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Proof niggers are dumb (IQ, brain size etc)

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-23 22:46 ID:et2rELvK

Oriental populations in East Asia and North America typically have mean IQs falling between 101 to 111. White populations in Europe, South Africa, Australasia, and North America have mean IQs of from 85 to 115, with an overall mean of 100. Black populations living south of the Sahara, in the Caribbean, in Britain, and in North America, average IQs of from 70 to 90.

Especially contentious was Lynn's calculation of a mean IQ of only 70 for Black Africans living south of the Sahara. Many reviewers have expressed skepticism about such a low IQ, holding it impossible that, by European standards, 50 percent of Black Africa is 'mentally retarded'. But a mean African IQ of 70 has been confirmed in three studies since Lynn's review, each of which used Raven's Progressive Matrices, a test regarded as an excellent measure of the non-verbal component of general intelligence and one not bound by culturally specific information.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-01 7:01 ID:RtKB6dv1

>>118
Hey, Hal.
Starting with the ad hominem and appeal to authority, nice. Textbook leftist.

No, but The Bell Curve has been soundly crushed and debunked for years now and not at the hands of "Crazy Lefties". Just plain ol' run of the mill scientists.

Hahaha. You're hilarious.

I'd like to see your rebuttal to the data gathered that I used -- income and social outcome. There is none as far as I know. The only so called rebuttals I had seen involve the conclusions of racial differences which make liberals squirm, and they are not valid. We can debate on that if you want. But you can, at least, tell me how the data I used (which was most handy) is flawed. Oh wait, sorry, I dare not ask a leftist for a proper justification for his childish religion.

But, I'm sure that whatever opposition is brought up in regards to your outdated and unrealistic ideals...you'll just blame lefties or Marx or whomever. Which is why my reply to you might not be exactly what you're looking for.

LOL.

I could talk about the link between these if you want, but I was asked about those 3 posts repeatedly when I wanted to elaborate and got told it didn't matter. Now it's your turn to answer to my questions.

By the way. You're still being trolled.
Of course, I will gladly give leftists a chance to step down from the debate, but just don't pretend you're trolling to have an excuse for being a moron. Can't you find a better one for not giving a proper rebuttal? It's getting old. Also, everything else I posted in this thread should get a response too. Not just  my response to (hopefully) your drivel.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-01 8:37 ID:B6HtBl/E

>>121

Whatever you say, Hal. You're still being trolled.
NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-01 8:43 ID:RtKB6dv1

>>122

Hardly. I thought you were going to give me your so called rebuttal?
Every time you say you're trolling just shows your intellectual dishonesty.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-01 9:22 ID:B6HtBl/E

[quote]D'oh. Your point being? Are you saying every haplotype should constitute a different race? What the fuck? No one has ever claimed that a haplotype = a race. LOL. You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about do you? There are (to my knowledge at least) 153 haplogroups and thus much more haplotypes.[/quote]

Many have claimed that certain groupings of specific haplotypes are ground for sub-grouping the entire human genome along racial lines. This is a false assumption based on suppositions made before any relevant scientific study was attempted.

Alright, I'm going to wrap this up really quickly here.

1. Anything you've written about leftists, Marxism and the like.

Accusing the opposition as being "leftists" is a tactic ranking right up there with McCarthyism in it's stupidity and inherent faggotry. Except that white nationalists have used this cop out since before the red scare, while seemingly ignoring the fact that in order to enact or express the political implications of your illogical and unrealistic beliefs you will basically *have* to give way to big government and socialism. Let's not forget that Nazi-era Germany (before the "burning of the jews") was not only fascist and corrupt but staunchly socialist. Any reference to your opposition being "lefties" who can't "face the reality of race" is instant fail.

I can tell you first hand that those in control of this country are never going to give you what you think you want because it would be literally setting sail for fail for the entire human race. All races and genders. Genetically, Socially, Politically. I can pretty much promise you that even if you somehow gathered concrete proof- it would mean fuck all to anyone with enough power to control the masses.

