with an audio clip in the thread, and a revisionist said it's been discussed extensively. Could you give an example of this?

>>13
Well, give the link.
>>14
Or do that.
>>15
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/thottc/10.html
http://www.codoh.com/trials/tristagch2.html
http://www.codoh.com/incon/inconhh.html Here's the full speech.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Letters/Auschwitz/Grubach_200707.html
And probably more I missed...
I'd like to make 2 points personally:
* The recorded speech seems like a forgery, because it was recorded on an older technology than available in Germany at the time, shellac tapes. AEG tapes were *very* widespread when the speech was made, and I see no reason to use obsolete technology other than the fact that the Allies had not made that "breakthrough" yet. Adding to what's been said about it at the Nuremberg trials, quoted in the first link.
* Since we have taken this speech for granted, let's look at another later speech by Himmler on November 23, 1942*:
“The Jewish question in Europe has completely changed. The Führer once said in a Reichstag speech: If Jewry triggers an international war, for example, to exterminate the Aryan people, then it won’t be the Aryans who will be exterminated, but Jewry. The Jews have been resettled outside Germany, they are living here, in the east, and are working on our roads, railways etc. This is a consistent process, but is conducted without cruelty.”

* Bradley F. Smith, Agnes F. Peterson (ed.), Heinrich Himmler. Geheimreden 1933 bis 1945 und andere Ansprachen, Propyläen, Frankfurt 1974, p. 200.

Oh and it's frivolous to use a stand-alone speech as proof of genocide, much less of unmentioned mass homicidal gassings.

Alright, here's the thread: http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=27619

And my post that prompted it: http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?p=474064&highlight=imageboard#post474064

BTW, it goes on abit before someone can answer my first post.

>>18
>>19

>The ITS never claimed to have accounted for all the victims, and anyone using the documents referenced by your friend - documents that describe how many the ITS has accounted for should include a BIG disclaimer.
I understand. Hence I said they won't prove anything NEW, unlike what the media says.

>As you friend points out, many camps are not mentioned as well as the ghettos. It should also be pointed out that the Eitzengruppen activities in Russia are not included (that's about 2 million) and that most gassing victims were sent strait to the gas chambers without being registered, thus there are another million or more not accounted for in any register.
Hence I said they won't prove anything, unlike what the media says. I did say death camps, I think, so Einsatzgruppen victims would, obviously, not fall under what I said.
>Oh, I should mention the famous death books from Auschwitz that supposedly claim the lists all deaths (or those recognized by revisionists), there is virtually no mention of death from Typhus, yet Typhus is mentioned as the reason for those massive crematoriums - strange - if there was not outbreak, why so many crematoriums?
I won't get into that, but revisionists put the death toll higher at Auschwitz than the Auschwitz death books, and the 'virtually no mention' is inaccurate IIRC. This is a red herring.

>Further, the ITS never conducted forensic exams, that was not its purpose and well outside its mandate - therefore any expectation of forensic details is false on its face, like the claim for autopsy reports, etc.
And any claim that it proves anything is just so.

>It is also my understanding that the ITS only issues death certificates upon request - but you could verify that if you wish.
Probably.

>And the red-hearing about hospitals at the camps, you friend should have mentioned the swimming pool, camp orchestra, brothel, etc. As if the presence of this somehow indicates that homicidal gassing did not take place.
I said that in relation to autopsies being taken.

I seem to be in agreement with your friend that the Bad Arolsen archives will not help Holocaustianity further its cause. Are we, then, done on the topic?

Not sure. Let's see what he has to say.

BTW, exactly which parts are you reply?

>>21 The ones without >
Anyway, there's no need to further this to him, I think he's pretty clear on this. Of course, if he's a true believer he will say that they will prove the Holocaust though. :-)
I don't really care though.
I meant it more like a reply to you anyway.

Those who say that the holocaust is a hoax are focusing in on one part of a two part event...originally it was an attempt to move the jews out side of germany...then when the germans relized they might not win the war they started to kill the jews.

>>23
Come on, you have to be fully ignorant of what timeline revisionism discusses to say that...

The Holocaust was not a singular event and no single item will prove it or disprove it.  I agree that the archives will not prove the Holocaust in its entirety, but it does show the scale of the event and the documentation behind it.  There will be no smoking gun, and the wished for forensic evidence will not be there - but damn, all those millions missing, what happened to them all?

