Once a male reaches puberty, it will be mandatory for him to get a vasectomy. Of course, before this they will freeze some of his semen for future use if he wishes. This will solve the problem of teenage and unwanted pregnancies. More importantly, we'll no longer have to argue over abortion.
Nobel Prize, here I come!
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Anonymous2006-09-28 15:05
wait a sec does that remove cum shots as well?
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Anonymous2006-09-28 15:08
>>2
oh wait nevermind that just read it up on wiki. imo it's a bad idea despite the advantages, why? because it's unnatural.
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Anonymous2006-09-28 15:13
>>3
If you don't like it because it's unnatural, then gb2/living in a cave/.
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Anonymous2006-09-28 22:35
we wouldnt have to worry about unwanted pregnancy if we didnt have abortion. people would then realize that oh, if i get pregnant, im screwed, and probably stay away from sex. and then theres just the idiots who deserve to have something like that happen to them
Oh shut up already. Abortion is responsibility. People are dumb and are never going to just stop having sex. Listen: Do us all a favor and go out and fuck already (you fucking virgin teenager) so that you can understand that these are adult situations we're dealing with here and that it isn't going to take some simple whitewash solution.
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Anonymous2006-09-28 23:46
This wouldn't work, you'd just whip up paranoia about totalitarianism, genocide etc..
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Anonymous2006-09-29 0:25
Just cut the wellfare and things fix themselves.
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Anonymous2006-09-29 0:42
Teenage girls pin prick holes in condoms, then date rich men and when they get pregnant they get child support from the man and welfare from the government. They then live off hand outs instead of going to university and spend the rest of their lives doing nothing.
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Anonymous2006-09-29 0:55
>>9
There's absolutely nothing wrong being housewife, as long as they don't get goverment welfare.
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Anonymous2006-09-29 3:02
Eugenics is the answer.
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Anonymous2006-09-30 7:19
i think forced castration sounds better. populate the world with eunuchs.. yes please!
I'd support it except for the saving sample bullshit, but also along with the nutjob, abortions should be very mandatory.
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Anonymous2006-10-01 1:04
>>6
"Oh shut up already. Abortion is responsibility. People are dumb and are never going to just stop having sex."
People are capable of abstaining.
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Anonymous2006-10-01 14:54
Not Mexicans.
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Anonymous2006-10-01 23:02
>>16
Abstinence is fucking dumb. Sex is a primal necesity, when you abstain you get priests molesting little girls.
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Anonymous2006-10-01 23:05
>>18
Right, so abstinence is impossible, and people are completely helpless before their sexual urges, completely unable to control themselves? Yeah fucking right.
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Anonymous2006-10-01 23:18
>>19
Stop putting words in my mouth kthx. Real abstinence takes years and years of dedication and is an extremely difficult thing to do. Not fucking something every time you get a boner is not abstinence. The average person does not have this moral fiber, not me, not adults, certainly not teenagers, and probably not you too.
Groups that dont reproduce are replaced by those who do. Think faster, were running out of time.
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Anonymous2006-10-02 1:50
I'm going to cum on your face for this topic
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Anonymous2006-10-02 2:21
>>23
I predicted you would cum on my face so I started this topic.
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Anonymous2006-10-02 11:36
hope springs eternal
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Anonymous2006-10-02 12:06
>>20
"The average person does not have this moral fiber, not me, not adults, certainly not teenagers, and probably not you too."
Actually, I do. If I can do it, I see absolutely no problem with expecting others to be ABLE to as well. It is not that they CANT its that they dont WANT to.
>>26
Can't or want, it doesn't really matter, in today's society people WON'T. However, people WILL use protection, which is why that is what needs to be taught, not abstinence. Abstinence is a lifestyle choice for individuals, not something that should be forced upon people.
You got it wrong, it is 'CANT or WONT'. Also, it DOES matter, because if they CANT stop themselves, then it would be immoral to hold them accountable for their actions. Since it is not impossible, and they CAN, it is NOT immoral.
"in today's society people WON'T."
That's their problem.
"However, people WILL use protection, which is why that is what needs to be taught, not abstinence."
