Some degree of immigration is ok, but I think it's safe to say we are being overrun.
Discuss.
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Anonymous2006-06-29 2:42
catholic mexican breeders are our only hope against the muslim zerg rush
discuss.
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Anonymous2006-06-29 3:17
Lets build a big wall across the southern border.
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Anonymous2006-06-29 3:19
Pull the troops out of Iraq, and put them on the southern border.
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Anonymous2006-06-29 12:44
The big problem behind it all is that, somehow, a lot of them are getting the same benefits from the government as americans do (soc. sec, welfare, etc) without ever paying a dime into the system.
They are, economically speaking, a drain on the taxpayers.
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Anonymous2006-06-29 16:11
>>5
So dump those programs, and the problem is solved.
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Steve2006-06-29 16:14
I think that a large Electric Fence would solve it.
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Anonymous2006-06-29 16:22
>>7
They'll cut the wires or something. I think I agree with >>4.
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Anonymous2006-06-29 16:25
Pay to get in works well IMO. Some not overly big sum so that anyone with decent income could pay it, but poor people couldn't.
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Anonymous2006-06-29 16:40
>>9 But what about control? The big problem right now with the border seems to be that immigration is completely uncontrolled. People can just run across the border as they please.
Why would they pay when they can just find a spot with no troops, and run across?
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Anonymous2006-06-30 0:02
Then Bush, who is not securing the border, refers to those who do his work for him (the Minutemen) as a bunch of 'vigilantes.'
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Anonymous2006-06-30 0:48
>>11
The minutement are vigilantes. And Bush is having problems doing his job because too many idiots are screaming for open border policies and think that everyone in Mexico should be allowed to come and go as they please.
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Anonymous2006-06-30 1:19
>>12
That is very misleading. According to the dictionary, a vigilante is: "One who takes or advocates the taking of law enforcement into one's own hands."
The minutemen do not actually arrest anyone. They do not take law enforcement into their own hands. They simply watch the border peacefully, and if they spot illegals crossing, they notify the appropriate people (such as the INS or whatever it is.)
Or according to some reports, murder them. You can't expect all of them to be friendly watchdogs that don't have a drop of Racially motivated violence in them.
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Anonymous2006-07-01 4:18
actually if there is more enforcement of business' that hire illegals. we wont even have to build a fence ('cept maybe to get the drug runners) you just have to make it so costly and risky to employ an illegal that almost nobody will. if there are no jobs for these people then there is no incentive to come over here, hence there wont be hardly anybody crossing over. hell most of them that are already here will probably leave. Also reforming the system of benefits so that they can't receieve any will help.
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Anonymous2006-07-01 4:25
lets just invade mexico and neuter them. problem solved within a generation
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Anonymous2006-07-01 5:33
Mexico's population is uncontrolled, we can't let them in or they will over populate the US. We're overpopulated as it is!
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Anonymous2006-07-01 9:57
kill every other wetback as an example to the other 50%. I think that would be a fair solution. Use a portion of the remaining wetbacks instead of lab rats, as they are slightly closer to human, and not as cute as rats.
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Anonymous2006-07-01 10:32
Mexicans are sentietn, but irresponsible. Until they start being responsible we cannot allow them to immigrate or it is unfair on us. Why should we have to shoulder the burden of their over population.
I dissapprove of bigotry, but since this is 4chan I'm not really botherred.
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Anonymous2006-07-01 13:49
>>17 Yes we need a big wall across the border.... or
bring the troops home from iraq, and put em on the border.
>>21 A more humanitarian action would be to let some jock-squadrons drive down, flash some $ and spawn an entire generation of Meximericans. Soon the southern part of the US and Mexico will be indistuingishable, and everything will blur together like Iraq and Iran does to an average working class kid.
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Anonymous2006-07-01 14:58
>>22
That would be inhumane, haven't you seen those stank nasty mexican bitches?
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Xel2006-07-01 15:13
>>23 Have you seen the jocks' fucking clothing/hairstyles? It's like, "Well, way to go guys. Now you don't have to go far when you want to bash a faggot."
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Anonymous2006-07-01 20:01
>>15
I don't think enforcement of business is the solution. In many instances, it's very hard to know if someone is an illegal or legal or not. I've heard many illegals pretty easilly obtain fake identification, and often, are even able to collect welfare, social security, register to vote, you name it. This is probly one good reason these programs are so out of control (budget-wise). I think they should be slashed.
