Your stance on illegal aliens

First, let me give you some background on my situation. My parents came to this country, illegally, and brought me along. I was only like 2-3 years old at the time, so I had no say in the matter. Needless to say, my life has been so fucked up ever since I turned 16. For all of the people around me, turning 16 meant getting a drivers license and a job. Me? I couldn't do either. Two years later, graduation. For everyone else, it's off to a university. Me? Crappy community college because I wasn't accepted into any universities as a result of my status.

I feel like my life is on hold because of all the limitations that are imposed upon me. I know that some of you are probably asking, "Why don't you go back to your country?", but I feel like this IS my country. I've lived here practically my whole life and know no other way of life. To tell you the truth, I think I'd be so lost and depressed if I were to be taken away from the way of life that I've grown accustomed to.

I'll be the first to admit that my parents were wrong for coming here illegally. They broke the law. It wasn't fair for them to skip ahead of all of those people that were trying to get here legally. But at the same time, the system that is in place right now is so fucked up that if I were in the same situation, I'd probably do the same thing. The long waiting period, the ridiculous amount of money needed, all the paper work who even the people who wrote it probably don't understand. It's all fucked up.

So, what's your opinion on this whole thing? Are you against the presence of illegal aliens, for it, or just don't give a fuck?

I feel the plight of those immagrating to the US, but it doesn't excuse their methods. Running across the border is a punch in the face to those who go through the process to get in legally.

Illegal immagrents dont take the jobs from americans per se, but they create an environment where jobs such as landscaping are made suchlow paying jobs that they are given to those who are willing to work for pennies on the dollar for long hours because companies know that's their only option. Companies need to be given harsher punishments for not properly checking the background of their workforce. Americans would do those jobs if they paid well, but since immagrents are willing to work for so little, there's no incentive to make them higher paying jobs.

>>1
tl,dr

>>1
I'm sorry the US can't afford to put every child on the face of the planet through university, it's a sad terrible world. Go back to your home country where you have citizenship.

>>2
Isnt america capitalist?
Why shouldnt it apply to the workforce too?

>>5
BECAUSE IF IT CONTINUES THE INCOME BASE WILL BE FUCKED AND GOODS WILL REMAIN ON SHELVES.

>>5
America is a democracy.

A firm one.

America is a butt lol

>>5
because America is not a total capitalist country. Its a blend of socialism and capitalism, because if we let the companys do what they want the middle class would be destroyed and we be thrown into the 1920's.Read up on the Progressive Era fucktard

>>1
I have no problem with immigration, but I think it should be slowed down for a couple reasons..

1.  See >>6.  I like the idea of capitalism, and yes it should apply to the workforce as well, but I think it should apply to the workforce HERE in the United States, not our population, as well as the population of every other country in the world.

2.  Time should be given for 'assimilation' to occur.  People who come here should be given time to become american, and to make them lose touch with their old nationality, and become americans.  In other words, waving Mexican flags around isn't something true blue loyal americans would or should be doing, they should be AMERICAN flags, if any.  When huge numbers of people who are still more loyal to Mexico as a nation than to the USA as a nation come here and reside here, gaining say in the American government... well I just view that as a bad thing.  People who live here and participate in our government should be loyal to our country, and our nation, not a foreign one.

3.  Our national sovereignty should remain protected.  If a nation has no borders, is it still a sovereign nation?

I favor a big wall on the southern border.  Not much else is needed imo, I think that would take care of it.  Don't stop ALL immigration, just slow it down so it doesn't have too much of an impact on the people already here, so that it gives the time needed for immigrants to become american to become american, and preserve the borders to keep us distinct from other countries as a nation.  Erosion of borders equates to erosion of sovereignty.

>>10
Actually it's a blend of totalitarianism (socialism), democracy and capitalism. Democracy enforces the law, capitalism ensures a meritocratic efficient economy, totalitarianism gives people opportunities to stamp on the face of others and become extremely rich.

>>5
because capitalism applied to the workforce in its purest form degrades into slavery, or something close to it. in many cases this is already the fact, considering the pennies on the dollar labor we outsource to asian and central american countries.

>>13
This only happens when law is not enforced, this form of "capitalism" is closely tied to the government and is actually defined as socialism. Don't forget to call it socialism in the future.

Unless of course you are an extremist who wants people to think the failure of socialism is in fact the failure of capitalism. AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAAAAAA

j/k

>>10 >>13 Like, balance, reasoning and argumentation much?