I was never arguing about what form of sex ed should be taught, or whether it should be taught at all for that matter. I was arguing that people HAVE free will, and are able to make their own decisions to have sex or to not have sex, pure and simple. This is the point of my argument: people are able to make the decision to have sex, or to not have sex, and are thus rightly responsible for the results.
"Abstinence is a lifestyle choice for individuals, not something that should be forced upon people."
I am against any law making it illegal to have sex.. if that is what you are getting at.
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Anonymous2006-10-02 22:21
>>30
Frankly I'm not sure what's even being argued. If its abortion, no one is going to change anyone's opinion, its a moral issue.
the probem is that parents don't talk to their kids about sex and the social, physical, and emotional ramifications that come with it, including STDs and pregnancy. Abortions were created because of the problem, and are not the cause of the problem. the same holds true for contraceptives. ABSTINENCE is still the best way to prevent pregnancy, parents are just unwilling to teach their kids. you are all fucking morons for debating about this, and >>1 is especially for coming up with this unconstitutional idea that denies the person to liberty of the body. If this were a law, it would put undue hardship on much of the population, depriving them of basic rights.
>>35 I have to agree. It would work if parents would be willing to talk to their kids about it. Unfortunately, a lot of parents suck.
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Anonymous2006-10-05 12:46
>>35
">>1 is especially for coming up with this unconstitutional idea that denies the person to liberty of the body. If this were a law, it would put undue hardship on much of the population, depriving them of basic rights."
LOL he was being SERIOUS? Jesus, what a feminazi piece of shit.
Sex is fine if you are smart about it and take proper precautions.
By the way, abortions have been happening for centuries, they aren't something invented in the last hundred years. In the past however, they were much more private. People used different methods in the privacy of their own homes. It was more dangerous, but no one was there to firebomb you for making a descision about your own body.
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Anonymous2006-10-06 8:40
When I become king everyone will have to pass apply for license and take an IQ test in order to be a parent. Stupid will not be allowed to breed, period. Failure to follow the rules will result in immediate sterilization for both and the child being adopted out.
It's too bad the Nazi's gave eugenincs such a bad name.
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Anonymous2006-10-06 10:56
>>39 Oh, I see, I'm 'uneducated' and 'anti-feminist' for disagreeing with the idea of having forced vasectomies for all males? If that makes me 'anti-feminist', so be it, I am a damn proud anti-feminist.
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Anonymous2006-10-06 11:58
I concur. Just because someone disagrees with your radical agenda doesn't mean they are stupid. They merely approve of less insane measures.
In other words, your insane ideas will never be recognized and implemented, just kill yourself and leave us all alone.
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Xel2006-10-06 12:20
Forced vasectomies on rapists is a wonderful, acceptable solution.
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Anonymous2006-10-06 14:26
>>44
Why exactly? It's not like a vasectomy will stop you from raping again.
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Xel2006-10-06 15:00
>>45 Renoval of schlong then, or some kind of incapacitation.
Your nobel prize is running away from you while you chase after it.
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Anonymous2006-10-07 7:57
>>46 >>49
Killing the rapists would be far better idea. There was some experiments with this in past. It lead to rapists totally losing their minds and they started killing and torturing their victims instead of raping.
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Anonymous2006-10-07 9:38
>>51
That would be a waste of money. They should be put to work in a lead factory or something.
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Anonymous2006-10-07 12:05
This is all bullshit. What we should focus on is ARMING people so that they don't have to worry about being robbed, raped, murdered, etc, you name it. In counties that have made gun ownership mandatory, there has been an almost 90% drop in rape, for example. I think the best solution is to prevent it from happening to begin with. If you don't want to get beaten up, raped, robbed, or murdered, buy a firearm and carry concealed. Problem solved.
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Anonymous2006-10-07 12:07
>>53
Arm people AND send rapists to the lead factories. How does that sound?
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Anonymous2006-10-07 21:07
>>40
"It was more dangerous, but no one was there to firebomb you for making a descision about your own body."
More like making a decision about someone elses' body.
Your suggesting that we modify human beings in order to balance society!? Do you not realize your ignorance!? By allowing this "Customization" of the human form you are taking away an aspect of human behavior leaving them just that little closer to being no more than a compensatory of atoms. It is this unpredictability of the chemical changes in the body that cause life to be interesting and worth living. Yes they can cause pain but so do emotions, do you suggest we remove them also and truly become no better than objects?
