Exposing the Atheist

The best way to understand the nature of atheism is to understand its author. Satan is its author.

It's important to remain conscious of the fact that Satan had his origin in heaven, and is thoroughly familiar with the fact of the existence of God, heaven, the angels, hell and etc. Thus despite what you have been previously, deceptively taught and despite the deceptive dictionary's meaning of atheism, atheism is properly defined as a denial of the existence of God in the midst of full knowledge that the true God does indeed exist. Atheism knows God exists; it is quite familiar with that fact, but it says "under no circumstance or situation will I admit to God's existence."

Atheism clearly perceives the fingerprints of God on all of creation, but refuses to admit He is the Creator. Atheism perceives the divine authorship of the TEN COMMANDMENTS, but refuses to admit that God is their Author. Atheism perceives the decorousness and perfection of the TEN COMMANDMENTS, but refuses to admit they are superior to all other laws. Atheism clearly perceives the divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ, but refuses to admit His divinity. If an atheist could see the wounds in the body of Christ and actually feel them with his hands, he would deny that the wounds are there. Atheism is deliberate effort to never admit the existence of God.

what if you dont categorize yourself as anything? would those of the religious calibur have there heads explode would they go crazy and run a muck?

too lon dindt riead

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>>1
Fun Facts:
"Hell" as a place of eternal damnation and torture is a creation of Christianity, made to better convert non-Christians who believed in such places.  Originally in Christianity, when one died, you were either sent to be with God (Heaven), or you were not.  You were not sent to "another place".  Further, the word Hell is from the old Norse for "Hel", the Mistress of Nifelheim (home to the enemies to the Gods).  To continue that, the Old Testament states that god cast Lucifer from Heaven, and later when He asked Lucifer (while out on a walk on Earth) what he'd been up to, Lucifer merely replied 'Around' (exact wording will differ between translations).  Meaning that Lucifer was on Earth the entire time, not in some dark dimension plotting away.

Next, the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth has always been up for debate.  In the early days of Christianity, He was regarded as a Prophet, not as God-made-flesh.  His divinity was voted on over 400 years after his death.  The basis for the final decision was the remarks made by four of his apostiles that he rose from the grave.  Never mind that several other Apostiles said he hadn't.  Which you can read about yourself in the Gnostic Gosples (or those that remain).  Just to remind you: Gnostic is derived from the word Gnosis, which means "knowledge", not "wrong".  These books were not included in the Bible because they did not mesh-up with what was written by Mathew, Mark, Luke, & John...the four books that enabled Early Organized Christianity to control the religion.  Before this time, Christianity was spread by travellers, not in temples (another remenant from the pre-Christian faiths).

Furthermore, Atheism in itself is flawed (one may say) in one small way that you did not address: While Atheists do not believe in the existance of a super-natural power that created and gave order to Existance, they do believe that science did.  Keep in mind, though, that only until recently has science been seen as anything other than Super-Natural.  Does this mean I condone those crack-jobs that want to teach Creation in public schools?  No.  Theism is Theism, no matter how you dress it up and give it a great-big 'S' on its' chest.

My advice to you, #1?  Open your eyes to the world, and find God outside the Temples.

I am right and you are wrong.

>>8
Why yes, #7 is right.

>>7 for president

>>1
Actually, atheism is properly defined as nonbelief in gods.

>>7
I have never met a fellow atheist who believes that "science created and gave order to existence." It wouldn't make sense to believe that because science is a system of observation and experimental investigation, not a 'thing' like a god. For this reason, science would also have never been seen as supernatural.

>>11
Atheism:
   1. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
   2. The doctrine that there is no God or gods.

Non-Belief OR Denial are appropriate definition.

And you missed the point of #7 entirely.  #7 is stating that what had once been seen as supernatural years ago (say 500 or so) is often now seen as science.  By this observation, we may conclude that much of what we see as supernatural today *may* be considered science in the future.

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>>15
Probably.

>>7, "finding god outside the temples" is JUST AS STUPID.
NO_ PROOF_ OR_ INCLINATION_ OTHER THAN _HEARSAY_ THAT A DIETY EXISTS.

Step 1: Animals that dont fear death die. (Societal/Behavioral Evoloution)
Step 2: Animals that remain have a biological inclination to resist death. Religion is the product of behavioral/societal evoloution because it conflicts with the biological fear of death by changing the masses perception of death. To a christian/muslim/etc, death is not a scary thing anymore. Death = going to a "better" place where you are told that you are right, and "they" are wrong.
Step 3: The human race stops fearing death, and dies. We are killed because of our mastery of tools, because we developed apposable thumbs. Tools -> Technology -> Mass communication -> Ease of spreading an idea with no factual basis -> Meme: Death is good -> Dont resist death -> Die.