2. [quote]You seem to discard evolution and think that haplotype/haplogroup diversity proves racial mixing -- showing that you have no clue of what they are. Protip: It's supposed to be this way. Or you think that alien haplogroup variation prove significant racial mixing? But that goes against your saying that there aren't any races. You're not fooling anyone intelligent with your neo-Marxist sophistry used for the fooling of uneducated masses. Does a few percent admixture make any significant difference and is sufficient for the abolition of the racial classification? No. In fact, saying people are in the slight racially mixed just further proves races. And let's give a bigger example. Does 20% white admixture in American blacks make them indistinguishable from white Americans -- both in appearance and social statistics? No.[/quote]

It seems that way to someone with such simple thinking, but the truth is...if evolution is manifesting itself it isn't in the form of race. This would make evolution and very weak force in the genetic adaptability of mankind if this were truly the case. This is one reason why alot of scientists say that your "race biology" is pseudo-science. The implications of The Bell Curve spell doom for all of mankind. 

Secondly, I'm not questioning the existence of race. I'm questioning it's social, biological and political relevance. I'm questioning its overall relevance to intelligence, seeing as how intelligence fundamentally has no a priori definition. While "G" may show correlation to intelligence and success...so do alot of other factors. It doesn't show causation. Which, really is all that fucking matter here. Nevermind the fact that we still aren't exactly certain what "G" is in an a priori sense of the word.

As for how much difference these admixtures make...well I suppose that more depends who's asking and who's answering, doesn't it? I don't want the abolition of racial classification. The opposite. I think there are more of racial classes and sub-classes and history has shown us that it was only the last few hundred years where we great over-generalized race. "Whites" and "Blacks" and "Asians" are huge, huge, HUGE over-simplifications for what is going on genetically. The only reason this generalization is still taking place is for political reasons, liberal and conservative. If science and truth REALLY had it's way then there would many more classifications of race. Not the just arbitrary five or six that's has been doled out by our "masters".

Ok, now this where I'm done. The rebuttals to the rest of your posts can be found at the following links:

The Bell Curve

http://atrios.blogspot.com/2003/02/even-more-bell-curve.html
http://www.slate.com/?id=2416

Race and Intelligence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence (THE ARGUMENT NEVER FUCKING ENDS)
http://hmg.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/15/12/2025

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-01 13:56 ID:RtKB6dv1

>>124
Many have claimed that certain groupings of specific haplotypes are ground for sub-grouping the entire human genome along racial lines. This is a false assumption based on suppositions made before any relevant scientific study was attempted.
http://genetics.plosjournals.org/archive/1553-7404/3/9/pdf/10.1371_journal.pgen.0030160-L.pdf
http://genetics.plosjournals.org/archive/1553-7404/1/6/pdf/10.1371_journal.pgen.0010070-S.pdf
I had already talked about it in the parts that you didn't quote in my first response post. It goes along very nicely. It is *your* false assumption if you think that no relevant study was ever attempted.

The traditional division of human races clearly corresponds with haplogroups. The Europid race makes up a distinct lineage, both from the paternal (F) and maternal (N) side, that originated in the Near East 45 000 years ago. Europeans are actually a special sub-race, because they are composed of three F-subbranches (R1a1, R1b, I) that were isolated from the rest of mankind for 20 000 years and are mutually connected by maternal lineages.
The groups traditionally classified as "Australoids" could be taken as separate races, because they separated from each other as early as 50-60 000 years ago. Again, they make up a distinct lineage (Y-haplogroup C, mtDNA haplogroup M).

The Mongoloid race is actually a racial mixture stabilized between 30-10 000 years ago in the Far East from two (Paleo)europid (N, O) and one Australoid (C3) lineage, whereas the C3 lineage was probably the original source of the phenotype.

American Indians should be taken as a separate race. Their traditional grouping with Mongolids is very dubious; they actually come from a Central Asian Q-lineage closely related to European Cro-Magnons (R1) that dwelled around the Altai mountains up to 20 000 B.P. Then a part of them headed north-east and took some Mongolid women during the way to America. Here they stayed largely isolated for at least 15 000 years. The remaining Q-people in Asia are today's Kets, Yukaghirs, Nivkhi and Selkups (albeit heavily mixed with N-Mongolids).

Already told you about Sub-Saharan Africa.

The original haplogroups of Ainu consist of a male lineage D and a female lineage Y. The male lineage D belongs to the M-168 group of (mostly) non-African haplogroups E, D, F, C that started to expand from Africa 60-70 000 years ago to Eurasia. D was probably the last one of them that left Africa. It is not anyhow closely related to the "Australoid" lineage C, but rather to the Y-haplogroup E that stayed in Africa. However, it is true that D went the same way like C (along the South-Asian coast). Curiously, it is also present in the Andamanese, some Central Asian nations and in Tibetans.