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Anonymous2006-10-08 12:59
>>57
So you think intelligent healthy people should be stamped out of the gene pool whilst people with dehabilitating genetic disease and cerebral palsy should be paid to have loads of children?
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Anonymous2006-10-08 13:16
>>58
...OK, yah lost me there. How does what that guy said even suggest something like that? All he's said is not to mess with peoples body and minds because it makes them less human or something.
>>40
the problem is most people don't know what those precautions are.
yeah, there's protection and birth control. that takes care of pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases, for the most part. but what about the emotional and social ramifications of a sexual relationship? a lot of people aren't mature enough to handle it. how does one protect against that?
To answer that, i must quote you a passage of a book:
"Here's what the Encyclopedia Galactica has to say about alcohol. It says that alcohol is a colourless volatile liquid formed by the fermentation of sugars and also notes its intoxicating effect on certain carbon-based life forms.
The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy also mentions alcohol. It says that the best drink in existence is the Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster."
hope that helps.
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Anonymous2006-10-10 23:49
>>60
Rapists think with their penises, not their brains, guns would likely be ineffective, as many rapes involve alcohol and the criminal's judgement would be impaired.
You could kill the rapist then, but unless he tries anything, you'd get the family sueing you for being too harsh to a dumb drunk.
Or then we can open the can of worms that rumors that 25% of reported rapes didn't happen.
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Anonymous2006-10-11 1:54
rape is about power, not sex. so no, rapists dont think with their penises, they think with their brains. it's just that the thought process consists of urges to control and dominate.
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Anonymous2006-10-11 2:21
This would likely end mankind.
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Anonymous2006-10-11 20:11
Rape is probably the worst thing one humanbeing can do to another. It does massive dammage to the vitctims spirit that may take a lifetime to get over. I know this because my g/f was raped by her uncle when she was 12 years old. Even now when we have sex its hard for her because it brings up painfull memories.
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Anonymous2006-10-11 20:22
>>67
What about a decade of horrific torture which generates extrem pain? That has to be worse.
>>72
PSSSTT I THINK THERE MITE BE SOME JAPS POSTING IN HEAR
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Anonymous2006-10-12 20:54
>>69 But that would only harm men, and the vasectomies would be helpful to women so who cares. Fuck men. If men didnt exist neither would the worlds problems.
>>79
haha, hardly. "lol men suck" isnt exactly an impressive burn. i'm sorry you don't get laid enough, but that isn't mens fault, even if it makes you feel better about yourself.
>>74
Generalizing about men that way... If you have had multiple bad sexual experiences and your partner(s) is/are unsatisfactory... the common denominator is YOU!
>>1
Hmm, this is actually a good idea. This would help the women of society. It is high time we reign in these stupid men.
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Anonymous2006-11-26 16:08
Lets hear it for genital mutilation.
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Anonymous2006-11-26 16:43
FUCK Women! you want to give males vasectomies? well then we should cut off womens vaginas and tits as well. see how you like that dumb bitches, why not just make one entire androgynous society with no sexes, gee-jolly-whiz, what a great society that would be.
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Anonymous2006-11-26 16:51
>>93 Stupid troll. A vasectomy doesn't hinder sexual pleasure, it boosts it. Also, you can't cut off vaginas. And cutting off breasts will have no effect, they don't transfer direct sexual stimulation. Dumbasses like you are the reason why males should have vasectomies.
>>90
I have to agree. Men have shown difficulty in controlling where their semen goes, and the results have been disastrous for the world's women. Mandatory vasectomies would solve this. It isn't really a big deal. You can have some sperm saved for you in case you one day want to have children. Up until now, society has allowed men to go without vasectomies, but now it is proving to be an issue.. and when some freedoms are being abused, they must be taken away.
"This will solve the problem of teenage and unwanted pregnancies."
Too many young women's lives are being ruined by teenage and unwanted pregnancies. Maybe if men would be more responsible, it would be ok for them to go without vasectomies. Unfortunately, they aren't being responsible, and thus we should move to take away their rights that they are abusing.
