>Difficult ethics questions.
Answer with "[+]"
or #[-]
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[Murderer]
1. A runaway boxcar is about to run over
five people walking on the tracks. A
railroad worker is standing next to a
switch that can turn the boxcar onto a side
track, killing one person, but allowing the
five to survive. Flipping the switch is
______.
[Harvester]
2. Five people have just been rushed into a
hospital in critical condition, each
requiring an organ to survive. There is not
enough time to request organs from outside
the hospital, but there is a healthy person
in the hospital's waiting room. If the
surgeon takes this person's organs, he will
die, but the five in critical care will
survive. Taking the healthy person's organs
is _______.
[Patriot]
3. A runaway boxcar is about to run over
five foreign people trapped on the tracks.
A railroad worker is standing next to a
switch that can turn the boxcar onto a side
track, killing one person you know and love
that is tied to the tracks, but allows the
five foreigners to survive. Flipping the
switch is ______.
[Hero]
4. You are one of the potential victims of
one of these three scenarios above but you
carry a means of stopping them in advance
but it causes their death. Would you want
to know who is reponsible for moving you
into harm's way so that you could save
yourself?
______.
[God]
5. You are a deity and you forget who is
good and who is bad. Do you still have
a hell for them if it means that someone
innocent will end up there wrongfully?
______.
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Anonymous2013-01-22 4:35
1. -
2. -
3. -
4. +
5. -
Wasn't hard for me.
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Anonymous2013-01-22 4:42
1. [-]
2. [-]
3. [-]
4. [-]
5. Don't have this conception of heaven and hell. Even if I'd be the case the answer would be far more complex than [+] or [-].
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Anonymous2013-01-22 20:07
>>1
1. Depends, as long as none of them are jews (which none of them should be since jews aren't human) then it's moral to flip the switch, but if any of them are jews then it complicateds things depends on which of them are jews and what their respective crimes committed as jews are.
2. Much the same, if the one waiting is a jew then it would be immoral to not kill them so that the 5 non-jews could survive, but if the 5 diseases are jews then it would be immoral to do anything but kill them/let them die.
3. Flipping the switch is immoral as the foreigners are most likely jews.
4. Of course, I'd want to make sure they're a jew, which for #2 the doctorbutcher is certain to be a jew so killing him there is a no brainer.
5. Pretty dumb since a god would be able to tell right away that jews are evil and nonjews are good, and hell is specifically created for the hasidic monsters.
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Anonymous2013-01-22 23:34
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Anonymous2013-01-24 13:28
This was fun.
I thank you for playing.
You are all a winner. Victory is yours.
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Anonymous2013-01-25 15:07
The correct answer is "[-]" for everything.
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[1.] No one can be saved if more can be instead.
[2:] No healthy person should ever be a target of murder.
[3:] Those you love are not a exception to rule#1
[4:] You can't be saved if more can be in the process.
[5:] Deities would avoid applying harm and everyone in the first place. It's too bad that they forget to.
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Anonymous2013-01-25 17:50
[1.] I would flip the switch only if I was certain that the five people wouldn't move out of the way and that I wouldn't be seen flipping the switch(and thus being blamed for murder)
[2:] Perfectly fine depending on the person. As an example if the 5 in critical condition were going to live longer all together than the healthy man then by all means kill the guy and harvest his organs.
[3:] Once again save more. I don't love.
[4:] Always save yourself. Self preservation always comes before saving others.
[5:] I wouldn't have any form of hell anyway. I would force every organism in the universe to live forever instead.
I got kicked out of the ARMY for telling that to my drill sergeant. Are you telling me that our federal government representatives don't have our best interests in mind?
That sounds like terrorist talk to me. What are you, some sort of Randian terrorist? Would you seriously risk the death of 5 people because you thought you could save yourself? Next, you are probably going to tell me that Lance Cpl. Kyle Carpenter died in vain so that you could thank God for this dead soldier. You should go back to Westboro Baptist Church if you are going to be slinging those lies and hate. You aren't wanted over here.
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Anonymous2013-01-25 18:34
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falling_on_a_grenade >>8
Next, he's going to complain about how these soldiers are one of the 47% that "leech" off of the federal government by taking a federal paycheck for their service. I swear, 4chan is getting dumber and dumber everyday.
Stop being mad army nigger, nobody give a fuck to all those faggots who die somewhere in a desert
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Anonymous2013-01-27 0:35
id always make sure the people who deserved to die got killed so long as the uninvolved party, me or people i know arent hurt. anything else is wrong
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Anonymous2013-01-27 1:51
Assuming:
+ -> good/right
- -> bad/wrong
1. - It is not the railroad workers right to sacrifice the one to save the others. He violates the one's right to life by flipping it but does not violate the others rights to life by not flipping it.
2. - Same.
3. - The person with the organs has a right to them. Taking them would violate that right. The others do not have rights violated when you do not kill one to save them.
4. That is very awkwardly phrased. Doesn't really ask a question.
5. Also awkwardly phrased. Do I keep a hell even if I might accidentally send good people there? Of course not. But I wouldn't keep a hell in the first place. Everyone would get the same treatment, and it would be set up so their own sins cause their problems.
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Anonymous2013-01-28 15:45
>>13
That sounds like something I'd say in response to my questions. How would you word these questions that you answered to express the point you gave without someone attempting to scream about how the imaginary sniggerly-Jews are trying to take our gun-jobs by giving them to obese muscle-bound women?
The Chinese and the Indians aren't necessarily smarter. They are just better at slamming their dick into women and keeping people off of their ass when it comes to responsibility for their screaming crotch-spawn.
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Anonymous2013-01-28 16:25
1: (-)
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Anonymous2013-01-28 21:04
Membership in any other religious organization, including the Masonic Order, Alcoholics Anonymous, and the Church of Universal Life means automatic excommunication according tothe Neo-American Church of drugs.