As for mtDNA haplogroup Y, it is, technically speaking, of Europoid origin, because it belongs to the predominantly Europid mtDNA macrohaplogroup N. How it actually got to East Asia, I don't know so far. It could be brought there by N/O-men 30 000 years ago from Central Asia, but it is not closely related to any mtDNA haplogroup that is currently tied with the presence of N and O in East Asia. As far as I know, it belongs to N9-lineage that also occurs in China, Tibet and in Altaians and Nivkhi. Since D is also present in the same regions, the N9 lineage was very probably an old maternal lineage of the Proto-Ainu, who crystalized somewhere in Northern China/Amur region, where the diversity of this mtDNA haplogroup is the highest.

1. Anything you've written about leftists, Marxism and the like.
Accusing the opposition as being "leftists" is a tactic ranking right up there with McCarthyism in it's stupidity and inherent faggotry. Except that white nationalists have used this cop out since before the red scare, while seemingly ignoring the fact that in order to enact or express the political implications of your illogical and unrealistic beliefs you will basically *have* to give way to big government and socialism. Let's not forget that Nazi-era Germany (before the "burning of the jews") was not only fascist and corrupt but staunchly socialist. Any reference to your opposition being "lefties" who can't "face the reality of race" is instant fail.
I can tell you first hand that those in control of this country are never going to give you what you think you want because it would be literally setting sail for fail for the entire human race. All races and genders. Genetically, Socially, Politically. I can pretty much promise you that even if you somehow gathered concrete proof- it would mean fuck all to anyone with enough power to control the masses.

I obviously mean modern leftism, spawned by the Frankfurt school. Anyone with half a brain can understand that.

The abolition of traditional racial classification has clearly (Neo-)Marxist political background and was motivated by perceived unsolvable interracial conflicts and social inequalities in many Western states. Hence it eventually turned out that it would be better to pretend that there exist no races at all. Modern Western science is, to an unacceptable extent, a political propaganda. This is clear both in genetics and in psychology, fields revealing unbridgeable racial differences that must be covered for the sake of current dominant ideology. Scientists, who don't have an unshakable scientific reputation, rather don't risk any affiliation with these findings, otherwise they could lose their job. They thus rather swim with the current, as it is usual in history.

If you are so nervous that racial classification may contain inaccuracies, then we can abolish all classifications in all animals. The traditional racial classification in humans was not artificial, but stemmed from genetic differences that were now largely confirmed by population genetics.

What the fuck are you on about with White Nationalism, big government and socialism? What enactment of *my* so called illogical and unrealistic beliefs? You're the fucking idiots who push for a dysgenic nanny state, not I. What's unrealistic about it? Why do you talk about Nazism and the so called 'burning of the Jews?' (Of course it's a rhetorical question, since I know why -- instead of dealing with the leftist roots of race denial in academia, you rant about Nazis) Their corruption, I lol'ed. What corruption? I don't think they had much of that, but then again, I don't have the necessary Pravda sources to prove it. Protip: I'm mostly a libertarian. I hate big government.

Any reference to your opposition being "lefties" who can't "face the reality of race" is instant fail.
Actually, it isn't. It's highly accurate.

Then you go rant about what I supposedly want. LOL. What the fuck? Where is your so called rebuttal of the implications of leftists, Marxism and the like? It's just like the rest of this post, pure drivel.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-01 13:57 ID:RtKB6dv1