In the words of Bill Clinton:
"When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly.... [However, now] there's a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there's too much freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it." -William Jefferson Clinton"
In that comment, President Clinton was referring to some rights that the Bill of Rights & Constitution contain. Obviously, however, the above quote is easilly applicable to other situations as well.
When people abuse their 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms, that must be taken away. When people abuse their 1st amendment right to free speech using offencive or foul language, we must move to restrict their right to speech. When privacy rights such as those within the fourth amendment are protecting terrorists (essentially the same thing as being abused), they must be reconsidered. When the government is unable to adequately continue the War on Terror because of complications regarding the 5th and 8th amendment, we must move to reduce, reform, or remove these rights. When men use their penises irresponsibly, and this results in detriment and inconvenience to women and women's lives, men's rights may need to be infringed at least a little to help or rectify the situation, and that's all there is to it.
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Anonymous2006-11-26 22:23
>>94 A clitorus and a vagina are not the same thing. Female circumcision is outright mutilation that carries many adverse health risks. Male circumcision is a safe practice.
This entire thread is fucking dumb. You can't "abuse a right". That a misnomer. Forced dick clipping is just as bad as taking away the right to choose abortion or birth. The very notion of a right is that there are no limits. Stop limiting, stop setting up so many rules, stop trying to set people in a caste, it's not working.
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Anonymous2006-11-26 23:31
>>95
"Up until now, society has allowed men to go without vasectomies, but now it is proving to be an issue.. and when some freedoms are being abused, they must be taken away. "
How gracious of 'society' to 'allow' men to not have their genitals forcibly mutilated.
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Anonymous2006-11-26 23:41
>>97
"This entire thread is fucking dumb. You can't "abuse a right". That a misnomer. Forced dick clipping is just as bad as taking away the right to choose abortion or birth. The very notion of a right is that there are no limits. Stop limiting, stop setting up so many rules, stop trying to set people in a caste, it's not working."
AC, I am in agreement with you that it is wrong to infringe upon the right of women to abort. Any interference with this is a violation of women's rights and must be fought rigorously.
Men have been unable to control themselves. Mandatory vasectomies would help ease the violence against women. It is important that women and women's rights are respected, not eroded. Men have been using their rights in a matter that is obviously abusive to women, to say the least. If mandatory vasectomies are what it takes to protect women, it must be done, and that is really all there is to it. Women come first.
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Anonymous2006-11-26 23:58
>>1 and >>95 seem to think that MEN and their PENISES are to blame for all kind of problems. But you fuckers haven't even considered that WOMEN are also responsible for their actions. When some dumb slut gets knocked up for the 8th time it's just as much her fault as it is the guy(s) who fucked her. So, now we must ask ourselves, shouldn't we just make it manditory for women to have their tubes tied?
No I don't mean that seriously, but come on guys. Men don't bear the sole responsiblity of causing or preventing pregnancy. It takes two to tango, you know.
And as far as rape is concerned, it should just be treated at the highest of all crimes, with an immediate death penalty. If our society were to abhor rape above all other crimes, including murder, it would drastically reduce it occurance.
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Anonymous2006-11-27 1:02
>>100
"So, now we must ask ourselves, shouldn't we just make it manditory for women to have their tubes tied?"
Of course not. That would be a violation of women's rights. No doubt, you are thinking, "well, what about men's rights?" As you think this, I suggest you go read >>95 and >>99.
Yes, some of these policies could be seen as unfair or discriminatory. To this, all I have to say is, tough. Violence and crimes against women have been perpetrated for years and years, and now it is time for all you men to move on over, because it is our turn. Haven't you caused enough damage already? Everything wrong with the world is there due to the actions of men.
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Anonymous2006-11-27 3:04
this entire thread is dumb as shit, i'm a male, and all i can say is wtf?
like seriously, wtf?
firstly, forced vasectomies on all males? why? because women won't get raped and they won't have babiez all the time.