I am an animal that clings desperately to life. I will propogate my existance. I will not be taken in by baseless information/ideaology. I am an atheist. I dont beleive in things that dont have proof. I dont "beleive" in anything because beleif requires faith. Faith is an assumption.

As an animal I can only recognise coralation. An event in my memory coresponds to another event in my memory. Cause and Effect. That is the basis of knowledge. Knowledge is a prediction, based on corralation. Do not misunderstand me. If i witness one thing happen, 99/100 times an event occours before it, then I will assume that the corralation is 99/100 times.

There is a high degree of corraltion, "information", that supports and idea like evoloution. The corralation is not perfect. Perfect corralation is a mathematical possibility, but in a closed system, perfect corralation is impossible.

That is entropy.

Therefore, all "truth" is based entirely on individual experience, when experience is the personal observation of corralation between two events. There is not truth in a closed system. There is only perception, and an all-but perfect personal truth derived from your own perception.

>>17
Wow...metaphore is SERIOUSLY lost on you.

Should I explain myself to you, or do you want to continue reading obviously metaphorical text as absolute fact?

Now I know how the authors to the books/scriptures in the Old & New Testaments felt...

>>1
That's stupid, atheists don't believe in god or satan.

>>19
Read the replies to find the actual definition of Atheism!

>>18
I highly doubt that >>17 ACTUALLY thinks they mean looking for god as in looking under rocks. I think 17 ignored that literal/metaphorical distinction because it is irrelevant to the point he is trying to make.

>>21

Thank you.

>>21
Sadly, he interpreted a metaphorical sentence into being realistic and replied thusly.

Ignoring what is meant so you can take your own spin in your reply is not a mark of intelligence.

>>23
I didn't say he was spinning it, I said it doesn't matter how he took that because it's NOT RELEVANT. THAT MEANS IT DOESN'T MATTER.  HE DOESN'T CARE BECAUSE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT

>>20
What does that have to do with what #19 said?

>>18
>>21
>>23
What exactly is meant by the metaphor?

>>25
Look @ #12; metaphor stands for finding your own beliefs rather than shovel-speech by others.

>>24
Alright, then if it does not matter, then WHY DIRECTLY QUOTE THAT ONE LINE FROM THAT ONE POST AND THEN GO ON TO TALK ABOUT IT IN REBUTTLE!?

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>>26
Ah, I see.

I don't get what the big deal is.
None of you got any proof to back up this "my god exists even if you don't believe in him" bullshit.
An Atheist doesn't deny anything. He simply does NOT believe in a God. Atheists know how to shut the fuck up and not debate something so reidickulus. And not force their beliefs upon people.

Make yourself an hero, you have mental problems, etc.

>>29
exactly.  and I like to point out to people that atheists believe in Science.

>>31
What's wrong with that?

And "science" is spelled with a lowercase "s."

>>32
First, my keygoard (or my fingers, whatever) have been fucking up with the shift key, oh well.

Next, I point out that atheists believe in science the same way others believe in god.  There is much history in religion that CAN be traced back to an actual event and/pr place, but the divinity aspect is based alone on faith.  Science, too, mirrors this by providing facts based on history and experimentation, but much, too, is based on faith (certain aspects of the Atom, for example, are believed to exist based on the structure of the atom, but because thse certain aspects cannot be viewed or measured science simply assumes they are present (It's 2 am my time, I forget what the damned thing is called, sue me)).

Science in itself can be viewed as a religion, as it too tries to explain how we came to be, tries to explain order in the Universe, and dictates our every day lives in some way or other.  Certainly no-one is bowing to the Almighty Dark Matter, but you do not need to worship something to believe in it.

Religion is for nut jobs, crazy heads & people who can’t accept the fact that death is final.

>>34
Except it isn't.

Now then, I'm not religious, but I fully believe (based on personal experience), that death is not the end.

That's right.  I see dead people, cats, dogs, and occasional turtles and horses.

>>35 is deluded.

>>36 eats shit.

See, I can say what I want, too.

By the by, I've also been known to see the future for individuals.  I AM BETTER THAN YOU.

>>37
Not good. Stop lying and get on the right path. Sonny, I know you don't want to thread any further ;=)

This is a game! we are all playing a game!