>>124

Also, what's with comments such as the 'human race'? What's that? Do you realise that If you don't cease with retarded leftist speech, I'll call on it. What's so hard to understand? Call it 'human species' or GTFO. 
It seems that way to someone with such simple thinking, but the truth is...if evolution is manifesting itself it isn't in the form of race.
Your opinion, you are entitled to it. Enjoy your freedom to be a retard.
This would make evolution and very weak force in the genetic adaptability of mankind if this were truly the case.
Because you say so? Obviously.
This is one reason why alot of scientists say that your "race biology" is pseudo-science.
Political correctness. Also, there are many that are starting to back away from race denial, especially with new evidence proving it every day, especially since recently. Regardless, I had proven my points in my replies to you.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=139378
Read this and weep. They acknowledge race.
The implications of The Bell Curve spell doom for all of mankind.
For your worldview, yes. I'm sorry.
Secondly, I'm not questioning the existence of race.
Why are you acting retarded, why did you say 'human race' etc. then?
Why did you say:
This is one reason why alot of scientists say that your "race biology" is pseudo-science.
then?
Flip flopping around the issue with contradictory statements, nice. Either that or you don't believe in science.
I'm questioning it's social, biological and political relevance.
As you well know by now, it's quite high, due to the heritability described in my second response post.
I'm questioning its overall relevance to intelligence, seeing as how intelligence fundamentally has no a priori definition.
Keep pretending to ignore it.
While "G" may show correlation to intelligence and success...so do alot of other factors. It doesn't show causation. Which, really is all that fucking matter here.
It's 'g' and it does show correlation and that's enough. Get a fucking clue.
BAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWW it doesn't matter.
It fucking matters.
Nevermind the fact that we still aren't exactly certain what "G" is in an a priori sense of the word.
Read some books/articles about 'g' then, or at least what's described in studies and the Wikipedia article on it. Your ignorance is not my problem, not that I did not expect it.
As for how much difference these admixtures make...well I suppose that more depends who's asking and who's answering, doesn't it?
What? No, it depends on genealogical DNA tests.
I don't want the abolition of racial classification.
But you said that
This is one reason why alot of scientists say that your "race biology" is pseudo-science.
The opposite. I think there are more of racial classes and sub-classes and history has shown us that it was only the last few hundred years where we great over-generalized race.
You think is a good word. If you stated it as any other than an opinion I would have to call you a moron.
"Whites" and "Blacks" and "Asians" are huge, huge, HUGE over-simplifications for what is going on genetically.
Nope.
The only reason this generalization is still taking place is for political reasons, liberal and conservative.
If science and truth REALLY had it's way then there would many more classifications of race.
Not the just arbitrary five or six that's has been doled out by our "masters".
You're delusional.

The Bell Curve

See my earlier posts. The book was not debunked in any way. Just because angry leftists whine and cry, doesn't mean the data or conclusions get disproved. Also, see response No.2. Same fallacy used again. Thirdly, we are talking about the socio-economic data I used. Where has there even been an attempted rebuttal of that? I see the conclusions being questioned, not the data itself which was never challenged. Fail. This shows you're a de facto fucking idiot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence (THE ARGUMENT NEVER FUCKING ENDS)
BAWWWWWWWWW, so doesn't Atheism v Christianity et al.
The argument never ends only in the deranged mind of the leftist. Again, see my earlier response post. Also, Wikipedia tends to paint 'facts' from a leftist perspective. It is heritable, determined genetically and hard to change unless you have problems such as malnutrition, illiteracy... Do you dispute that or not? If so, let me see your data.

http://hmg.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/15/12/2025
Yeah, so? Two gene variants previously implicated in the evolution of human brain size apparently don't influence brain volumes in people today. How is that related to what I say? I assume you took this link from Wikipedia. Did you bother to read it, or if you did, did you understand it or not?

tl;dr You're fucking clueless, you haven't rebutted a thing I said, all the things you restated here are already answered in my two part response to you, and this post is essentially content-less. You are right, you ARE trolling me. Thanks for the early warning I guess. Protip to myself: I should have just linked my 2 earlier response posts again.

Name: LordRiordan 2007-10-01 14:22 ID:tneOgtHf

>>126
Human race and human species are interchangeable terms you half-wit.

I haven't been reading the entirety of the thread; however, that is not necessary to sum up the one thing that is known to be true. There are genetic differences between races that often include bone-structure, skin color, and muscle percentage type. It is too hard to measure 'intelligence' due to the effect culture has on people. Right now, for the average black(and now mexican and a lot of white), their culture sucks and promotes being retarded.

Physical brain size has no correlation to intelligence.
Evolutionary order has nothing to do with intelligence.

Also, even if Blacks in general were genetically less capable to do math/science functions, it doesn't mean they don't have some other part of their brain that functions better on average.

So, in short, with culture effecting lab results, there is no way to be sure on this subject. So shut the fuck up and stop arguing about something you can't possibly know or argue to a conclusion about.


Name: Anonymous 2007-10-01 15:01 ID:RtKB6dv1

>>127
I'd reply later, but it would be just summing up my earlier posts (they're among the last, so you could read them for yourself without the whole thread)

Physical brain size is correlated with intelligence btw.
http://pubpages.unh.edu/~jel/brainIQ.html (r = .35 to .43 in various studies)

Also, even if Blacks in general were genetically less capable to do math/science functions, it doesn't mean they don't have some other part of their brain that functions better on average.
That has nothing to do with reality, and you can observe Blacks with your own eyes. They suck at everything. This is wishful thinking at best, and your forcing them to be equal in your mind.