The Holocaust was not a singular event and no single item will prove it or disprove it.
This is really the millionth time I've heard that as a counter-argument. Take the claims of gassings, then. I don't really want to focus on much else.
I agree that the archives will not prove the Holocaust in its entirety, but it does show the scale of the event and the documentation behind it.
I'm guessing it will show the "scale" that revisionists claim, and as you admitted, it will not prove deliberate murder.
If you claim that the Nazis murdered said Jews in said lists and lied about it, Ockham's razor says no, given the lack of proof. (Oh, except lie-witnesses) :-)
There will be no smoking gun, and the wished for forensic evidence will not be there
What about the Zyklon-B forensic (lack of) evidence (See the Rudolf Report)?
Answer me this: Is it possible to scientifically verify the alleged events?
but damn, all those millions missing, what happened to them all?
Where the **** do you want to find them?
This is really stupid, people who say this act like "If the Jews are not right now at the camps, all lined up and still there, it must mean that the revisionist thesis is wrong."
Jews are where they went.

If you want to debate this, come to the PHORA or RODOH, either will offer uncensored debate.  RODOH is run by a revisionist, but has many non-revisionists.

This Anonymous posting is to difficult to follow.

Ok you can spend all day arguing back and forth wether it really happened or not...but let me say this my great-grand father left poland just befour the war. He left his entire family behind bringing only his wife and two young daughters. The war breaks out and the entire family that stayed is never heard from again. Where did they go? What happened? And why would all thoes people who came out alive lie? People from diffrent countries and backgrounds and even in seprate camps all had the same stories of horror. Explaign that...they dont even speak the same language yet told the same stories. 

Number twenty eight, don't mind this thread. It is full of idiots. HOLOCAUST HAPPENED!

I'm new to this debate, but, what exactly is your claim about the Holocaust? That it didn't happen at all, or, it was really small, or, what?

Anyway, how do you explain the experience of the troops that liberated Bergen-Belsen?

From wikipedia:

The camp was liberated on April 15, 1945 by the British 11th Armoured Division.[2] Sixty thousand prisoners were found inside, most of them seriously ill,[1] and another 13,000 corpses lay around the camp unburied.[2] The scenes that greeted British troops were famously described by the BBC's Richard Dimbleby, who accompanied them:
“     Here over an acre of ground lay dead and dying people. You could not see which was which ... The living lay with their heads against the corpses and around them moved the awful, ghostly procession of emaciated, aimless people, with nothing to do and with no hope of life, unable to move out of your way, unable to look at the terrible sights around them ... Babies had been born here, tiny wizened things that could not live ... A mother, driven mad, screamed at a British sentry to give her milk for her child, and thrust the tiny mite into his arms, then ran off, crying terribly. He opened the bundle and found the baby had been dead for days.

This day at Belsen was the most horrible of my life

>>27
I had debated on RODOH before, though that was about three years ago. The official seal of RODOH should be one of their emoticons, because this is how 99% of the "debates" go: http://www.rodoh.info/emoticons/tread.gif :-)
However, I did not call for any debate. I merely said something which even decent True Believers should agree on: The Bad Arolsen archives will not disprove revisionists in any way, despite what the media says.

>>28
Some people died in WW2, the shock!
People from diffrent countries and backgrounds and even in seprate camps all had the same stories of horror.
You'd be surprised how rare this happens. Sometimes when I listen to some death camp survivors (oxymoron) I'm bewildered on how they make up technically and logically inaccurate shit on the way.

Also, the emotional side doesn't work on me, sorry.

>>29
Hello true believer.

>>30
I'm new to this debate, but, what exactly is your claim about the Holocaust?
For now, a distinct lack of proof for homicidal gas chambers.
Anyway, how do you explain the experience of the troops that liberated Bergen-Belsen?
The German government broke down at the end of the war, in the middle of a typhus epidemic at Belsen which the Germans were trying to stop. The pictures usually presented are of typhus victims. That doesn't stop Holocausters from misrepresenting what they show and blame the evil Nazis when in this case the Allies would be more blameworthy.
Please read:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n3p23_Weber.html
http://vho.org/tr/2004/1/Humm84-88.html
Or just look at this picture which is very telling: http://vho.org/tr/2004/1/Typhus.jpg
This day at Belsen was the most horrible of my life
Sorry to hear that. Did any of your superiors claim gas chambers that day?

naked bush
http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=9772872

Doesn't matter how many died, the Jews exploit the holocaust.