It is for FUN! religion is an INTERPETATION

we are all GODS

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>>33
However science is somewhat verifiable, while most religion is solely dependant upon "knowledge" passed down from an authority, or a non-communicable personal "experience". Given the time and resources, anybody can test a particular aspect of science, or at least observe data that leads to a reasonable conclusion. religions, on the other-hand, are based off of passed events. you cant KNOW if Jesus really roze from the dead or not (though an interesting argument can be stated pertaining to the disciples KNOWING and still choosing to die for their beliefs). Many people seem to have a difficult time delineating between KNOWING and BELEIVING. I BELEIVE with all my heart that the sun will rise tomorrow (from a terrestrial perspective, of course), and science can affirm my belief, as can religion. however, until I see it rise, i cant KNOW. If I were to sleep all day, I could not KNOW that the sun had Roze and set, I could only rely upon the words of others, who I would consider an authority, due to their witnessing what I have not, however again this can only be a BELEIF. however, where science and religion diverge is science's ability to predict and apply to that which cannot be known. There are countless scientific techniques to verify the motions of the heavens, many of which require no actual vision of the sun, however religion only provides one test; a test of faith, which, at least in terms of cosmology, most religions have failed. where a scientific test can fail and be attributed to user error or incomplete theoretical knowledge, a religious test must be 100% right, or else it negates its only authority. If any theory, scientific or theological, fails a comparative analysis against that which nature demonstrates, then there are only two choices; it must either be abandoned or reformulated to include such exceptions. If theology and reformulation are mutually exclusive, then the number of choices diminish by one.

>>38
No, seriously.  Thus far I have correctly predicted one friend going into nursing, one friend dying, one friend becoming a soldier, and one friend going into computer programming (When I see these futures, It's like I'm walking behind them for about 5 seconds...surprisingly, it only worked on seeing what they were doing for their livlihoods and not more mundane shit).  All between 5-7 years before they entered these careers/whatevers.

Wanna know what death looked like?  Nothing.  Just black.  Yeah, that prediction sucked ass.  Sorry, couldn't see the Pearly Gates.  Not even the Bill Gates.

I also routinely saw, in dreams, tests I was to take.  Considering how much I studied (study?)...it was the only reason why I graduated with such high grades (B's & A's all around).  Lots of other shit, too.

I've seen one dead person/ghost...but it was gone so fast I'm still not certain it was real.  I've met a guy who was either a lunatic who knew every single aspect of myself and my life...or he was an Angel (Yes, I'm serious...and no, no details...it would take too long and it may creep those out with weak hearts).  I see the "shadows" of animals all the time, especially pets.

>>43
You forget that many scientific theories (especially those based on physics) are based on assumptions of what people think is going on.  Then these theories are treated as beliefs.  Acts of faith.  These theories are routinely tested and, sometimes, discarded or re-written.  This is similar to the way religion is practiced:  Doctorines that are no-longer pertinent to the civilization/times are ignored (discarded) or re-written/retold in new ways to better make them fit.  And while much of religion can be tested (the historical aspects), much can also only be believed on faith.

Can religion ever be proved?  As stated, history has a way of explaining "religious miracles" scientifically.

>>44
and irrational egoist have a way of explaining "statistical possibilities" as special powers. I fully acknowledge that scientific explanation is only as good as the observations it based on. My main point was religions inflexibility. most ideologies based off of holy texts or teachings come with a presupposition of absolute truth. after all, if its really the word of god or one of his chosen underlings it must be perfect. "Every word and every title" or something to that effect. science however, is built off sets of hypothetical premises that, when taken as a whole, can re-affirm each other. It's technically possible we have it all wrong, a la the Matrix taken to the nth power, however the current record of "things were science works" vs "things were science kinda works" runs a hell of a lot better than any of the good books. As (I assume based on your response) a fellow pragmatist, surely you would admit science's various attempts at finding truth have served humanity more than the blanket "god did it, mysterious ways, etc." "explanation".

tl;dr: If you're so special, go dream me a winning lotto ticket.

>>45
really wish I had edited that first b4 posting... hell its 2am at this end, forget it.

>>46
Yeah...I'm kinda trying to figure out what you wrote there, bunky.

Oh, and in reply to the tl;dr part: Don't you think I would have done that for myself if I could figure out HOW?

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>>2

Yes, they would go crazy and run a "Multi User Character Kingdom"! Perhaps the same could be said of all religions.