So, in short, with culture effecting lab results, there is no way to be sure on this subject. So shut the fuck up and stop arguing about something you can't possibly know or argue to a conclusion about.
Culture does very little to change IQ test results. It's inheritable, determined genetically by at least 70% and hard to change unless you have problems such as malnutrition, illiteracy... Check my other posts.
I will make another post with IQ tests.
But for now, check out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study
Cya.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-01 15:02 ID:RtKB6dv1

>>127
Also, human race is not the same as human species. Races = subspecies or subdivision of species. Only race deniers interchange it like morons.

Name: LordRiordan 2007-10-01 16:08 ID:tneOgtHf

>>129

Human Race (From the dictionary)
all of the living human inhabitants of the earth; "all the world loves a lover"; "she always used 'humankind' because 'mankind' seemed to slight the women"

Human Species (Homo Sapien) = All humans

Brain mass and volume are different things. Those with a heavier brain, more neurons and more connections, will be able to perform better in whatever areas their brain is more developed in. A larger skull/brain doesn't necessarily mean there are more connections and have a higher intelligence. It also matters where mass is more concentrated inside the brain... more so than it's average weight.

Blacks do not suck at everything. There is a supposed difference in muscle type composition that allows them to have better performance in some physical activities.

The IQ test was formulated using random people and thus represents the IQ of everyone including blacks. More studies are needed that duplicate the results in order to have any standing.

Take some biological psychology, read a dictionary, and gtfo.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-01 20:10 ID:B6HtBl/E

>>125
>>126

I obviously mean modern leftism, spawned by the Frankfurt school. Anyone with half a brain can understand that.

I don't give a shit what you mean or what you think you mean, cockbrain. I'm going by what was implictly stated within your posts.

Modern Western science is, to an unacceptable extent, a political propaganda.

And this convientantly excludes any of flakey methodology or "faux-research" (Correlation is Causatation LULZ) used to prop up your antiquated world views?

This is clear both in genetics and in psychology, fields revealing unbridgeable racial differences that must be covered for the sake of current dominant ideology. Scientists, who don't have an unshakable scientific reputation, rather don't risk any affiliation with these findings, otherwise they could lose their job. They thus rather swim with the current, as it is usual in history.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is just like when black people scream: "The man is keeping me down." It's sad and shows a lack of responsibility for your own ignorance. The truth is pretty clean cut and like I said, the world is far too connected and complicated (and FREE!) now to politically express your views the way you desire. Whites are never going to have their own land to themselves, people are going to still be treated on merit, etc. If you don't like it, leave the west.

If you are so nervous that racial classification may contain inaccuracies, then we can abolish all classifications in all animals. The traditional racial classification in humans was not artificial, but stemmed from genetic differences that were now largely confirmed by population genetics.

We are not mere animals and population genetic sample a mere continuum. They hold no bearing on how to treat or classify individuals within a general population.

What the fuck are you on about with White Nationalism, big government and socialism? What enactment of *my* so called illogical and unrealistic beliefs? You're the fucking idiots who push for a dysgenic nanny state, not I. What's unrealistic about it? Why do you talk about Nazism and the so called 'burning of the Jews?' (Of course it's a rhetorical question, since I know why -- instead of dealing with the leftist roots of race denial in academia, you rant about Nazis) Their corruption, I lol'ed. What corruption? I don't think they had much of that, but then again, I don't have the necessary Pravda sources to prove it. Protip: I'm mostly a libertarian. I hate big government.

What don't you elucidate on how you would like your current beliefs to be politically expressed then? Because alot of the data presented here is regurgitated from Nazi-era german science. Also, it's common fact that Hitler took Germany by force and ultra-socialist ideology. "Night of the Long Knives" mean anything to you? Any where are you getting my desire for a "nanny state" from? I'm pretty much an modern anarchist (Libertarianism is for pussies) so I'd like to see what correlation (lulz@1!!) you're going to draw here. 

>>126

Human race and species are interchangable and me making such a state does not mean that I don't see race as a potential classifier. It's an irrelevant classification, but still a classification nonetheless.