There are more illegal aliens than unemployed people so you can't deport them.

Smoke that Bush.

>>11
I have to agree.  I think we should put emphasis on SECURING THE BORDER, rather than screwing with the people in the country.  What I mean by this, is we should focus more on securing the actual border than worrying about the illegals who manage to get by.  If we had control of the border, we wouldn't have problems with them getting by.  A wall on the southern border + border patrols and coast guard should do it.  I say NO national ID though.

No more spicks plz >_<

>>18
no more racists plz >_<

Better immigartion policy such as work visa's. We do need the labour force, so make it easy for the people you need to get in and keep out the undesirables, e.g. criminals. This will probably kill ppular support for illegal immigration as you just say "why the hell did they not let you in?"

>>1


I feel sorry for you and I am an American.

The first thing you should do is to turn your parents into the law.  This might help you feel better about being force to be a criminal all your life.

Secondly, you say:

""""But at the same time, the system that is in place right now is so fucked up that if I were in the same situation, I'd probably do the same thing. The long waiting period, the ridiculous amount of money needed, all the paper work who even the people who wrote it probably don't understand. It's all fucked up"".

Why is is all messed up?  What is the policy in YOUR COUNTRY?  From what I read and hear, it is even harder for south americans and any other country to immigrate to Mexico.  The laws are stiffer and they don't accept the majority.

So I ask you again, what is the problem here and why messed up?

See, most people who are law abiding citizens will understand that there is a reason for the wait. America can't take every criminal who feels that they have to live off Americans and in reality, "CANT FIGHT FOR THEIR COUNTRY LIKE OUR FOREFATHERS HAD DONE".

Do you realize that when our country was founded, we had less than 2 million here and about half of those still supported the english rule.

In your peoples case, there is somewhere between 12 - 30 million of you illegal/criminals in the United States.

Our forefathers founded America with less than 2 million and you have roughly 30 million that you could use to get the same results (with Americans support).

But you all are cowards and spineless, criminals, welfare minded, in nature, so you don't fight for anything, unless it is in gangs where it is 8 on 1, then you are quick to kill someone that way.

Do you understand that if you all got together and fought for your country, besides the Americans that would help, like me, you would probably outnumber the enemies in your counrty ( like you are an enemy in this country), probably 25,000 to 1.

Yet, those numbers aren't good for you because you would have to work for it, with no free hand outs, free medical, etc..

And in reality, you are all probably scared of halfway educated people who run your country.

Here is a thought.  You uneducated, illiterate, free loading, criminals, join gangs, run drugs, kill for stupid crap, etc..  but you won't fight for your country, your people, your soveriegnty, your independence, your freedom, your future children, etc..

Remember it is just easier to be free loaders, WHO WILL BRING AMERICA TO A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY LIKE YOURS IS.

Then when this country gets runned down, like you all did to your country, where will you go then???

I say, man up, grow some balls and go fight for your country, your freedom, independence, etc.. so instead of having to many people in one America, there will be two Americas to enjoy.

Also, if you do fight for your country, I will see you on the front lines, helping you get back what is rightfully yours.

But it isn't going to fall in your laps, remember that.

The problem is not the whole illegal thing, it's the steady tide of them coming in. It puts a strain on the economy & infrastructure because it was never designed to handle this level of people.
I think it would be important to seal the borders & then legalize anyone that was locked in.

The OP can join the military and get citizenship that way.

>>22
but that gives a pat on the back to those who got in illegaly, and a slap in the face for those who worked hard to get in the right way.

makes about as much sense as:

car dealership owner: "yeah we had a huge problem with looting. people coming into the lot and just stealing cars. it's gotten real bad. but it seems those people are safe drivers and have insurance, so we're just gonna up our lot security and drop and charges or any on going investigations on all those stolen cars. Let it be a gift from us for being such safe drivers."

maybe give them a chance to complete the process to get a visa, but it'd be stupid to just grant them citizenship on the spot.

>>23
What if it's not economically feasable for the car dealership owner to round up all the past car thieves? It's like writing off a ton of bad debt with piss poor contracts. You just have to give up at some point and work on the newer loans with tighter contracts.

>>24

hurry, the car dealer ship is gonna just drop all charges from all that looting before. we should get in there and steal a car before he adds that security.

What car dealership????

>>25
i expect there to be such a flow of people once the fence construction starts, that mexico will have ghost towns all over.

>>26
the BMW dealership on 5th & vine.