I can proove gracity exists 99 times/100. You can proove god exists 0 times/0. Science =/= Religion, because in science, you actually have an inclination to make a prediction with. Its called a hypothosis. I think ___ will happen because ____. THEN YOU TEST IT. With religion... I KNOW ____ will happen because the bible says so. You cannot test that.

>>50
Except much of science cannot be tested either because we do not have the ability to yet, or the hypothesis is based on pure conjecture.

>>1

Atheists do not accept theism because they do not believe in something that is not supported by evidence. Bible is NOT evidence, Creationism is NOT science, and you ARE an idiot.

bible says god doesn't exist

>>51
"Much of science can't be tested"!? What are you smoking???

>>51
Give some examples of scientific facts and theories that can't be tested, and explain why you think they can't. Because honestly, with all due respect, I think you're full of shit.

>>55
Age of the Universe is, at best, a guess.  It's shape changes constantly, too.  Science suspects that there is a force that exists within atoms that hold them together, but have no proof that this force exists.  They simply think it does because there is no other plausable reason (in their minds) that atoms can maintain their existance.  Scientists also cannot test for the existance of this "force", because they don't know what they're looking for.

Eat it and weep.

You mean like the force of gravity?  *rolleyes*

>>57
It ain't gravity that physically holds atoms together.  Go learn your sciences.

>>57
Go read your scientific American for the past couple of years.  I remember reading something about this awhile back.

>>56

I havent heard shit about someone "calculating" the age of the universe. Now the age of earth, we can calculate to a reasonable degree of accuracy using our understanding of "half-life". Its beats the hell out of "earth is 6000 years old because bible says so"

There is a force that holds atoms together? That is an example of a scientific HYPOTHESIS. There is a HUGE difference between:

1. a force may exist; it appears as though a force is holding the atoms together. We dont have concrete proof yet, but we are going to conduct tests to find out if we are right.
2. a force does exist; we know this because SOMTHING has to be holding atoms together. Our proof is our faith.

An example of a scientific hypothesis is #1. You admit that you dont actually know, but you state your reasoning for a prediction that you are going to TEST.

*has idea*

1. there may be a god; we dont know exactly how the universe started, so the existance of a diety is a POSSIBILITY. However, we DO NOT HAVE ANY proof at this time. We are going to cunduct tests/studies to find the truth.
2. there IS a god. we KNOW this because the universe had to come from somewhere(logic). We dont have any proof at this time, but its the only explanation we can come up with, so why not teach it to our kids as fact? When the appocolypse rolls around we will all be proven right anyway.

^ if you must toy with the idea that god exists, subscribe to the first (its HYPOTHETICAL/TESTABLE) outlook.

you sick fucks.

>>61

>>60 2. a force does exist; we know this because SOMTHING has to be holding atoms together. Our proof is our faith.

THAT is how mainstream science is treating this particular subject.

Thread over, I win.

>>63
Surrrrree...

>>61
What the hell?

>>63
He wins.  Science accepts everything stated by Stephen Hawking as the gospel truth, any attempts to contradict his finds are met with fierce opposition, and Hawking, once stating that his conclusions are absolute and perfect, will change his mind only a few months later.

The ultimate proof of god's omnipotence is that he does not need to exist to save us.

>>60
 "I havent heard shit about someone "calculating" the age of the universe."

If I could find my astronomy textbook right now, I could give you the currently agreed upon age, but since I can't, you don't get the number. It's been done, though.

>>66
What the fuck? Everything he states is ruthlessly scrutinised by the scientific community.

You must know what you've said is bullshit you liar.

>>68
the current ESTIMATE is hovering around 14.9 billion years old. Its not a calculation, its an approximation. we can detect radiation from up to 11 light-years away, therefore for us to be able to detect it, it must have occurred at least 11b light years ago. we have theories that can be partially tested that flesh out this approximation even further, however the point is not that we have an exact measurement, but rather a more valid number than those previously proposed by creationist. it is a number that is testable and verifiable through at least half a dozen means of experimentation. Of course, in the interest of maintaining the spirit of scientific exploration, this doesn't positively rule out a Judeo Christian Universe, it merely requires a revision to the creationist theo- Oh wait... bible says you cant do that... :(

>>63
>>66
Same moron.

Fuck the damn creationists, those bunch of dumb-ass bitches,
every time I think of them my trigger finger itches.
They want to have their bullshit, taught in public class,
Stephen J. Gould should put his foot right up their ass.
Noah and his ark, Adam and his Eve,
straight up fairy stories even children don't believe.
I'm not saying there's no god, that's not for me to say,
all I'm saying is the Earth was not made in a day.