As someone stated earlier, vasectomy doesn't make one incapable of sexual pleasure, so i suppose women would still get raped?
and as someone else also stated earlier, women have a part in getting pregnant as well. they can tell the guy he MUST wear a condom, they can take the pill, there are different kinds of female contraceptions, and i know the "the-day-after" pill has just been introduced in the US (we've had it here for a while). And if you fail to use any of those things, both from the male and the female side, then there's always abortion.
secondly, do you really, HONESTLY think, that the world would be a better place if it was controlled only by women? and if so, why?
"ohh, it's because women are good natured. nurturing sweethearts that only want the best for everybody" yeah... right...
I'm not saying women shouldn't be in power, or only men should be in power, but that it should be a mixture, too much of either side lead to a certain unhealthy one-sidedness if you ask me.
To those of you who are all "omg, it's men who aren't able to control themselves, therefor they, and not women, should have vasectomies" well what about female nymphomans? If you want to give all males vasectomies, then i say you should do something similar to women, not because it would be needed physiologically, but to have a sense of equity in society. And if it's not a mans "right" to have sex with a woman and impregnate her, is it then a womans "right" to accept his sperm and carry their child? shouldn't we just take the egg and the sperm and then have some sort of incubation device deal with it. That way we wouldn't have to deal with the "inequality" of women having to be away from the job market during a period of their pregnancy.
anyways, if you have to take rights away, take rights away from everybody, otherwise it's not fair.
now, someone is going to say "BUT IT'S NOT FAIR THE WAY WOMEN HAVE BEEN TREATED FOR THE LAST LONG TIME!!!" well, you're right, only recently has there been a larger level of equality between men and women, but that's not an argument for shifting the inequality the other way. Starting some sort of gender-bloodfeud definately won't solve anything, whether it's unwanted pregnancies or general inequality between men and women.
Forcing vasectomies on all males.... makes the human race extinct. heh.
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Anonymous2006-11-27 13:11
>>104
You didn't read post >>1. You would be allowed to have some sperm stored away in the event you wanted children.
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Anonymous2006-11-27 13:25
>>102
"because women won't get raped and they won't have babiez all the time. "
Not just rape. It also forces men to take the responsibility that they haven't been taking all this time. Women should not have to bear the responsibilities for the bodily functions of men. Forced vasectomies is merely forcing the responsibility of caring for ones' body on men. Besides, it will be beneficial to women, who have been abused. To make amends for past abuses of women, abusing men is justified.
should men have to bear the responsibility for the bodily functions of women?
and your other argument is like saying "we should make a law that makes sure white people can't get a good job because they were so mean to black people in the past"
it's the sort of argumentation that NEVER works. it's punishing all for the actions of the few. "people murder other people with their arms, so we should cut all peoples arms off"
"and your other argument is like saying "we should make a law that makes sure white people can't get a good job because they were so mean to black people in the past"
It is, kindof. That is definitely a good reason to support affirmative action as well then isn't it? Women have been abused in the past, and now it is time we women of society payed males back with a taste of their own discrimination. It should teach them a lesson.
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Anonymous2006-11-27 15:19
a lesson in what? stupidity?
retarded cunt
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Anonymous2006-11-27 15:50
>>111
The logic is inescapably simple. You see, women have been discriminated against and violated in the past. The slate is not yet clean. In order to make things fair, balanced, and equitable, it is necessary that we discriminate against males a little in the reverse direction. This is, of course, justified due to the past hardships that women have had to go through. This is all the justification needed for forced vasectomies, and I say go for it. If you don't like it, that's too bad. Maybe you men shouldn't have been so abusive to women in the past then. Serves you right.
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Anonymous2006-11-27 18:55
>>112
that logic is inescapably stupid. makes me understand why some men abuse women with the amount of shit spewing out of your mouth.
*disclaimer* i do not consent violence against women, i am simply voicing my opinion of the lady who made the above post
lol
anyways, what then when you have given all the males vasectomies, and they go all "omg, the women have given all men vasectomies, look at how unfair it is, now we must do something to them" then they do something to the women.... some time passes.... women do something to the men... etc. etc. untill we have a society of mutilated retards.
"You hit me in the face when i was three" is not a justification for punching someone in the face.
I simply cannot understand your logic. Past actions by a minority of a population does not in ANY logic way, result in present punishment for the entire population.
you say the slate isn't clena yet, well let me take that example and use it.