I SAID: "It seems that way to someone with such simple thinking, but the truth is...if evolution is manifesting itself it isn't in the form of race.

YOU SAID: "Your opinion, you are entitled to it. Enjoy your freedom to be a retard.

I SAID: "This would make evolution and very weak force in the genetic adaptability of mankind if this were truly the case.

YOU SAID: "Because you say so? Obviously."

I SAID: "The opposite. I think there are more of racial classes and sub-classes and history has shown us that it was only the last few hundred years where we great over-generalized race. "Whites" and "Blacks" and "Asians" are huge, huge, HUGE over-simplifications for what is going on genetically."

YOU SAID: "NOPE! NOPE! I'M A BIG FAG.

FINALLY: Feel free to rebuff any of my conjectures using hard data. Humanity's strength comes for genetic diversity. If one race "won out" (whatever that means) above all others and were the only ones left- we'd die out and become as incapable of surviving in our environment as the Ashkanazi Jew. (As sickly as they are). The samples of the greater genetic continnum we use to deter certain races is politically used by the left and the right. "Whites" didn't exist as "one genetic race" until the 16 hundred when no hard science was done to determine so. All this shit is common knowledge. I'm done with this discussion for now. You need google in your life, seriously.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-02 20:10 ID:ySpnEfsI

>>131
Thank you for offering rebuttals to the trailer-dwelling rednecks.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-02 20:53 ID:+7DWdQFb

OP = fucking retard.
thread premise = pseudo scientific bullshit.

thanks for your time.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-02 20:55 ID:+7DWdQFb

Oh, and the genetic differences between all people?  Less than the variation in domestic dogs.  More than almost any species on Earth, humans are ALL ALIKE.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-02 21:58 ID:Wk4KVluu

wrong, african's have much smaller frontal lobes, that explains why they always kill us, aboriginals have far advanced memory than anyone else, yet they suck everywhere else

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-02 22:05 ID:8Fj+Nmzd

>>135

frontal lobes? lulz. that doesn't mean shit. if you set up a society where you assume that i'm always going to kill you, so i should be denying equal rights and social standing, then you shouldn't be surprised if i actually decide that killing is all there is for me. hate makes hate

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-05 17:43

Sorry for the delay.

>>130
The 'human race' meaning human species -- LOL. While it has been used for other non-scientific intents and purposes, in this discussion it only displays ignorance. You can use 'human races' (note the s) as a replacement for 'human species' but using 'human race' for defining the human species is as bad as saying 'dog breed' is for all of the 'Canis lupus familiaris.' Your usage just indicates a lame attempt of race denial, especially in the midst of a discussion on race. If you think race is irrelevant, you should just fucking say human species.
Human Race (From the dictionary)
Your dictionary seems to be an unreliable source.
http://dictionary.laborlawtalk.com/human_race
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/human+race
Either way, I explained why it is wrong. 4chan board != all of 4chan etc.

Blacks do not suck at everything. There is a supposed difference in muscle type composition that allows them to have better performance in some physical activities.
Huh? We were talking about intelligence, not physical activities (which a cheetah can do better). This is a non-sequitur. But I agree with your point, and that is obviously because of racial differences.

The IQ test was formulated using random people and thus represents the IQ of everyone including blacks. More studies are needed that duplicate the results in order to have any standing.
You have to be joking. Read the link again. It wasn't. LOL.
More IQ test studies are due once people accept my earlier points about IQ and so on. Spoiler: They essentially show the same order, as you well know. :-)

Take some biological psychology, read a dictionary, and gtfo.
Actually, NO U.

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>>131
>>132
You have yet again done nothing to debunk my points, just showed your ignorance.
I talk about current DNA (!) studies, and you claim:
Because alot of the data presented here is regurgitated from Nazi-era german science.
This alone should show most people (excluding rednecks like >>132) how ignorant you are.
Protip: Check the studies I linked earlier, it should answer all your on-topic questions.
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>>134
Oh, and the genetic differences between all people?  Less than the variation in domestic dogs.
Haha, typical Gould bullshit.
1) First of all, dogs show more variation in size, appearance, and behaviour than any other animal subspecies.
2) Dogs evolved DIFFERENTLY THAN HUMANS (in case you don't know, dogs have a single ancestral species, the gray wolf) through artificial human selection rather than natural selection. They have thus escaped its pressures, hence 1).
3) They have suffered severe inbreeding due to artificial, selective breeding, because of 2) thus leading to 1).
4) Dog breeds (and they ARE classified as breeds), as of late, can be identified by DNA tests with high accuracy. Dog breeds differ in behaviour heavily, and it is well known, as I said earlier. So I don't really see your overall point.