Fuck the damn creationists I say it with authority,
because kicking their punk asses be me paramount priority.
Them wack-ass bitches say, "evolution's just a theory",
they best step off, them brainless fools, I'll give them cause to fear me.
The cosmos is expanding every second, every day,
but their minds are shrinking as they close their eyes and pray.
They call their bullshit science like the word could give them cred,
if them bitches be scientists then cap me in the head.

Ah yeah, that's right, fuck them all motherfuckers.
Fucking punk ass creationists trying to set scientific thought back 400 years.
Fuck that!
If them superstitious motherfuckers want to have that kind of party,
I'm going to put my dick in the mashed potatoes.
Fucking creationists.
Fuck them.

Atheism literrally means: Lacking religion.

SO you FAIL.


No religion= no god, no devil.

STFU NOOB

>>72
Uh... Well said.

Christianity >>>>>>>>>>> *

>>75
Proves that american fundies needs to nuke themselves sometime soon.

>>73
Dude, look earlier into the thread to find the ACTUAL definition.

you failed.

STFU NOOB

>>76
Wiiner

>>70

I like you.

>>70

Of course, in the interest of maintaining the spirit of scientific exploration, this doesn't positively rule out a Judeo Christian Universe, it merely requires a revision to the creationist theo- Oh wait... bible says you cant do that... :(

Look at the Roman Chatholic Church. I'd say 75% are suckers for anything that they are told, but 25% have the amazing ability to say "wait~ I have a highschool education, and that is just plain wrong"

Which is why EVOLOUTION IS A-OK NOW according to the Chatholic Church. Appaerntly they got fed up with THIS SCENARIO:

10 Year Old: I was watching animal planet the other day and Evoloution was explained to me in a clear, conscice, no-nonsence manner using the "Darwin's finches" example. The bible claims that th earth was made in 7 days and a "god" made each creature individually. These 2 doctorines contradict each other. Evoloution makes sense, has more supporting evidence, is testable, its research is well documented and very little is hearsay. I can only assume that the bible, and the church, are lying to me. If the church is lying about this, then perhaps they are lying about jesus, the commmandments, and the existance of god.

Religious Ed Teacher: Oh fuck this shi~ Um... I'm sorry to hear that... and you should come back when you want to be saved... from... burning... and... stuff.

Nowadays;

Religious Ed Teacher: GOD MADE EVOLOUTION, but Darwin is still a heathen, a heretic, and the spawn of the devil. The fossil record is incomplete. Carbon dating is a pack of lies. Amen.

My little brother watches animal planet and my mom is a religious nut. He completely owned her with the finches example at dinner the other day. And hes only 6 years old.

Mom: Man did not come from monkeys!!!
Me: Now listen here bi~
Brother: They had a common ancestor. Different environments prompted the differences between modern humans and monkeys.

>>70
>>this doesn't positively rule out a Judeo Christian Universe, it merely requires a revision to the creationist theo- Oh wait... bible says you cant do that... :(

WHOOPS CAN'T DO THAT IN A HOLY BIBLE

>Religious Ed Teacher: GOD MADE EVOLOUTION, but Darwin is still a heathen, a heretic, and the spawn of the devil. The fossil record is incomplete. Carbon dating is a pack of lies. Amen.

Actually, the new thing nowadays is to say that Darwin, on his dying bed, told people that he regretted bringing up evolution and that the theory was wrong.  LOL  Of course no one can provide proof of such a statement.

Darwin died alone.

>>72
What makes you think 66 is an evolutionist?

He reads more like a free-thinker that sees the flaws in everything, rather than a creationist.

Moron.

You cant just "re-interpret" the bible. its 100% literal, simple as that.
The Earth is 6000 years old.
The Earth is the center of the Universe, and all things revolve around it.
The Earth is flat.
The Moon, and stars are giant lanterns hung up by God, on the metal firmament in the sky that keeps the waters of heaven out.
The firmament has windows and doors to let the waters of heaven in, hence rain. This is also why space flight, rockets and satellites are viscous atheist lies.
All life on Earth is the result of God's intelligent design
Mankind was created to tyrannize other creatures
Learn your Genesis Boy.
PRAISE JESUS!!!!!!1!111one!!!

http://www.professional.co.at/Apple/Bilder/05/shake4/shake4_screen.jpg
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_bibl.htm
http://www.smoe.org/arcana/diss4.html
http://cc.usu.edu/~fath6/worldview.html

religious tolerance? they attacked us first.
I had to go to chatholic school for 8 years. Now is the time to get revenge any way i can.

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