Colonization

Bottom line is it made life better for Africans and at least gave them some kind of civilization. It's a sad thing that it's seen as evil. Most of the Whites that lived in Africa had good intentions.

No one asked the Black in Africa if they wanted the so-called civilization that Whites brought and then IMPOSED on them.  The "good intentions" hardly matter.  Anyone who thinks otherwise should go onto an American Indian Reservation and start spouting the same bullshit ... and we'll see how long you last.

>>2
Ok, but first I want you to go to some starving blax and attempt to remove their medicine, irrigation, roads, schools, christianity, freedoms, written language and haul their black asses into the jungle and see how long you last!

>>3
WTF?  Medicine?  Irrigation?  Schools?  The fucking IMF and World Bank have already removed those things.  You already said they were starving.  Do you really think they have medicine and schools and other such stuff of any consequence when they are fucking STARVING?

You also can't haul their Black asses back into the jungle since Whitey the Logger had taken so much of it.  Whitey would have to re-plant the jungle around the Blacks if he really wanted Blackie to return to the jungle!

>>4
The IMF and world bank has not removed those things. What? Do you think they sent in riot police to a bunch of mud huts and said "sorry we can't let your kids go to school"?

i'd love to argue with you nerds, but I'm off to start a diamond mine in the Congo and write incredibly pretentious but well-regarded works of fiction.

>>5
FAIL.  The IMF and World Bank most assuredly setup the world financial system that removed the colonial infrastructure from the Third World and replaced it with even less infrastructure that performed the theft of their natural resources more efficiently.  All removal of socialistic aspects is a removal of things like medical care and schooling.

You're just embarrassing yourself here with your blatantly WRONG view of Africa and other such Third World areas.  You obviously know NOTHING of the IMF and World Bank.  gb2library and then come back here when you fucking KNOW SOMETHING.

>>7
So colonialism was a good thing because it was socialist?

Bottom line is it made life worse for Africans and at destroyed their civilization. It's a sad thing that it's seen as anything less than a catastrophe. Most of the Europeans that colonized Africa had good intentions for themselves.

>destroyed their civilization

lol wut

>>8
For the natives of Africa and for the things they gained, yes it was.  Unfortunately, it was also associated with a lot of violent Whites, which the Africans could have well done without.  Also, the Africans could have been paid fairly for their work and resources, which is still not done to this day.

Look at Africa now since the colonizing whites left and gave them "freedom". It's a big shithole. At least things were being built and produced when the whites owned Africa.

Most of the Whites that lived in Africa had good intentions.

They only cared about themselves, just like everyone else does. Can we please put the old imperial British "bringing civilization to the rest of the world" mantra to rest? It's pure rationalization.

(Yes, I know the Afrikaners weren't British.)

Look at Africa now since the colonizing whites left and gave them "freedom". It's a big shithole.

This is also true, unfortunately.

Even if you removed the (always detrimental) meddling of the World Bank from Africa -- and other external influences -- I have serious doubts it'd change from a violent savage shit-hole any time soon. If you think Idi Amin is a departure from the norm, you're misinformed.

>>13
I agree.  If the IMF and World Bank were removed from Africa tomorrow, the "Darkie Continent" would still take a while to recover.  Still, they should be given that chance, dontcha think?

Still, they should be given that chance, dontcha think?
Certainly. I just don't hold any hope.

They're too busy engaging in low-scale warfare and dying of HIV. Remove the HIV and they'll still be killing each other. These groups have been at each other's throats since before recorded history, and they're not about to stop. If you put Whites on the timescale, they barely rank as a blip.

If you completely removed all external influence, I rather suspect Africa would go into some weird sort of stasis, living off some premade hand-me-down technologies in return for natural resources, and otherwise doing what they always do: party often, watch their women get eaten by crocodiles, and killing the guys next door from time to time. Hell, you can still quite easily find bushmen living today exactly as they did when humanity first left Africa.

I'm sure there are people who might argue that external investment can do to Africa what it did to China and India, but there's a problem: China and India have already demonstrated that they're perfectly capable of high social organization when left to their own devices.

I think we should just leave them alone, just in case we nuke ourselves off the face of the place. They're close enough to menial living that it'll make no difference to them if all the technology disappeared. Eventually some crazy but adventurous black nomads will decide to leave Africa and begin exploring the former nuclear wastelands anew.

>>15

leave them ALONE!? with all those resources for us to use on their land!? YOU MUST BE A MADMAN!

>>13
If everyone only cares for themselves then the africans were just as guilty. If you believe that you might aswell ask what gives them the right to resist exploitation?

>>17
Your reasoning seems to be that
a) If I care only for myself
b) then I shouldn't resist being exploited?

That makes no sense. If I care only for myself then by definition I'm protecting my own interests, which obviously precludes being exploited.

I really don't follow.

>>18
It's not about you, listen to yourself...

"If [b]I[/b] care only for [b]my[/b]self then by definition [b]I'm[/b] protecting [b]my[/b] own interests, which obviously precludes being exploited."

See? This is what is wrong with you.

hei why didn't bold work bold

bold

"If [u]I[/u] care only for [u]my[/u]self then by definition [u]I'm[/u] protecting [u]my[/u] own interests, which obviously precludes being exploited."

o wait lol i get it...

"If I care only for myself then by definition I'm protecting my own interests, which obviously precludes being exploited."

There... As you can see clearly you have little knowledge of the libertarian logic behind universal rights. This is probably why socialists are saying "YOU ARE TRYIN TO FORCE FREEDOM ON OTHER PEOPLE!", in the words of King Arthur (a libertarian who actually existed) "Though different laws are needed in different times and places there will always be laws which enslave people and laws which free people.".

Freedoms are universal, the US has every right to be world police and has done more good for the world than your failed soviet utopia.

haha

>>23
Get off the drugs.

And practice reading comprehension while you're at it.

>>24
You're too stupid to understand my argument. You have to leave the debate now, sorry.

>>25
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It's all quite obvious, you see?

>>15

"when humanity first left Africa."

What are you smoking?

>>26
My girlfriend drinks Chamomile tea. What exactly do you mean by female troubles? Are you spying on us? Are you her doctor? Are you her psychiatrist?

>>23
the US is just a country

Read Heart of Darkness. It can relate to this.

And here I thought RedCream was an antisemitic libertarian.

The colonization of Africa has done far more damage than good.  It has drawn lines on a map that cut through 1000s of year old tribal lines causing problems.  Think about it the Africans obviously knew how to not fight with each other or at least keep in to a minimum, that is until these lines were drawn. One of the biggest problems is people went into Africa and said you have to grow this crop it is great for export, then once the crop was ready to harvest hippos came in and ate the entire crop in a night.  The Africans had their farm land sustainable and functional until we started messing about.  The problem now is they can't go back, its to late. They have already lost many of their ways of life, they way their ancestors used to do it. lost for ever. this might be the biggest tragedy. colonization stole their identity and history.