why I love the West

it's because I couldn't exist in any other society. There is no way someone with my views, ideas and interests could develop outside of the western civilisation.

So, on one hand, I dispise a large segment of the west for being mindless, shallow, consumerist cunts (among other things), but at the same time I love it because it made me who I am and I depend on it. The few things that I like are products of the west, and all of the people I like are westerners at least by heart, if not geographical position.

It took me a long time to figure out why I would be willing to defend something that I, in general, don't really like, but this is why.

discuss.

You are a product of the society you live in. If Western so-called civilisation didn't exist, you would be a product of some other society. Therefore, your point makes no sense.

The rampant individualism of Western culture (note the endless use of "I" in your post) along with the idea of dominance/subordination and totalitarianism is what is behind much of the malaise and destructiveness in world.

The idea that you have to "defend" (a euphemism for attack) against something that isn't "you" (what you call Western civilisation) is the basic idea behind fascism, which has and is showing itself to be an imminent part of Western "civilisation."

I find it interesting that aggressive countries always talk about defending their way of life, all that's good and holy, etc. when they're in the midst of aggressive actions. Also interesting is that aggressive countries tend to be the strongest, for obvious reasons.

Everybody calls nationalists fascists. So, if you love your culture or have any loyalty to anything that is

Standing up for the west doesn't mean that you are a 'nazithatwantstokillsixmillionjews,' although strangely enough Jews say that anybody who stands up for white people or their culture is a 'nazithatwantstokillsixmillionjews' strangely enough...

Fascist has just sort of lost its meaning, and now it's just a token insult thrown at anybody with loyalty to their race or culture.

What I think is even more hilarious is that the hardcore western civilization types embrace openmindness, intelligence, debate,  reason, and (dare I say) truth, and yet they are told that they are merely biased towards their civilization.

Well, I hate to tell you, but, Western Civilization in its most rarefied form is the most intellectual, reasoning, and openminded form of culture. I'm not this APRIORI. In other words, it's in the very definition of Western Civilization starting with Socrates in Greece, to question everything and look for the very best answer, not the popular or palatable answer, but the truth as can best be known. So, I know that Western culture in its most rarefied is the most reasoning, openminded, and intellectual form of culture, because that is the very definition of who we are, what we're looking for, and who we are trying to be.

We may not be the universal all-knowing pillars of wisdom, but at least we're working towards it.

'that is' should be followed by, "then you're a 'nazithatwantstokillsixmillionjews.'

'I'm not this APRIORI' should be 'I know this APRIORI.'

Apriori meaning that the definition is contained within the word you are saying.. The typical example is, 'A bachelor is an unmarried man.' Unmarried man is contained within bachelor.

You'll have to forgive me; my allergies are acting up.

>>2

Every single race and nation wants to defend itself and should defend itself. Calling the defense of a people a crime is a cowardly attack against that people, the purest manifestation of hate veiled in sweet platitudes. It's the venom of a merciless snake.

The current idiocy of the US and Israel is not a product of nationalism but of GLOBALISM. The national spirit isn't an end to these people, but a means that they desperately seek to corrupt and alternately stifle for their own use.

Calling the defense of a people a crime is a cowardly attack against that people, the purest manifestation of hate veiled in sweet platitudes.

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
LOVE IS HATE

>>7
You can get people to do anything if you wrap yourself in the flag while asking them.

>>9
No. You can't. Only works if they are loyal to you and believe in your cause in the first place. Also, if you try to get them to do something against their beliefs or the cause you'll still have to use some sort of psychological, social, or physical threat to compel them to follow your directions. That is the beginning of tyranny. A flag is merely the symbol of an idea.

>>10 needs to study the history of propaganda.

>>You are a product of the society you live in. If Western so-called civilisation didn't exist, you would be a product of some other society. Therefore, your point makes no sense.

BUT THEN IT WOULDN'T BE ME. which is the point, dumbass. Or are you so far engrossed in your collectivist ideals that you don't recognise individuality?

>>The rampant individualism of Western culture (note the endless use of "I" in your post) along with the idea of dominance/subordination and totalitarianism is what is behind much of the malaise and destructiveness in world.

It's also behind most of the cultural and scientific progress in the world. but you faggots never mention that.

>>The idea that you have to "defend" (a euphemism for attack) against something that isn't "you" (what you call Western civilisation) is the basic idea behind fascism, which has and is showing itself to be an imminent part of Western "civilisation."

lol, faggot. go back to sucking marx's cock. you are clueless.

Or are you so far engrossed in your collectivist ideals that you don't recognise individuality?

I don't know about the other guy, but I find people who think that collectivism and individuality are mutually exclusive are idiots. You're an individual. You're also a member of a family, city, country, and culture.

It's also behind most of the cultural and scientific progress in the world.

