Forced vasectomies on all males

Once a male reaches puberty, it will be mandatory for him to get a vasectomy.  Of course, before this they will freeze some of his semen for future use if he wishes.  This will solve the problem of teenage and unwanted pregnancies.  More importantly, we'll no longer have to argue over abortion.

Nobel Prize, here I come!

>>79
No it's your PENIS!

>>79
haha, hardly. "lol men suck" isnt exactly an impressive burn. i'm sorry you don't get laid enough, but that isn't mens fault, even if it makes you feel better about yourself.

>>78 Simple.
>>82 Banal.

>>74
Generalizing about men that way... If you have had multiple bad sexual experiences and your partner(s) is/are unsatisfactory... the common denominator is YOU!

>>78 Troll
>>82 Dwarf
>>84 Druid

>>85
>>84 here, besides the fantasy reference, care to explain the reasoning behind it?

In all honesty, this thread is one of the most stupidest i've seen on /newpol/.

It is funny, but the funny is rapidly diminishing, the only thing on from here is lame, i say we end it.

>>1 would make a wonderful politician due to the fact that he's a moron.

>>83 Bombastic.
>>83 Pretentious.
 

>>1
Hmm, this is actually a good idea.  This would help the women of society.  It is high time we reign in these stupid men.

Lets hear it for genital mutilation.

FUCK Women! you want to give males vasectomies? well then we should cut off womens vaginas and tits as well. see how you like that dumb bitches, why not just make one entire androgynous society with no sexes, gee-jolly-whiz, what a great society that would be.

>>93 Stupid troll. A vasectomy doesn't hinder sexual pleasure, it boosts it. Also, you can't cut off vaginas. And cutting off breasts will have no effect, they don't transfer direct sexual stimulation. Dumbasses like you are the reason why males should have vasectomies.

>>93
"Also, you can't cut off vaginas.

Lets not throw a tantrum over stupid bullshit like this.  We all know this was what he was referring to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_circumcision

>>90
I have to agree.  Men have shown difficulty in controlling where their semen goes, and the results have been disastrous for the world's women.  Mandatory vasectomies would solve this.  It isn't really a big deal.  You can have some sperm saved for you in case you one day want to have children.  Up until now, society has allowed men to go without vasectomies, but now it is proving to be an issue.. and when some freedoms are being abused, they must be taken away. 

As >>1 said:

"This will solve the problem of teenage and unwanted pregnancies."

Too many young women's lives are being ruined by teenage and unwanted pregnancies.  Maybe if men would be more responsible, it would be ok for them to go without vasectomies.  Unfortunately, they aren't being responsible, and thus we should move to take away their rights that they are abusing. 

In the words of Bill Clinton: 

"When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly.... [However, now] there's a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there's too much freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it." -William Jefferson Clinton"

In that comment, President Clinton was referring to some rights that the Bill of Rights & Constitution contain.  Obviously, however, the above quote is easilly applicable to other situations as well.

When people abuse their 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms, that must be taken away.  When people abuse their 1st amendment right to free speech using offencive or foul language, we must move to restrict their right to speech.  When privacy rights such as those within the fourth amendment are protecting terrorists (essentially the same thing as being abused), they must be reconsidered.  When the government is unable to adequately continue the War on Terror because of complications regarding the 5th and 8th amendment, we must move to reduce, reform, or remove these rights.  When men use their penises irresponsibly, and this results in detriment and inconvenience to women and women's lives, men's rights may need to be infringed at least a little to help or rectify the situation, and that's all there is to it.

>>94 A clitorus and a vagina are not the same thing. Female circumcision is outright mutilation that carries many adverse health risks. Male circumcision is a safe practice.

>>95 Win. Thread ends.

>>95

This entire thread is fucking dumb. You can't "abuse a right". That a misnomer. Forced dick clipping is just as bad as taking away the right to choose abortion or birth. The very notion of a right is that there are no limits. Stop limiting, stop setting up so many rules, stop trying to set people in a caste, it's not working.