Men have over the last many ages scribbled the slate with actions against women, this is what you're saying. And then you say, that the only way, to clean the slate, is by women scribbling over the scribblings of men. Lady, the slate does not become clean from this, it becomes scribbled twice.
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Anonymous2006-11-27 19:23
>>113
"You hit me in the face when i was three" is not a justification for punching someone in the face."
Her argument is even more stupid than that, since a lot of said discrimination has been gone for more than one generation of people, and is now history, simple as that. Not all males living here right now discriminate or discriminated against women. Many are immigrants who very well might have NO ties whatsoever to past discrimination that occurred in the USA. Even in the event that someone was a descendent of someone who discriminated against women, said person themself did not actually discriminate against women, so discriminating against that person would NOT be justice, it would be injustice. FRESH injustice.
Maybe you should GET BACK IN THE FUCKING KITCHEN! BTW men are superior and lifes not fair deal with the fact God hates you thats why you were born a woman
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Anonymous2006-11-30 13:29
omg u r all so mean ;-;
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Anonymous2006-11-30 16:00
>>116 Retards like you make me ashamed to be a man.
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Anonymous2006-11-30 17:15
>>118
Agreed. However I think any intelligent person would find >>112 equally retarded.
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Anonymous2006-11-30 17:36
How about we intelligent men and women get together and sterilise the retards?
You will be slaves to the Gynocracy until you are very, very old men and even then you will long to return to the warmth of your servitude. Bwa-ha-ha!
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Anonymous2006-12-04 10:59
I'm sorry, but discriminating against men for a while to get "revenge" is stupid.
Some of my ancestors probably either owned slaves for fought in the civil war to preserve black slavery. I don't agree with the idea of slavery, I think it was wrong. Punishing me for things that I never did makes no sense whatsoever -- especially when I believe that my ancestors were wrong!
The same goes with women. I'll fight for a woman's rights; they deserve a fair shot. I'll fight just as hard to protect my own, because I deserve a fair shot too. This grammar school-esqe policy of revenge is ridiculous. *I* wasn't discriminatory against women in any way, or indeed responsible for anything that happened before 1984 -- I deserve no punishment.
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Anonymous2006-12-04 21:51
>>124
ok. you can be a pet. but the nuts must still come off.
>>126
Because men discriminate against women so women should discriminate against men that way everything is equitable and everyone gets discriminated against evenly
>>127
What about men who don't discriminate against women? >>128
Because there is no reason why to begin with.
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The Wanker2006-12-06 6:04
Have you ever considered that females sometimes abuse males? They also sometimes abuse other females too.
Also woman raise and help create the men of the future. Perhaps theres a reason why so many of them are fucked up.
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Anonymous2006-12-06 17:41
Only those whom discriminate and be jerks to other people should be punished. It goes both way. I don't care about gender.
>>130 People like you make me ashamed to be a man. I'm strong enough not to make idiotic ideas like that, I'm more insecure than to put idiotic blame on women. Both husband and wife play an important part in a child's developement, fault can go both ways.
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Anonymous2006-12-08 13:59
>>129
their parents probably discriminated against women
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Anonymous2006-12-10 5:53
>>132
I'll bet one of your ancestors murdered someone, somewhere along the lines of history. Lets throw you in jail!
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Anonymous2006-12-10 7:42
>>132
Many of your ancestors committed horrible crimes. Become an hero to prove you are not a hypocrite. If you are still alive and type any more you are immediately wrong as you are a hypocrite.
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Anonymous2006-12-12 12:54
stupid feminazis
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Anonymous2006-12-13 1:57
except for the smart people making posts here you are all idiots... like it has been said before,
A) you can not punish someone for something they have not done - absolutely no question about it. And forced vasectomies on men count as punishment.
B) >>74 "If men didnt exist neither would the worlds problems."
If we were to get rid of all the men then the population would not be able to reproduce, oh wait what was it that >>1 said, oh yeah, that is right, we can collect sperm samples, so clearly this is just a feminazi dream... give birth to guys keep them in cells, collect their sperm when they become of age and then kill them... am I right here? That wasnt a question by the way...
Seriously people, we need actually good ideas instead of killing of the population.