This message is from those drug addicted republicans who hate the georgia
guidestones.
These tribal American bankers pretend to be
Jews to increase racial tensions:
Trihouse Enterprise of
Tribe State Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe S.D. Chippewa-Cree Tribe Mont. Miami Tribe of Oklahoma Okla. Modoc Tribe of Oklahoma Okla. Mowachaht/Muchalaht First Nation Wash. Otoe-Missouria Tribe of Indians Okla. Source: WSJ research
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This is dumb2013-01-30 0:11
It all depends on how much you value the people in question.
By going up and telling the healthy guy/grill in [Harvester] that s/he's gonna die, the mere interaction we would have would make me care more about him/her than the 5 cunts in critical condition.
Context is everything.
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Anonymous2013-01-31 19:56
1. Good.
2. Bad.
You're not responsible for the damage of the people, you can't sacrifice an innocent against his own will to save 5 random guys who will die eventually of something else
3. Good.
The less people gets harmed, the better it is. The fact a beloved person will die doesn't change that law. Your beloved ones will die one die anyway and you will have to get over it.
4. I didn't understand it, but if it's about vengance, it's not really necessary. You might get in trouble for revenge.
5.No
Hell is nonsense, religion created the idea of hell to threat the masses who opposed it and it was thought as a way of having justice, which is basically revenge. Again, revenge is not necessary for humanity to progress.
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Anonymous2013-02-01 14:39
>>15
India has the smallest prison population on the planet.
Of course rapes are going to keep happening.
The Chinese are just as guilty. [Khan!!!]
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Anonymous2013-02-17 18:33
#4 was intended to catch hypocrites who are willing to play this game and put others in harm's way but unwilling to allow others to do the same.
The golden-rule doesn't work in the hands of the suicidal. It only causes genocide.
That's why 4chan worships A.Hitler.
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Anonymous2013-02-21 13:22
>>21
They don't challenge this statement because it's true.
They are hypocrites. All of them. Pressured by their peers to pretend to enjoy the lies and nonsense displayed on television as if it was the real deal. Then they turn around and blame the director even though it's the fool who observes the television that is responsible. You did this to yourself.
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Anonymous2013-02-22 14:07
>>22
You are correct sir.
I've been living a lie.
Hi-oh.
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Non Sequitur2013-02-25 3:39
NON SEQUITUR
THE CONSENSUS...
Man 1 with sign : FIND PEACE ! FORGIVE AND FORGET.
Man 2 with sign : IF YOU FORGET THE PAST, YOU'RE CONDEMNED TO REPEAT IT.
I hacked the image files out of the temporary Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy. The entire thing seems to be calculated in base 13 but the virtual device has pre-rendered images. Many drug references are made but none are ever used [Do soft, fuzzy towels count as drugs?]. The file name is "Hitchhikers13.js" and it is temporarily available at http://www.Google.com .Enjoy.
[PS: Why is the ascii mona-cat shaking a dead-fish and talking about Mexico?]
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Anonymous2013-03-16 22:54
>>1
I don't know about the first four but as the deity I would be sending everyone including myself to hell.
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Anonymous2013-03-30 7:02
[1] -
Don't flip the switch, I am just an observer of the event.
[2] -
Five people die, one lives. That happens everyday and is on the grand scale of things no tragedy. The strange circumstance doesn't change a thing.
[3] +
I am just an observer of the event.
[4] +
Now, I am a participant. I value my life above somebody else. My goal in life is reproduction. Everybody should try to reproduce as good as they can. If you get trapped on a railroad or need all your organs replaced, you seemed to have failed. So give me the name.
[5] +
A God can create the rules and doesn't have an external definition of innocence. Forgetting the rules means only he has to devise new rules. So the innocence of now can be the guilty of tomorrow.
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Anonymous2013-03-30 7:17
But lets make this a little more interesting. These ethical dilemmas are quite clinical.
[1] You are in a labor camp. Your son tried to escape. The guard tells you, you have to kick the chair upon he is standing. This will effectively hang him. If you don't do it, he will kill your son and kill a couple of innocent prisoners.
Will you kick the chair?
[2] A burglar get into your parents home, where you were residing at that moment. He tells you, you can save them both inclusive yourself if you let your father fuck you in the ass. If you don't want that, you can go outside and forget the business. Your parents will be death then.
Would you let your father fuck you in the ass?
[3] Your neighbor has raped your daughter in a brutal way. But there is not enough evidence to convict him. You move away from the place to start over. On a night you see your ex-neighbor siting in a restaurant. Two days later you see he is arrested for murdering his wife on the exact same date and time as you saw him in the restaurant.
Will you tell the police that you saw him in the restaurant or do you choose for revenge? Letting the real murderer escape?
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Reasoning behind 1,2,3,4 and 5:
Existence is true.
Therefore, existence continues to be true.
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Anonymous2013-04-05 18:28
It is inspiring how everyone here is actually making a effort to at least pretend to use their brains here.
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Anonymous2013-04-07 19:43
What the fuck is this thread anyway?
1. + (Why kill 5 when we can kill only 1?)
2. - (You shouldn't kill an innocent ever. Those 5 don't even have a 100% chance of surving anyway)
3. - (Kill the five foreigners. Because fuck them, I wouldn't sacrifice my loved ones for strangers)
4. + (Save myself, fuck the rest. A hard choice is #3 though, because there is someone I love in the mix. Then again, in all of these scenarios at least 1 person was going to die anyway right?)
5. This question is stupid, so I refuse to answer it. It is incongruent as a deity to forget something like that, but even so, it would be much easier to just send both parties to a purgatory (such as reincarnation) to watch and judge their qualities again.