You should have known these things if you went through high school, really (Maybe not 4) though).
 
More than almost any species on Earth, humans are ALL ALIKE.
Not really. Animals have been grouped into 'races' based on a lot less phenotypic variation than seen in humans. Seems there are different rules for humans when it comes to butthurt Creationists or Marxists.
Read:
http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/lewontindebunked.pdf
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1893020
and the studies I linked to earlier.

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When >>116 said:
If you're impressed by this display you need to LURK MOAR. Better arguments than this have been presently more eloquently and defeated far more soundly.
I thought I would enter a proper debate. Seems not. Can anyone link me the older discussion? Seems interesting. I agree with him on the 'far more soundly' bit, since he prefers to talk about Nazis and minutiae rather than race. Protip: What the Nazis supposedly did does not change science.

Name: Black Cotton 2007-10-05 21:46

The thing with stupid racists is they dont take into consideration the type of education black people in those areas are getting. This is why their IQs are low retard, in white ares of Africa the schools are good because they are rich. In black areas the shcools suck because everybody so damn poor. Learn to love asshole

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-06 5:59

>>138
And the thing with stupid Marxists/Creationists is that they deny evolution and ignore all the posts ITT.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-06 8:42

>>139
And the thing with stupid fucking rednecks is that they're trailer-dwelling KKK member pieces of shit.

Fail harder.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-06 8:52

>>140
And the thing with stupid Marxists/Creationists is that they assume anyone who has a clue about evolutionary biology is a member of the KKK and thus an American (I am ignorant of KKK ever operating in Europe) even though it's pretty obvious I use British English like any European.

Keep reading Gould, a man laughed at by almost everyone in academia who was thoroughly and severely debunked on several occasion, and fail harder Marxist/Creationist.

Ad hominems are not rebuttals, redneck.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-06 19:27

ya blacks are dumb lol k.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-06 20:00

>>137
What don't you elucidate on how you would like your current beliefs to be politically expressed then?

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-06 20:11

>>143
A distinct lack of Marxism in politics, media and academia.

Name: RedCream 2007-10-06 20:46

>>144
Marxism ... you mean like when the government gives money or forgives taxes for a corporation or rich person?  That Marxism?

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-07 10:01

Lol niggers

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-08 3:11

>>144

So, wait. Marx was Black?

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-08 8:34

So do you imply I said that Marx was Black? How did you form that conclusion? You have to let me in on this, it must be the superior leftist logic I keep hearing about. So, we had this going:
What don't you elucidate on how you would like your current beliefs to be politically expressed then?
A distinct lack of Marxism in politics, media and academia.
And all of a sudden!
So, wait. Marx was Black?
It truly must be the superior leftist intellect at work.

In case you did not imply I said that Marx was Black, I require a really good justification for your question. It must be really fun debating like a retard. I think I'm going to try to role-play a Marxist sometime, the typical Marxist appeal to ignorance malarkey looks fun in a debate.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-08 17:37

>>148

You're making this too easy and you're making yourself out to be quite the faggot.

What I meant was, what does all that shit about genetics and blacks being inferior have to do with Marxism? Am I to believe that the opposite of Marxism is a policy of natural racial superiority by whites? How will calling black people niggers and shutting them out of society due to their assumed and percieved "natural inferiority" defeat Marxism?

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-08 18:50

>>149
You're making this too easy and you're making yourself out to be quite the faggot.
Actually, you are making it too easy. You diverted from the race debate (not that I expect proper debates from leftists, mind you), and are now arguing about other things. Policy is irrelevant to science, and should not taint it like Marxists did.

