I don't know where this would go, but considering the world these days...
So, Christians...question:
WHO BAD?
WHO LIED?
Why did God say that the fruit of knowledge would surely kill us? Why is it when the snake offered Eve the fruit and Eve- the fruit to Adam...that we didn't die? You do realize that if Eve didn't eat the fruit, we human beings wouldn't be here, right? Tell me something else...you do understand that your religion is strictly against mankind's progress on earth, don't you?
LOL ARE THERE EVEN ANY CHRISTIANS ON FOUR CHAN?
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jacko2005-12-31 7:16
I'm bad
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Anonymous2005-12-31 13:56
Any interesting news, or debate about recent happenings.
P.S.: religion blows, lol @ lamb losers
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Anonymous2006-01-01 13:22
I have pondered this many times. In the story, if humans never had thw knowledge of good and evil, they would essentially be animals, not having an idea of sin. This would make them living on a terrestrial heaven, as sin would be impossible because no one has the concept of sin (though they could still commit what we would consider sin). If God knowingly wanted humans to have the concept of sin, why make a "perfect" place called Heaven? Damn book is full of plot holes.
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Anonymous2006-01-01 13:53
>>4
Does it all HAVE to make sense? I call Occam's Razor.
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Anonymous2006-01-01 15:26
>>5
someone explain Occam's Razor to me in english please, I'm an idiot.
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Anonymous2006-01-01 19:01
>>6
Occam's Razor for Dummies: "The simplest explanation is usually right." In this case, >>5 is saying that trying to make sense of these stories is a mistake; the simplest explanation is that they're not true.
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Anonymous2006-01-08 20:29
Adam and Eve were immortals until they ate that fruit. Thus the fruit did kill them, not instantly though.
Yes it is again progress because that progress was all based on a mistake. To fix the mistake we must discard our around physical bodies, but we can't take our own lives... sadistic, no?
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Anonymous2006-01-09 1:36
>>1
You would die in SPIRIT if you eat the forbidden fruit, because of the newfound knowledge. And since they ate the fruit, they were remembered by their future generations, thus making them "immortal".
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Anonymous2006-01-09 3:34
you should learn other religion.
in usual day,if you have some problems, Doesn't it get much wey?
same way.
I think there is not "TRUTH FOR EVERY PEOPLE"
Every people has his own position.
These make zero sense. Why was eaten the fruit a mistake when in the bible it appears that God didn't impression upon the severity of the fruit. It was more like: "Oh and don't eat this."
Regardless, in the bible, God didn't tell them that they'd die only in spirit. He said: They would die, period. And they didn't.
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Anonymous2006-01-09 10:11
when He was laying down the law of the land, He didn't go oh by the way. It was more like you eat this and you die. sounds severe to me, although this is hindsight. did adam and eve even understand what death was? and anyway so it was a mistake cuz He said no, and they still did it. You can at least understand that right?
they did die. if they hadn't eaten they would still be alive in paradise.
How casual. But yeah, that's the thing, how could Adam and Eve know the severity of death? Frankly, I think it's God's greatest mindfuck in that it was a "mistake" that had to be made in order for us to be "human" I.E true beings created in his image. It's the freedom to choose that makes us in his image. Remember: Angels don't get a choice.
Even funnier is that we are supposed to percieve everything God says as "right" and everything the snake said as "Wrong"
Why? Other than taking our life and our destiny into our own hands what exactly was the ethical and moral dilemma in eating the fruit?
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Anonymous2006-01-09 16:13
>>13: Other than taking our life and our destiny into our own hands what exactly was the ethical and moral dilemma in eating the fruit?
I once saw something written that seems to fit here (it wasn't in this context, but in a relatively even-headed-sounding explanation I'd heard about an anti-Harry Potter stance) -- that taking your life and/or destiny into your own hands and away from God's -is- the moral wrong.
Or maybe it's not exactly taking it away from him (i.e. destiny is still controlled by God), but simply /thinking/ that it's now in your hands?
In the original context, the writer was talking about how it was not good for children to believe in 'magic' that comes from inside them and is at their beck and call, instead of 'God's power'. (The seeming assumption that the two beliefs are mutually exclusive is noteworthy, IMO.)
I'm not Christian, though.
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Anonymous2006-01-09 21:52
>Remember: Angels don't get a choice.
Where did you get that? If angels don't get choice then God must have directed Lucifer to rebel against him... that would be pretty twisted.
If you assume God exists then what God says is "right" because He says it. He's the rule. If he said no gravity, well... that's just the way it's going to be. There's no use questioning it.
Lucifer's rebellion came about from pride of being the best angel. The best among his current creations. And how do you know God didn't write Lucifer's rebellion into the script, so to speak? Didn't the bible note something along the lines of God *knowing* that Lucifer would do this? He never had a choice.
God is no human, as most people who love to talk out of their ass tend to forget.
um, and lol @ such a funny discussion on a forum for cartoon porn :)
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Anonymous2006-01-11 10:52
>>17
Yeah, God doesn't have selective memory, people. It come to a shock to him that Lucifer, Adam and Eve did the things they did. I can only deduce that he wrote the entire thing into the script, but hinged it on Adam and Eve's choice. If they didn't choose they apple- that would've been a failure.