Terry Schiavo

Hay guyz let's have a right-to-die thread.  Discuss the case.

I'll just say I feel she's a right to die.

Even though it's a 'current event' we can broaden it with the right to die in general.  it doesn't fit too well in any other board anyways.

If someone wants to commit suicide then their life clearly is full of pain and you should not trick them into not killing themself.
You should give them advice on how to kill themselves effectively so they don't end up just as miserable but also retarded and paralized by a bad suicide attempt.

this one is going down in the history books

roe v wade redux

See, I live in the Tampa Bay area and I have an opinion on this.

If she did wish to die under these kinds of circumstances that badly, she really should have written them down. She did not have it in writing that she wished to die, so by law, she should not have her feeding tube removed.

Secondly, I'm not avdicating for her life, honestly, I want all these news stories to stop as much as anyone else. But one thing I must say is appauling is the fact that they're just going to STARVE HER TO DEATH.

Yeah, if you're going to let her die, at least give her euthanasia or something humane. Instead, she's just going to wither away silently. And that, my friends, is SICK.

Leave it to the court system.

>>5
I agree.  The law and medical ethics do not as yet allow euthanasia so this alas, is the only option.  The solution as you pointed out is to WRITE IT DOWN.

"Leave it to the court system"

It was. 
{begin rant}
Six years of it, I believe.  And at every turn the courts upheld her husband's right to decide.  But the Christo-Fasist Cabal in Congress, the same people who scream about "States Rights" and the Sanctity of life AND MARRIAGE are now stepping in saying "State courts have NO meaning.  Your local laws have NO meaning.  WE are the Law".

And Bush just flew back to Washington to sign.

They have no interest in her as a human being  With the blood  and suffering of hundreds of thousands on their hands, what's one more?

They are cynically using her.
{end rant}

>>5

they figure they have about 6-7 days to appeal it before she dies

republican pro-lifers are trying a last ditch effort.. calling her to "testify" infront of congress by subpoena

she has to be alive to "testify" right...
but god, can you imagine the media circus in that courtroom

she'll wish she _was_ dead

i thought conservatives were all supposed to be yay federalism and stuff...

>>8

Boy did you ever think wrong.  Although you could argue it to various degrees in history hundreds of years past, it hasn't been the case throughout much of American history.  That's why this interventionist trend in Neo-conservatism has everyone like 'aw hell naw that's not what you used to be like'.

>>1
I think her parents have a right-to-keep.
>>6
The fact that she's being used politically, by people who ignore many other similar cases, is irrelevant. The bottom line is that this would set a precedent.

>>10
Yes, this issue is a no-lose situation for Republicans...
It is an easy, sure-thing case to get written into law on the general topic of religious-based 'right to life'(hey, they'll take what they can get)
It is definite concrete progress for their 'life' agenda and you are certainly correct about the legal precident being what matters here

Funny how they are using Delay's image to spearhead it, in light of his recent ethical problems.... trying to redeem him in the eyes of evangelicals?
But Frist was no surprise(2nd billing this time).. He is the most powerful senator... by default they use his image for any large agenda campaigns, Delay seems to have asked to piggyback this easy win for his own image improvement. Frist is a MedicalDoctor you know... we call him DR Pfizer (lol)

Delay gives the right wingers plausible deniability to the christo-fasists when this fails.  And Yes I believe it will fail.  THIS JUST IN!  The 11th US Court of appeals said NO.

Jeb's already setting up round #2 (or round #20+ if you're Shiavo) trying to ram through a bill in Florida to start the whole damn thing over again in State courts.

This also sets up the talking points for the ramming through of Bush's judical nominees, overturning Roe v Wade and Oregon's assisted suicide law.

Here's the problem.  Essentailly, Terry is dead.  She's a reanimated corpse they have laying in that bed.  The only reason that anybody is making a big deal over her at all is because some strange quirk of her lower brain, even more primative than the part we have in common with lizards, is keeping her eyes open.  It took an hour of constant prompting and attempts to get her 'attention' to get her to possibly react to her NAME.  And even then, the reaction that people are claiming could have just been gas or something.

The PERSON that was Terry Schaivo isn't THERE anymore.

She had a heart attack due to complications from Bulemia 15 years ago.  She went into a coma.  Her higher brain functions have ceased.  She's NOT there anymore.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Doesn't this basic right to life cover all areas of life, including death?

if i hear the sylables 'shiyaaiyvo' one more time im gonna flip out

in the time it took me to type this like 5 million africans just keeled over from dehydration

>>15

good. niggers areviolent monkeys and thieves.

>>15
Yes!  Funny isn't, how those lives don't get quite the same press?  Your numbers might need some revising but your premise is dead on.

It should be clear by now to all but the Rapture (Raptor?) Right what's at stake here:

Power.

The power to keep you slaves to them

I'm fucking sick of all the fucking idiot CELEBRITIES coming out of the woodwork and putting in their two cents on this debacle...

"Well...  Your daughter may be brain-dead, and you want her to find some peace,  BUT THE BITCH WHO PLAYS THE WIFE ON EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND SAYS SHE SHOULD STAY ALIVE!!!"