What I meant was, what does all that shit about genetics and blacks being inferior have to do with Marxism?
The race denial movement is rooted in Marxism/neo-Marxism, and its constant appeals to ignorance: There was no definitive information about race, even though it was pretty much established, so they spread unfounded doubt on it. It's the same modus operandi as Creationists. 'We haven't discovered everything in the world yet, so we can't be sure that we aren't wrong.' This is utterly disgusting, frivolous and retarded.
I wanted to give insight on the race denial movement, but then you carried on about the three posts you copy-pasted from another thread (link it by the way). Now you're going to have to deal with my posts first.
As for the reason why Marxists do it, it's part of their dogma:
"The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles."
So basically their religion tells them to deny everything else as a cause, and blame 'socio-economic factors' and the White Conspiracy for Black failure.
Am I to believe that the opposite of Marxism is a policy of natural racial superiority by whites?
Am I to believe that Marxists can debate without straw man?
How will calling black people niggers and shutting them out of society due to their assumed and percieved "natural inferiority" defeat Marxism?
Guess not. Straw man, fear tactics etc.

tl;dr You still failed to debate my posts pertaining to IQ and genetics. Stop your diversions and prove them wrong with your sound, superior leftist logic.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-08 21:49

"Niggers" are not dumb, people is dumb, including "niggers"




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Evil is Just a point of view.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-08 22:04

>>151
Some people are dumber than others.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-08 22:23

An etnical group can be seen as "dumber" than another due to socio-cultural and economical diferences.

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Evil is Just a point of view.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-08 23:36

You know, something I've noticed about the racists here who love to denounce liberals is how they, like all other crackpots, only care about one or a few factors that support their beliefs while ignoring all others.

I couldn't stand to read the whole thread, but I haven't seen a single mention of the different cultural environments in the habitats of different races or the different standards of education (hint HINT?). Of course an African who got inferior education to that of people in developed nations will score lower on an IQ test. The reputation of the families of certain Asians depends on their excellence. That's a lot of pressure compared to what their occidental counterparts face, and affects their attitudes toward education and intellectualism.

You can't claim testing people living in entirely different worlds as far as culture goes is controlled well enough to matter. Show me a study involving many individuals of different ethnicities living highly similar lives (treated the same by peers - no racial bias, they take the same paths in life rather than pitting a black professional athlete against a white physicist, etc.) while still proving an intelligence discrepancy.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-09 1:31

>>150

I'm not diverting from anything. I'm very clear with what I'm saying, you're just skirting around the issue because you know what the end result is. (Eugenic Fascism, Socialism, Big Government, etc) 

If you interpret the genetic data to indicate that blacks are inferior, then how do you believe they should be treated socially, culturally and politically? As equals? Or less than? Or should they just be "left to their own devices" as the rest of the world runs roughshod over them as it has to "all genetic inferiors"? What precisely, should the effects of the your interpretation of the data be on human society?

And please, cut it out with the Marxism stuff. People here aren't responding to it not because they are secretly Marxist who don't want to be outed, but because you really do seem to arguing past us and not with us.

Finally, accusing me of not addressing your interpretation of the data presented in aforementioned posts is pretty laughable given that I laced all of that up fairly well in replies >>124 and especially in >>131.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-09 1:49

>>154

Agreed, but it's hard to explain to those who correlate this data to mean something absolute that real research allows for all variables and factors and deal more with cause- not correlations.

It's difficult arguing with these people because they are the loudest while at the same time being the most ignorant. Listen: We know you don't know the difference the moment you start crying about Marx and the more irrational you get about arguments (which you ignore as "blaming whitey") that have debunked your shit years before this thread.

I also think one thing with those who believe in racial superiority (as opposed to the racial classification) take for granted is that we currently do not live in a meritocratic society based on Darwinism by any means.

The leaders of our world are sociopaths who, in actuality, owe alot of their success to lack of moral indignation and exploiting their fellow man- which, frankly- you don't really need to be the smartest or the strongest to do.

The idea that the world in it's current state is Darwinism at full force is extremely laughable. Which makes all of the implications of racial superiority sub-atomically retarded.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-09 3:14

An IQ test is a standard score and how you compare to it.

Standardized you fuckers.

Take statistics. It has nothing to do with how educated people are because the results that everyone is tested by include dumb fucktards already.

Name: LordRiordan 2007-10-09 3:33

*Yawn*

Human species and human race refer to the same group of people you ignorant shit head. Human race can refer to both a particular group of people or the entire species. They are interchangeable.

My point about intelligence is that you cannot properly quantify it. I was talking about physical abilities because it is another type of intelligence.

Your junk science about brain size has nothing to do with intelligence. Neurological connections/super highways and density are more precedent. It also depends on where that density is and what functions it serve.

Now go fuck yourself.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-09 10:28

Owned...


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Name: Anonymous 2007-10-09 10:33

Intelligence is affected by genes.

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