A Jew even admits it - Norman Finkelstein "The Holocaust Industry"

>>33
It matters how many died, and it matters if they died as a premise of policy.
About the alleged homicidal gas chambers, I'm sorry, but the emperor simply wears no clothes.

"(Oh, except lie-witnesses) :-)"

Whoa, lie-witnesses. What a great way to invalidate all those millions of people chiming in on the same thing. I wonder if you can bring something to the table other than arrogant bullshit like this?

"Where the **** do you want to find them?
This is really stupid, people who say this act like "If the Jews are not right now at the camps, all lined up and still there, it must mean that the revisionist thesis is wrong."
Jews are where they went. "

No, they're basically asking where they all went after this went on.

So, where are the millions that supposedly died? Debating the eyewitnesses is fucking pathetic with you people.

"This is really the millionth time I've heard that as a counter-argument. Take the claims of gassings, then. I don't really want to focus on much else."

So, do you have an actual counter-argument here?

>>35
Whoa, lie-witnesses. What a great way to invalidate all those millions of people chiming in on the same thing. I wonder if you can bring something to the table other than arrogant bullshit like this?
You're right, the millions of people who are supposed to have died having eyewitness testimony. :-)
I'll look for a link, but I've read only about 10000 have made such "testimonies" available.
Considering that Holocaust enforcers constantly disregard eyewitness testimony not used in trials when they are used against the Holocaust story as contradictory by revisionists, I can only point that this is fucking rich. Your hypocrisy is outstanding.
You are creating a straw man. Each eyewitness which has been discredited by revisionists has been given a reason to be so, upon analysis. You're talking as if revisionists have never done that at all.
>>36
No, they're basically asking where they all went after this went on.
Just take a sample of Holocaust survivors and see where they ended up: U.S., Israel etc.
So, where are the millions that supposedly died?
What? I'm asking that. Where are they?
Debating the eyewitnesses is fucking pathetic with you people.
You'll have to do better.
>>37
So, do you have an actual counter-argument here?
To "the Holocaust is too complex"? Yes. And I will just copy paste something from Wikipedia for you.
Irreducible complexity (IC) is an argument made by intelligent design proponents that certain biological systems are too complex to have evolved from simpler, or "less complete" predecessors, and are at the same time too complex to have arisen naturally through chance mutations. It is one of two main arguments intended to support intelligent design, the other being specified complexity.[1] The consensus of the scientific community is to reject intelligent design as not science,[2][3][4] but creationism.[5][6][7][8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity
Enjoy using shitty creationist arguments.

The "revisionists" themselves know fine well the Holocaust happened, they just write books denying it out of spite. Nobody is actually meant to take their work seriously. Or don't you find it suspect that almost all "revisionists" are known to be anti-Semitic Nazi sympathizers?

>>39
LOL @ your asinine comments.
This is probably exactly like what Christfags in the Middle Ages claimed about atheists or dissenters: "They know God is real, but they're just worshipping Satan. Burn them!"

"I'll look for a link, but I've read only about 10000 have made such "testimonies" available."

What sort of testimonies? Do you mean memoirs and full written accounts? Whoa, sorry, most people aren't going to churn that out. What about the hundreds of thousands of actual eyewitnesses? And camp guards? And nazis themselves?

"Considering that Holocaust enforcers constantly disregard eyewitness testimony not used in trials when they are used against the Holocaust story as contradictory by revisionists, I can only point that this is fucking rich. Your hypocrisy is outstanding.
You are creating a straw man. Each eyewitness which has been discredited by revisionists has been given a reason to be so, upon analysis. You're talking as if revisionists have never done that at all."

Might depend on which testimonies you're talking about. Pretty much every major historical event like this will have supposed eyewittnesses who are dissenters. I fail to see how a few dozen people who say it's bullshit out of the hundreds of thousands who say it isn't are lying. I mean, I've actually known survivors. I've seen their tatoos. Are they lying? Are the many who've gone into insane depression and have killed themselves over this lying? What's the story behind survivors? You fucking called them LIE-WITNESSES.