>>95
"Up until now, society has allowed men to go without vasectomies, but now it is proving to be an issue.. and when some freedoms are being abused, they must be taken away. "

How gracious of 'society' to 'allow' men to not have their genitals forcibly mutilated.

>>97
"This entire thread is fucking dumb. You can't "abuse a right". That a misnomer. Forced dick clipping is just as bad as taking away the right to choose abortion or birth. The very notion of a right is that there are no limits. Stop limiting, stop setting up so many rules, stop trying to set people in a caste, it's not working."

AC, I am in agreement with you that it is wrong to infringe upon the right of women to abort.  Any interference with this is a violation of women's rights and must be fought rigorously. 

Men have been unable to control themselves.  Mandatory vasectomies would help ease the violence against women.  It is important that women and women's rights are respected, not eroded.  Men have been using their rights in a matter that is obviously abusive to women, to say the least.  If mandatory vasectomies are what it takes to protect women, it must be done, and that is really all there is to it.  Women come first.

>>1 and >>95 seem to think that MEN and their PENISES are to blame for all kind of problems.  But you fuckers haven't even considered that WOMEN are also responsible for their actions.  When some dumb slut gets knocked up for the 8th time it's just as much her fault as it is the guy(s) who fucked her.  So, now we must ask ourselves, shouldn't we just make it manditory for women to have their tubes tied?

No I don't mean that seriously, but come on guys.  Men don't bear the sole responsiblity of causing or preventing pregnancy.  It takes two to tango, you know.

And as far as rape is concerned, it should just be treated at the highest of all crimes, with an immediate death penalty.  If our society were to abhor rape above all other crimes, including murder, it would drastically reduce it occurance.

>>100
"So, now we must ask ourselves, shouldn't we just make it manditory for women to have their tubes tied?"

Of course not.  That would be a violation of women's rights.  No doubt, you are thinking, "well, what about men's rights?" As you think this, I suggest you go read >>95 and >>99. 

Yes, some of these policies could be seen as unfair or discriminatory.  To this, all I have to say is, tough.  Violence and crimes against women have been perpetrated for years and years, and now it is time for all you men to move on over, because it is our turn.  Haven't you caused enough damage already? Everything wrong with the world is there due to the actions of men. 

this entire thread is dumb as shit, i'm a male, and all i can say is wtf?
like seriously, wtf?
firstly, forced vasectomies on all males? why? because women won't get raped and they won't have babiez all the time.
As someone stated earlier, vasectomy doesn't make one incapable of  sexual pleasure, so i suppose women would still get raped?
and as someone else also stated earlier, women have a part in getting pregnant as well. they can tell the guy he MUST wear a condom, they can take the pill, there are different kinds of female contraceptions, and i know the "the-day-after" pill has just been introduced in the US (we've had it here for a while). And if you fail to use any of those things, both from the male and the female side, then there's always abortion.

secondly, do you really, HONESTLY think, that the world would be a better place if it was controlled only by women? and if so, why?
"ohh, it's because women are good natured. nurturing sweethearts that only want the best for everybody" yeah... right...
I'm not saying women shouldn't be in power, or only men should be in power, but that it should be a mixture, too much of either side lead to a certain unhealthy one-sidedness if you ask me.

To those of you who are all "omg, it's men who aren't able to control themselves, therefor they, and not women, should have vasectomies" well what about female nymphomans? If you want to give all males vasectomies, then i say you should do something similar to women, not because it would be needed physiologically, but to have a sense of equity in society. And if it's not a mans "right" to have sex with a woman and impregnate her, is it then a womans "right" to accept his sperm and carry their child? shouldn't we just take the egg and the sperm and then have some sort of incubation device deal with it. That way we wouldn't have to deal with the "inequality" of women having to be away from the job market during a period of their pregnancy.

anyways, if you have to take rights away, take rights away from everybody, otherwise it's not fair.

now, someone is going to say "BUT IT'S NOT FAIR THE WAY WOMEN HAVE BEEN TREATED FOR THE LAST LONG TIME!!!" well, you're right, only recently has there been a larger level of equality between men and women, but that's not an argument for shifting the inequality the other way. Starting some sort of gender-bloodfeud definately won't solve anything, whether it's unwanted pregnancies or general inequality between men and women.