Uh, no. Take a look how scientists work: while there is personal recognition, the only reason it works is because there isn't a me, me, me! mentality. The Soviets also had some impressive science, even though life was shit.

i guess that's why they award all those prizes to individuals for scientific achievement. i guess that's why science has more 'heroes' than any other human endavour. i guess that's why things in science are named after those who discovered it. i guess that's why there are literally battles as to who will get to publish something first and get credit for it. i guess that's why....

you really have no idea how science works, do you? for all practical purposes, science == west == individualism.

The west is so succesful culturally because anyone who stands in the west and criticises it is instantly debunked.

The west is most famous for freedom of speech and science, things which throughout history have been opressed by various tyrants. The west was once ruled by tyranny, but it developped these 2 ideals and made them a reality, it is like the first people to develop agriculture or the first people to create a code of laws. It is a technology and anyone who does not use it will be worse off for it. The west didn't win the cold war, the communists decided to become western and adopt these ideals because they are simply better.

Anyone who stands in the west, living off the fruits of technology and uses their freedom of speech to criticise the government is in fact proving themselves to be foolish as all they are doing is backing up the fact that the west has these better ideals and is progressing.

>>13
>>14
I think you two are missing the point. The Russians developped military technology, their mentality was purely sun tzu. 1 scientist who invents the ak47 is worth millions of soldiers as he increases the efficiency of 10 million soldiers by a tenth. 1 scientist who invents a machine to milk cows is worth 0 soldiers because people who milk cows usually won't become soldiers. What they should have been is Adam Smithians, but usually anyone who mentionned a philosopher other than Marx was forced into slave labour. Since they were vicious tyrants.

Also it is one thing to make a discovery and another to put it into use to make the world a better place. This is why Edison was so famous, he didn't invent the light bulb, but he did invent research and development which allows us all those different washing up liquids, toothpastes and electric razors we enjoy today. We wouldn't be sitting here tapping away over the internet if it wasn't for R&D.

Wow, that's some nice interpretive powers you have there, >>14. I suppose if you look at science purely in isolation, that'd be pretty damning.

Oh, wait...

hay guys whats going on (˚∀˚) ...

( 'ω`) We're talking about science and civilization, Junior.

The West is superior!

>>2

nice. big ups for your post.

>>2
>>21
Why aren't other societies like the west then? Why don't they enter the age of reason? I think you hate the west and instead of adopting western values and moving on like countries like Jamaica and Japan are doing, you prefer to wallow in your own decomposing cultural faeces and whip yourself into a paranoid frenzy of hate never moving forward because that would involve doing things that people in the west have done.

>>22
Indeed, most other countries would rather rationalise why they have remained primitive savages and, like monkeys, toss shit at anyone who points out the deficencies in their culture (eg, clitendectomies, throwing acid in the face of women who turn down marriage).

Western culture is not perfect, heaven knows, but it's the best we've got; and savages need to catch the fuck up.

>>22
lol jamaica. does the term "third world" mean anything to you?

>>24
Jamaica has a superior culture to other 3rd world nations. For a start it isn't ruled by gunmen and warlords. The government is democratic and has the same emphasis on eliminating poverty, education and improving the economy as other western governments. Though the government is struggling to attract investors due to high crime and it's flawed approaches to economic policy it is thriving in terms of liberty and justice and has not sold out it's culture, in fact it is a culture exporter with many tourists flocking to the country and non-jamaican blacks across the world readily adopting their customs.

So what if it is third world, at least it isn't completely fucked like anti-western nations. I'd rather live in Jamaica than Cuba.

Cuba has universal healthcare and nearly 100% literacy rate.

You sir are a fool >>26
How abou the fact that they have been under the same ruler for almost 30 years or i think it has been longer not exactly sure and most countries have universal healthcare so thats nothing to brag about and 100% literacy rate?? lol you lil simple minded fool who is to say they dont just make up those statistics because if cuba is so great why do people i know that got here from cuba say how horrible it is so next time you have a thought just hold it in

Ive never met someone from Cuba that didn't lear how to read while they were in America or had terrible reading skills

>>22

Throwing acid in somebody's face is just the local way of saying hello! Stop being a bigoted closed-minded racist white enslaver nazithatwantstokillsixmillionjews.

You now have permission to go curl up into a ball and die, but before you do, you should donate all your money to the local synagogue, holocaust museum, and united negro college fund. After all, a mind is a terrible thing to waste, and only black people have minds worth saving.

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http://www.nationalvanguard.org/

Holy libfaggotry and self-hatred ITT.

I love western civilization, I mean look at the great - wait, what's that? A website? Let me check it out.

www.stormfront.org

OH MY GOD, HOW CAN PEOPLE THIS RETARDED SHARE MORE OF THEIR DNA WITH ME THAN A CHIMPANZEE

>>32
I lol'd.