>>27

oy! que solo mi pasa es su pasa

>>28
gb2 bangladesh

>>29
it's spanish you fucktard

>>30
gb2 Canada

>>21

That's nice and everything, but you should probably work on your reading comprehension skills. Not once did I mention my nationality. It seems like to most people here illegal alien = Mexican. In case you did not know, an illegal alien is ANYONE who comes to this country illegally, regardless of nationality.

Also, just because someone is an illegal alien does not mean they are criminals and/or freeloaders. Not once have I broken the law or been affiliated with any gangs and the only "freeloading" I'm guilty of is attending public schools. Even then, my parents pay taxes, so I don't know if that can even be considered freeloading (yes, illegals can still pay taxes). You seem to generalize way too much. You're thought process is just borderline retarded. GTFO and come back when you have a more rational solution.

>>32

So are you Mexican?

>>33
im from nigeria

>>34
Not op.

>>33
The fact that you're questioning my nationality leads me to believe that this issue has more to do with race than with illegal aliens. This is 4chan, if you're racist, just come out and say it. This is the last place for political correctness.

>>35

sorry. didn't know there was a major influx of nigerians into this country that are taking low paying jobs to avoid government detection. I'll alert the media.

>>35

Right. I'm racist. I wasn't trying to weed out clever wordplay.

Illegal aliens = foreigners who entered the country unlawfully.

If you break the law to get in you fucking shouldn't be here.  If you come in through legal means, then you're more than welcome to be here.

Why the fuck can't people understand something so simple?

Illegal Aliens = Following an Ancient Nomadic Human Tradition.

>>37

What "clever wordplay"? Is wordplay didn't seem out the ordinary to me, then again, I didn't assume he was mexican. That's probably because I'm not a racist. ;)

>>40
Where did he say you were mexican?

>>41

I'm not the OP, or whomever.

>>32
You know damn well that the entire illegal alien issue in America today is centered around people coming from Mexico and other southern countries.

The whole "I didn't say that!" arguement is childish and obnoxious.  Say what you mean and mean what you say.  Coming to an anonymous discussion forum and then asking for opinions on a topic that (at this time) revolves around immigrants from South American countries and then not expecting anyone to make assumptions about your ethnicity is retarded.  Now GTFO!

>>43 Agreed.

People who come up with retarded arguments did it because they know they are WRONG.

>>40

It's based on assumptions. "Lol you assumed I was Mexican," usually makes people believe that he isn't, when he obviously never said that he wasn't before he responded.

Tell your alien brother, that Hitler thinks urgey.

kill them all

I ASSUME EVERYONE IS MEXICAN

AM I RACIST YET?

mexico? more like mexiNO. mexicans? more like mexiCAN'Ts. LOL.

>>38
That being said, >>1 broke the law when he was extremely young, and it was not of his own volition. Should he still be punished for something he has no control over? Should this punishment go on for so long? Is it common practice to lawfully punish children as young as two for crimes in the United States? While >>1's parents are most definately in the wrong, is >>1 also guilty? By association?

Whenever people claim that some political issue is so simple, you need to wonder how much thought they devote to the issue, or the people involved. Dictating from the sidelines is one thing, personal experience is something completely different.

DGAF NIGGUHS

GO BACK TO MEXICO LEGALLY AND YOU WILL MAKE IT RIGHT

ahahaha stupid mexicans ahahahahaa

i think we should shut the border because it is fun to laugh at people over a border, this is a democracy, i can support this if it gives me more pleasure than having cheap lettuce

stop hateing on mexico when we have tons of illegals coming from easten europe and southeast asia. Lay off the mexicans you raceist hicks!

>>54
yeah but it's not like they want to stay there and live...they're just on their way to the US.

illegal aliens should go back to there country, simply that
 and for those who were bron free in this country stay but if your family is illegal then GTFO to your family...

>>56

"Simply that"?

*SIGH*

Read >>51 [i]AGAIN[/i], you fucking shit-breed.

>>51
Why is being sent back to Mexico a punishment? He can speak english and assumingly also spanish and he has had an american education, he can get a job there.

>>57
Sorry, but many people no longer feel that the purpose of the US is to accomodate immigrants. Those left in poorer countries will just have to change their own countries instead of fleeing. Legal immigration only, thanks.

To Anti-Chan(57)
       Yes, Simply that...
     Because even though 51 stated that it is easy to delegate from the sidelines its the proper way to do it getting in their wth emotional imbalnce clouds judgement, thusly impeding proper dictation from the law!!!

law in its soul, naked, unmasqueraded self-proclomation is...
    BLACK & WHITE no gray areas where exceptions can be made not even for those who are forced against there will...

 ignorance of he law is no excuse for breaking the law!!!