>>102
u only say that cause u r a male lolz

Forcing vasectomies on all males.... makes the human race extinct. heh.

>>104
You didn't read post >>1.  You would be allowed to have some sperm stored away in the event you wanted children.

>>102
"because women won't get raped and they won't have babiez all the time. "

Not just rape.  It also forces men to take the responsibility that they haven't been taking all this time.  Women should not have to bear the responsibilities for the bodily functions of men.  Forced vasectomies is merely forcing the responsibility of caring for ones' body on men.  Besides, it will be beneficial to women, who have been abused.  To make amends for past abuses of women, abusing men is justified.

>>106
you can turn that argument right around.

should men have to bear the responsibility for the bodily functions of women?

and your other argument is like saying "we should make a law that makes sure white people can't get a good job because they were so mean to black people in the past"

it's the sort of argumentation that NEVER works. it's punishing all for the actions of the few. "people murder other people with their arms, so we should cut all peoples arms off"

>>1
you win

>>1
you troll

>>107

"and your other argument is like saying "we should make a law that makes sure white people can't get a good job because they were so mean to black people in the past"

It is, kindof.  That is definitely a good reason to support affirmative action as well then isn't it?  Women have been abused in the past, and now it is time we women of society payed males back with a taste of their own discrimination.  It should teach them a lesson.

a lesson in what? stupidity?

retarded cunt

>>111
The logic is inescapably simple.  You see, women have been discriminated against and violated in the past.  The slate is not yet clean.  In order to make things fair, balanced, and equitable, it is necessary that we discriminate against males a little in the reverse direction.  This is, of course, justified due to the past hardships that women have had to go through.  This is all the justification needed for forced vasectomies, and I say go for it.  If you don't like it, that's too bad.  Maybe you men shouldn't have been so abusive to women in the past then.  Serves you right.

>>112
that logic is inescapably stupid. makes me understand why some men abuse women with the amount of shit spewing out of your mouth.
*disclaimer* i do not consent violence against women, i am simply voicing my opinion of the lady who made the above post

lol

anyways, what then when you have given all the males vasectomies, and they go all "omg, the women have given all men vasectomies, look at how unfair it is, now we must do something to them" then they do something to the women.... some time passes.... women do something to the men... etc. etc. untill we have a society of mutilated retards.

"You hit me in the face when i was three" is not a justification  for punching someone in the face.

I simply cannot understand your logic. Past actions by a minority of a population does not in ANY logic way, result in present punishment for the entire population.

you say the slate isn't clena yet, well let me take that example and use it.

Men have over the last many ages scribbled the slate with actions against women, this is what you're saying. And then you say, that the only way, to clean the slate, is by women scribbling over the scribblings of men. Lady, the slate does not become clean from this, it becomes scribbled twice.

>>113
"You hit me in the face when i was three" is not a justification  for punching someone in the face."

Her argument is even more stupid than that, since a lot of said discrimination has been gone for more than one generation of people, and is now history, simple as that.  Not all males living here right now discriminate or discriminated against women.  Many are immigrants who very well might have NO ties whatsoever to past discrimination that occurred in the USA.  Even in the event that someone was a descendent of someone who discriminated against women, said person themself did not actually discriminate against women, so discriminating against that person would NOT be justice, it would be injustice.  FRESH injustice. 

>>1

Can we just rape women when ever we want then beat them for getting pregnant

>>112


Maybe you should GET BACK IN THE FUCKING KITCHEN! BTW men are superior and lifes not fair deal with the fact God hates you thats why you were born a woman

omg u r all so mean ;-;

>>116 Retards like you make me ashamed to be a man.

>>118
Agreed. However I think any intelligent person would find >>112 equally retarded.

How about we intelligent men and women get together and sterilise the retards?