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Anonymous2006-07-01 22:38
>>21
dumbass. If we nuke mexico then we're fucking ourselves in the ass as well. Remember the term "fallout"?!?!? The last thing we need is a bunch of Americans swelling up and dying on the streets. Hmmm...that'd be an interesting and yet distgusting site tho....hmm...
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Anonymous2006-07-01 23:03
The perfect solution.. I agree. Troops out of Iraq, and on the southern border. Problem solved.
The hippies will support it because they want the war to end. The conservatives will support it because ... we need border control.
This solution makes everyone happy.
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Anonymous2006-07-01 23:10
Heres the situaltion if the cheep labour cant come to america to work the american ecconomy will collapse. If the drug mules cant come over the boder to deliver the drug trade propign up the ecconomy will collapse. 1 basic fundemantal fact is every decent economy in history was proped up by some sorta lowerclass the romans hav the plebs the ameriacans hav the mexiacns.
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Anonymous2006-07-01 23:35
>>28
The american economy wouldn't collapse if we weren't in Iraq and Afghanistan, it'd boom. All that wasted money? If we put that into our economy instead? Imagine if we just gave it out as a tax cut to the middle class. That's about 2500$ a head. With both parents accounted for, you could buy a nice used car, a cheap new car, or maybe a new car with some extra funds from the family. You could buy a few computers/household. Big screen TVs, game systems, pools, paved driveways, etc... the list goes on and on. If we had all that money circling through our economy instead of pissed away like it has been, our economy would boom and we'd have a higher standard of living.
>>28 actually our economy is suffering because of illegal immigration. They are a drain on the economy, sure they add some money but they take so much more, healthcare, schools, and various other public services. Not to mention that most send money back to mexico which is just taking money out of our economy completely. plus most don't pay taxes. Your theory sucks.
And while we're still talking about this rome actually collapsed partly due to cheap labor (at least in my opinion). There were so many slaves in rome that ordinary citizens didn't have jobs and flocked to cities. Rome began handing out free bread and grain to these people and when they failed to do so what happened? People rioted. Rome the original welfare state failure.
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Anonymous2006-07-02 15:53
Over population doesn't begin when people begin to starve, or when people first begin to experience poverty. It begins when the gdp per capita has to decrease to accomodate more people.
How can we help the poor of America if we must expend resources feeding the excess poor of countries that lack the moral conscience to even begin to eliminate tyranny, let alone poverty? It is too much to ask that we stop having children to accomodate the over population of an inferior culture. Anyone who supports immigration with these facts in mind must hate american citizens and must have some desire to burn american liberties, such people have wool over their eyes and unless realism is extremism it is not extreme to want to ban immigration with countries that do not share our values.
Put notorious head tax on the illegal immigrants. That worked in Canada long time ago.
I don't mind being USA totally Mexican. We owe our cowboy culture from the Mexicans. Denying our Mexicaness is like denying our half of the culture.
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Anonymous2006-07-03 19:23
>>37
Cowboy culture comes from Spanish cow herders, not Mexican. The only thing Mexican in the western states is some culinary influence near the border.
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Anonymous2006-07-05 16:49
People need to wake up to this serious problem. I don't like the national ID card idea though... such a statist approach. I think we should just put troops on the border.
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Anonymous2006-07-05 19:47
>>39
As troops are reduced in Iraq they should be moved to our border. Hell why stop there? When we're completely out of Iraq we should liberate Mexico, Mexicans are much more helpable than Muslims.
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Anonymous2006-07-05 20:20
>>40
No. That'd be more tax money wasted. Just pull them out of Iraq and put them on the border.
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Anonymous2006-07-06 20:53
We should just isolate ourselves and let the rest of the world unfuck their own countries. Put a big wall and some border patrol on the southern border.
We should protect our borders here, and just ignore everyone else.
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Anonymous2006-07-07 16:54
We are experiancing one of the largest ironies of them all. Our military is in Iraq, protecting the Iraqis, rather than here at home, securing our border.
Is that not what the military is for? Protecting this land, these borders? They should all be put on the southern border.
>>45
That is very misleading. According to the dictionary, a vigilante is: "One who takes or advocates the taking of law enforcement into one's own hands."
The minutemen do not actually arrest anyone. They do not take law enforcement into their own hands. They simply watch the border peacefully, and if they spot illegals crossing, they notify the appropriate people (such as the INS or whatever it is.)