"Just take a sample of Holocaust survivors and see where they ended up: U.S., Israel etc"

Um, I'm talking about the millions of supposed victims. Where did they go?

"You'll have to do better."

It's pathetic because we're talking about so many insane amounts of people who've lived through it, who have seen it, who have the emotional and psychological and physical scars to back it up...

But, no, they were just getting deloused by those nice nazis. Oh, and getting typhus inejctions.

"Enjoy using shitty creationist arguments. "

Well, I don't see how this applies when we're talking about a subject of HISTORICAL REVISIONISM, not pure bullshit pseudoscience like ID. So, anything to counter that?

THEY KILLED THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY WERE BURDENED WITH THE GUILT OVER SUPPORTING THE HOLY HOLLOW HOAX ZIONKIKE MARXIST LIES!!!

ok i will ask this again what happened to my family left behind in poland why did they simply disappear and were never heard from again?

WTF is up with the tattoos on all thoes who survived the camps arms...and you fools you think the germans were actually stupid enough not to destroy the records...it would of incriminated so many people...the proof was destroyed by the germans end of story...the camps are still sitting there with the damn chambers still intact and giant furnaces that when they were found reeked of burnt flesh!

go ahead mother fuckers say it happen go for it then tell me why people who dont speak the same fucking language had the same story who were spread out in diffrent parts of poland so far away from each other how about when the camps were liberated the stories of thoes people just crawling through the streets begging for food so skinny that they might break with just the slightest touch...ok and how about all thoes ss officers who admitted to it under oath. 

But no according to you mother fuckers it never happened due to you wanting to belive some off hand conspiracy theory. wow you are almost as bad as thoes who actually think that elvis is still alive!

Hey revisionist guy, OP here. Sorry I was gone, I've been moving cross-country. I getting that phora guy to reply.

Hahaha, oh wow. Angry Jew, you're a complete tool. The question isn't wheter or not people died during WW2, or wheter or not people died in concentration camps (in fact, many did - many due to rampant sicknesses and malnurishment towards the end of the war. In part because supply lines were bombed by the allies).

The question is wheter or not there was an industrial-scale genocide towards jews and other so-called "undesirables". The camps are still there, yes. But there's no actual forensic evidence that there was gassing of human beings in those camps. The supposed gas chambers of, say, Auschwitz, were conveniently destroyed.

Someone mentioned tattoos: Tattoos on prisoners or convicts were not an uncommon practice - just like concentration camps in general, especially in wartime.

The admissions by SS officers were admissions during torture and whilst being under the threat of death penalty - They aren't worth squat.

The fact is that an industrial killing at the scale of the supposed Holocaust would've been impossible - just disposing of the bodies, during winter no less, would be impossible. Nor have any massgraves been found of supposed "gas victims" - most of the massgraves seen on photographs are victims of typhus or casulties of war.

Over and out, I'm not coming back.

>>49
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GIVE ME MONEY ANYWAY

>>49
no bodies... what do you think the giant ovens were for, pizza?
mmmmmm, chewy jew pizza....

>>48
Well, I haven't posted ITT since >>34, others did. :-)
It's too messy here to identify who said what. I never claimed to want to debate the Phora guy, by the way. If he however decides to pick on others' statements and attribute them to me, his loss.

The Niggers did it. Some coons from Africa where allowed to run the camps by the Germans. The Germans had man power shortages, and couldnt trust niggers to fight in the front. SO they decided to let them gaurd the camps.

Anyway the Niggers got drunk, and started shoting the camps up. "YO JEW HOMIE YAH DISSING ME?" They cried out as the popped caps in the hews. They then took the jew gold, and melted them down to make gold chains.

Oh course the Germans where angry at the naughty nig nogs, so they slapped them on the wrist, and banned them from KFC for the rest of the war. The Niggers defected too the allies after this, as they couldnt do without KFC. "I'm no longer down with the Ayran sect yah know wot I am saying?" They told the Allies.

That my frinds is what really happend during the holocaust

ᛋᛋ LOL JEWS ᛋᛋ

>>53
LOL'ed. But what about Zyklon-B killings? Niggers would be too stupid to open Zyklon-B canisters without killing themselves, so your theory falls.