She's dead. Oh well.

>>5
You know why she got starved to death? Because Republicans made sure euthanasia is illegal. It would've been a felony to OD her on morphine or something.

>>8
Republicans are all about states' rights. Until a state does something they don't like. What they're really for is states' rights to enact the GOP agenda.

>>11
No-win? Not according to the poll numbers. 70% of Americans were opposed to their intervention. And from what the pro-life activists are saying, the other 30% are pissed at Republicans for not going far enough.

But of course lets make Weed Illegal to. God knows it woul provide a tromendus boost to the Economy and clear out the prison's!

>>21
totaly related i agree!

I dont think that anyone here looked at her husbands motives to remove her feeding tube. I read about a year ago that he went to court to try to get a divorce. The reason, he had another woman waiting on the side.  They said no because the divorce cant be official unless she can make a decision and sign the papers.  She couldnt.  It was then that he started to push for having her feeding tube taken out.  He wanted to get married again so because he couldnt get out of his current marriage, she had to die.  The problem was that she didnt. 

Its also nice to hear that about 3 days before she died he arranged to have an autopsy to prove that she was seriously brain damaged.  She wasnt even dead yet and he aranged to have her cut open and examined.  To top this off, after her death, her parents wanted to give her a proper christian funeral and have her burried.  her husband said no and decided that he wants her cremated. Makes you wander.  Seems to me that hes going to get someone to go and say what he wants them to say then go and burn the body so he cant be proved wrong.

And in the end, it was not right to have her starve to death.  If she were on medication, or breathing tubes, or any of that, it would be different.  But instead she slowly starved to death over a period of several days. For any person, that is not right.

I dont think that anyone here looked at her husbands motives to remove her feeding tube. I read about a year ago that he went to court to try to get a divorce. The reason, he had another woman waiting on the side.  They said no because the divorce cant be official unless she can make a decision and sign the papers.  She couldnt.  It was then that he started to push for having her feeding tube taken out.  He wanted to get married again so because he couldnt get out of his current marriage, she had to die.  The problem was that she didnt. 

Its also nice to hear that about 3 days before she died he arranged to have an autopsy to prove that she was seriously brain damaged.  She wasnt even dead yet and he aranged to have her cut open and examined.  To top this off, after her death, her parents wanted to give her a proper christian funeral and have her burried.  her husband said no and decided that he wants her cremated. Makes you wander.  Seems to me that hes going to get someone to go and say what he wants them to say then go and burn the body so he cant be proved wrong.

And in the end, it was not right to have her starve to death.  If she were on medication, or breathing tubes, or any of that, it would be different.  But instead she slowly starved to death over a period of several days. For any person, that is not right.

I dont think that anyone here looked at her husbands motives to remove her feeding tube. I read about a year ago that he went to court to try to get a divorce. The reason, he had another woman waiting on the side.  They said no because the divorce cant be official unless she can make a decision and sign the papers.  She couldnt.  It was then that he started to push for having her feeding tube taken out.  He wanted to get married again so because he couldnt get out of his current marriage, she had to die.  The problem was that she didnt. 

Its also nice to hear that about 3 days before she died he arranged to have an autopsy to prove that she was seriously brain damaged.  She wasnt even dead yet and he aranged to have her cut open and examined.  To top this off, after her death, her parents wanted to give her a proper christian funeral and have her burried.  her husband said no and decided that he wants her cremated. Makes you wander.  Seems to me that hes going to get someone to go and say what he wants them to say then go and burn the body so he cant be proved wrong.

And in the end, it was not right to have her starve to death.  If she were on medication, or breathing tubes, or any of that, it would be different.  But instead she slowly starved to death over a period of several days. For any person, that is not right.

>>23

Your read wrong. He could've divorced her any time he wanted.

And I'm glad he's not giving her parents what they want. Now that Terri's dead, they've revealed their true colors: they sold a list of everyone who donated to them to a marketing firm.

She's dead. Stop talking about her and show some reverence!

>>26
Wrong, three is a law that says that both parties have to be able to sign the divorce papers for them to be legal.  At the time, she was unable to sign them.  When he asked the courts to aloow for the divorce, they ruled no because they were unsure at the time the chances of her later commin to and then suddenly having everythign changed on her.

>>28
Got a single shred of evidence to support that claim?

He could've gotten a divorce without her consent, in that case. Any question of whether she would recover would be irrelevant, because she was clearly incapacitated at that time. Michael Schiavo was her legal guardian and had power of attorney over her, so he could've divorced her at any time he wanted.

Besides, there WASN'T any serious question of whether she could recover. The chances of recovering after mere MONTHS in a persistent vegetative state are infintesimal. She'd already been in one for 7 years when Michael decided the tube should be removed. Her cerebral cortex had liquefied. Aside from divine intervention, there's no damn way anyone can recover from that.

Terry Schiavo wins!

>>29
>>Aside from divine intervention, there's no damn way anyone can recover from that.
Thats what the pro-life people were hoping for. A divie intervention.

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