>>61

"Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law"

Spoken like a true facist. Ignorance is about the only excuse in matters like these. We're not discussing murder here.

"Because even though 51 stated that it is easy to delegate from the sidelines its the proper way to do it getting in their wth emotional imbalnce clouds judgement, thusly impeding proper dictation from the law!!!"

You're only saying this because you think your "judgement" is right. Sorry: But is NOT.

>>62
murder. Immigration.
whats the difference...

I'd like you to explain the outcome if this was to be handled by our border patrol...

>>63
 I'll boil it down to the photo-finish for those only interested in the climax of a story... You come in to any country illegally GTFO, the only reason we cant get them to fuck out is because of people who center around the personal attachments theses people have with others and themselves... Im telling you know the one way mankind will destroy itself is through paving the road to hell with empathy... World needs more apathy!!!

>>63
Liberals seem to use that argument a lot. That people should be excused for committing certain crimes. The people of the US, many of them immigrants or 1st generation immigrants, voted that there be a cap to the amount of immigration to the country. That means illegal immigration is a crime. If they wanted more immigration they would make their views known and the political parties would promies to increase LEGAL immigration.

I\'m sorry you have to be \"punished\" by going to live in Mexico, but people in the US value a high standard of living. Maybe when the world realises overpopulation and rapid population growth decreases the GDP per capita and that this is wrong we will allow more immigration.

There is just too fucking many poor people in the world, the USA can't fucking take all of them.  Even if we took in a hundred million a year, we wouldn't put a dent in the population of the 3rd world, while we would simultaneously have a huge decrease in standard of living, and would have a huge impact on the lives of americans already here legally. 

The solution to poverty is the new world order. We must get rid of the world\'s tyrants since they are the real thieves forcing people into poverty.

>>32

Your statement is ludacriss at the least.

You stated that your here Illegally, well then, You moron,

"YOU BROKE THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY, THIS LAND, THIS NATION,BY COMING HERE ILLEGALLY.  IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU SAY, AS YOU STATE:
    
       ""Also, just because someone is an illegal alien does not mean they are criminals and/or freeloaders. Not once have I broken the law or been affiliated with any gangs and the only "freeloading".

Your statement reminds me of a person I once heard speak about killing his family.

He stated that he only killed 4 out of the 6 of his family members, so why are people saying he killed his family.

Listen you moron, if you came here to this country, without the right or permission, then you are a criminal and YOU HAVE BROKEN LAWS, OUR LAWS, LAWS AGAINST OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR NATION, OUR SOVERIENGTY, ETC...

By the way, if your so law abiding, have you turned in your parents yet????

Or are you one of millions, like the catholic church for example, that harbors criminals for your own profit or personal advantage???

>>38

It is simple to all those half-way, educated, law abiding, people. But those that are used to stealing from others, etc.. to get what they want, well, it is just another way of living for them.

They will never and have never, been people of respectibility, honor, diginty, etc...

They will always be those low lifes that the world has to put up with, or atleast until their caught.

>>39

CEPT MEXICANS WERNT TRADITIONALLY NOMADS...
BABY SACRIFICING CANIBALS? YES. NOMANDS? NO.

>>58

If you had developed a vast amount of relationships with people (friends, for example), and you became comfortable in where you are, would you object to being forcibly repatriated to Mexico? If you escaped a life and took refuge in the US, where media and the government constantly parade it as being the land of opportunity, would you object to being forcibly repatriated to Mexico? Perhaps you have a girlfriend/boyfriend, would you object to being forcibly parted from them?

Too many people are saying "it's black and white, he came here illegally, he should be removed." But nothing is simply black and white. He came here as an infant, he grew up with Americans, he probably even gave the oath at the start of every day/week in school. He's a product of the American school system, he theoretically has the same education until tertiary level as the rest of the country. He grew up as an American. His parents might've kept their culture running through him, but he's probably just as American as the rest of you. His only problem is he doesn't have a piece of paper saying he's allowed to be in the US.

Yes, being repatriated to Mexico might even be good for him, but that should be for him to decide. Not the state.

It comes down to this: Should we punish children for the mistakes of their parents?

>>71
So how do we deter illegal immigration so that we don\'t have to force people to repatriate?

mexican immigrants did wtc

immgrant wtcs did mexico