>>45
It was never tried in WW2. Now is a different time, anyway.
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Anonymous2006-07-07 17:23
>>46
"It was never tried in WW2. Now is a different time, anyway."
I wasn't talking about securing the southern border I was talking about isolationism. It doesn't work and it just screws things up badly. And this isn't a different time, the only thing that's changed is now there are ICBMs and a half-hearted European peace driven by their need to compete with others.
"It doesn't work and it just screws things up badly."
And interventionism doesn't? Why does everyone in the middle east hate us? Because of past interventionism.
Why would they come all the way across oceans and deserts just to attack us, if we hadn't done anything to piss them off?
Isolationism is not only what works, it's what's American. There are so many instances in writing showing very obviously that the Founding Fathers had an isolationist society in mind.
This is a different time. There isn't a huge Nazi military force that is consuming Europe nation by nation. The world was fine until we invaded Iraq.
Furthermore, the money consumed by this measure is ridiculous.
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Anonymous2006-07-07 20:04
YOU ARE ALL RACISTS LOL!
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Anonymous2006-07-07 20:33
>>50
Unfortunatly this is a common defence for those who wish to allow illegal immigrants. It has nothing to do with racism though. The truth is if Canada was the 3rd world nation at our southern border and whites were flooding in I'd push just as hard to stop it.
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Anonymous2006-07-07 21:18
>>50
The impoverished black community beg to differ.
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Anonymous2006-07-07 23:30
thread TL;DR
we should buttsechs mexicans ;)
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Anonymous2006-07-07 23:33
thread TL;DR
we should buttsechs mexicans ;)
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Anonymous2006-07-08 0:08
thread TL;DR
we should buttsechs mexicans ;)
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Anonymous2006-07-08 0:56
Troops out of Iraq, and put on the border. Problem solved.
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Truth2006-07-08 1:53
White people are pussies. They don't get offended. They don't organize. Hell, they don't even defend their own interests. They don't care about their own existence, therefore they don't have rights. They worship at the altar of a slave religion where they are a big bunch of evil boogeymen. Therefore immigrants have more rights than natural born citizens, and native born whities have the least rights of all.
Time and history have no patience for pussies, and white people are just a big fat bunch of pussies. Keel over and die already. You're going to be a minority in the U.S. by 2050, the U.K. by 2100, and you're already a world minority. In a couple of centuries you'll be a foul memory and dust. Get over yourselves and just accept the future. It's called fate bozos; look it up.
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Anonymous2006-07-08 2:25
Regarding the mexican immigration, into the U.S. border:
>>1
How about just a "get in or get out" clause in imigration law. Meaning that when an imagrant comes over legally they have so many years to become a citizen of the US. If they don't they are shipped back out. Illegal immigrants of course are imediately shipped out. Make American English the national language. Nobody is a citizen without achiving a highschool equivilant eduation(force national standards as to what this means), and serve in the armed services for at least 2 years(Include such service as peace corp for those conticancius objectors). Make jobs for the physically challanged, and those mentally incapeable of doing all this don't get citizenship(most are incapeable of understanding the concept of citizenship anyways). I really don't give a damn what race you are, anyone that wants to be a citizen has to fill those requirements. Everyone has to fill the same ones, no exceptions.
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Anonymous2006-07-10 2:59
>>61
Yes, but how are you going to ENFORCE any of these laws, would seem to be the point. We have plenty of laws that seem fine as it is, but none of them are ENFORCED. Immigrants just cross the southern border into the U.S. whenever they please.
I don't think we need national ID cards or anything, we just need some troops on the border.
As a means of enforcing things, don't you think putting troops on the southern border would be sufficient?
YOU ARE OF SUPERIOR GENETIC MATERIAL TO EUROPE LOL
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Anonymous2006-07-10 3:38
"White people are pussies. They don't get offended. They don't organize. Hell, they don't even defend their own interests. They don't care about their own existence, therefore they don't have rights. They worship at the altar of a slave religion where they are a big bunch of evil boogeymen. Therefore immigrants have more rights than natural born citizens, and native born whities have the least rights of all."
logic lol
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Anonymous2006-07-10 4:16
LEAVE THE SEXY BIG HISPANIC WOMEN WITH THE BIGSEXY BUTTS
BUT SEND THE MEN BACK