"Hahaha, oh wow. Angry Jew, you're a complete tool. The question isn't wheter or not people died during WW2, or wheter or not people died in concentration camps (in fact, many did - many due to rampant sicknesses and malnurishment towards the end of the war. In part because supply lines were bombed by the allies)."

I've always liked that exscuse. "They died of typhus and other diseases  so leave the nazis alone!!!" That's like saying you can't be held responsible for the deaths of people you locked in your fucking basement for the same thing.

Oh, but this was mostly due to the allies. I hope to god you aren't offering up some cheap-ass apologetics.

"The question is wheter or not there was an industrial-scale genocide towards jews and other so-called "undesirables". The camps are still there, yes. But there's no actual forensic evidence that there was gassing of human beings in those camps. The supposed gas chambers of, say, Auschwitz, were conveniently destroyed."

Wait, there was NO genocide?

"Someone mentioned tattoos: Tattoos on prisoners or convicts were not an uncommon practice - just like concentration camps in general, especially in wartime."

Oh, of course. Then again, were the survivors lying about this? Why do they all somehow chime in on saying these hooked up with the genocide?

"The admissions by SS officers were admissions during torture and whilst being under the threat of death penalty - They aren't worth squat."

Yes. Those tens of thousands of SS members and other assorted german personnell lied under threat of torture. Fucking amazing.

"The fact is that an industrial killing at the scale of the supposed Holocaust would've been impossible - just disposing of the bodies, during winter no less, would be impossible. Nor have any massgraves been found of supposed "gas victims" - most of the massgraves seen on photographs are victims of typhus or casulties of war."

Weird, because the holocaust went on for several years, not just one winter, and there's also how many other genocides on a similar scale to the holocaust went on during similar time periods with similar technologies.

"Over and out, I'm not coming back. "

Well, nice to see you fold up on the topic of eye-witnesses- oh, I mean LIE-witnesses like all other revisionists do. BTW, could you seriously drop those lameass buzzwords in these debates like holyhoax, holocaustianity, lie-witnesses etc. in these debates? That lexicon you revisionists cooked up doesn't make you look funny or hardcore- no, it just makes you look like arrogant, self-aggradizing assholes.

>>56
Way to mix several people's posts.
I've always liked that exscuse. "They died of typhus and other diseases  so leave the nazis alone!!!"
That's like saying you can't be held responsible for the deaths of people you locked in your fucking basement for the same thing.
He didn't say that, he didn't imply that as far as I see. He said it doesn't matter whose fault in it in this debate, because this is not what "deniers" "deny." This [typhus, malnourishment, etc.] however isn't part of a plan of mass genocide.
Wait, there was NO genocide?
I see him talking about gas chambers. No, there were no homicidal gas chambers and you can't prove there were, to my knowledge.
Oh, of course. Then again, were the survivors lying about this? Why do they all somehow chime in on saying these hooked up with the genocide?
No, of course not. And tattoos also don't prove homicidal gas chambers.
Yes. Those tens of thousands of SS members and other assorted german personnell lied under threat of torture. Fucking amazing.
Wow, amazing.
Weird, because the holocaust went on for several years, not just one winter,
Weird, because the guy didn't say it went on for just one winter, he talked about the disposing of bodies during winter.
and there's also how many other genocides on a similar scale to the holocaust went on during similar time periods with similar technologies.
Do tell more.
Well, nice to see you fold up on [...]
Enjoy acting like everyone is the same person despite having announced that it's not in an earlier post.

>>55
I told you it wasnt gas. It was niggers carrying guns trying to be bling bling.

Irving v Penguin Books.

Know it. Love it.

>>59
I as a Holocaust non-believer do.
It's quite hilarious if you read the trial transcripts. They even put them up somewhere like holocaustdenialontrial.com... I lol'ed heartily on some of the shitty arguments presented by them. The best way to disprove Holocaust believers and make them look like retards actually lies on anti-revisionist websites such as nizkook and that one. :-)
The best thing about it is Irving is not even a revisionist, nor does he look like he read any revisionist literature, nor did he try to put forth a real argument against the Holocaust story, yet that didn't stop Lipstadt from making a total fool of herself.

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