no it really was a lot better before. Before red cream, before chris fucking hansen, and before veigrn. There were interesting questions, and a lot of intelligent people. Every math/science question, no matter how hard, had a correct answer.
Was there ever a time before RedCream? My theory is that there was NOT.
In fact, my Gilgamesh series of arguments -- where I decimated all the religifags by proving their gods don't exist -- was a classic moment in 4channery.
I suspect that a lot of /sci/ regulars were so offended at being shown their gods don't exist, that they took off for friendlier climes for their religitardery. No loss to /sci/, for sure.
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Anonymous2008-03-01 16:24
>>5
agree i love original redcream agains chriss fags
i hope original redcream comes back
also gilgamesh and michio kaku
Aha ! Another one of them, dare you deny it, cretin?
Indeed, a conjecture only; The truth appears to be not very
differend. You might want to elaborate on the matter, or at
least satisfy this gluttonous hole devouring my heart;
Achieve that by answering why your posts are so bletcherous
but please; for the sake of our friendship, do not babble much;
I wish not to be more perplexed than I currently am.
I stand in awe and await for your response.
--
``Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can; wisdom to know the difference.''
>>11
The Gilgamesh arguments are reliant entirely on a provable truth, that being:
If your deity really existed, we'd not only have evidence for it, but we'd be SWIMMING IN IT.
The religitards are the ones who have continued to make claims that REQUIRE proof, yet they haven't submitted ANY proof, and they've failed to submit any proof for THOUSANDS OF YEARS. Time to call BULLSHIT on what they're doing. Humanity has to move beyond all that religistupidity.
So: Science works. Religion fails. THAT'S THE BASE TRUTH HERE.
>>16
Oh, yes. We're going to have religion threads until the LAST religtard finally goes BAAAAAAWWWWW and gives up his fucking stupid retard dipshit beliefs.
>>15
It's readily apparent, hence merely by stating a deity exists, mountains of proof can ONLY follow. In fact, all these definitions of a deity boil down to one thing: A thing of great power that gives a lot of indications. Indications are evidence, as in repeatable and detectable by many.
YET ... there are no mountains of proof. There's no proof AT ALL, in fact. There's just no evidence, and there should be not only some, but a LOT of it. Therefore, there are no invisible silent weightless dragons tip-toeing through your vegetable garden, since such an absurd thing doesn't exist. The only remaining explanation for something you can't see, can't hear, and otherwise can't detect at all is that IT DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST.
The base point remains: Those who allege a deity exists are contradicting clear physical law. They are making an absurd statement. Such absurdity puts the onus of proof upon THEM ... and they don't have SHIT for proof. So they are wrong. Q.E.D.
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Anonymous2008-03-04 0:14
>>19
Your starting premise that a deity would leave a definite mark is not axiomatic, nor can it be used to prove itself.
However, burden of proof does indeed lie upon religious claimants. Without any evidence of something's existence, it is clear that a.) it has had no effect or b.) we are ignorant of its effect. One can always plead Occam's Razor, citing the tremendous metaphysical baggage that comes along with any deity, but that's not a rigorous method. It's impossible to prove the nonexistence of something powerful enough to direct the entirety of existence at whim, and undetectably so. Yet, even if God came down from the Heavens and spake upon us His Glorious Word, one could still not be sure that there's nothing above him. This is also applicable in that one can't be sure which Invisible Sky Magician is supposedly there.
Counter-evidence just sends ISM-ians off to cook up more excuses. "Oh, ISM enacts the physical laws himself"
Combine this with the very provable contradictions in the Bible, and the actions of any church, and you have yourself reason to disbelieve the whole mess.
/thread
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Anonymous2008-03-04 0:16
>>20
I meant for b.) that we are ignorant [i]of the evidence of the effect[/u].
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Anonymous2008-03-04 0:17
>>21
And there I don't know how I managed to do that, but so be it.
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Anonymous2008-03-04 0:33
Why do people assume the definition of God includes omnipotence and omniscience? He clearly lacks both in the Bible.
>>19
You're a god damn retard.
I'm not religious but I don't deny the existence of god nor accept it, simply because I cannot prove/disprove it.
I do agree with one thing; religious people are god damn retards, but guess what? that applies for most atheists too, (since they deny something they cannot prove), and generally for most people.
Ofcourse, there's thee possibility that you're a troll but.. whatever.
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Anonymous2008-03-04 3:27
420chan.org/chem/
if you want better discussion
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Anonymous2008-03-04 8:28
>>25
If you want an even better discussion don't go to anything with *chan in it.
>>24 I'm not religious but I don't deny the existence of god nor accept it, simply because I cannot prove/disprove it.
You can't prove or disprove anything, fuckface. That doesn't mean it's equally likely God exists as that he doesn't.
Enjoy having backed yourself into a corner of ridiculousness with regards to the existence of fairies and leprechauns, though.
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Anonymous2008-03-04 16:40
>>29 You can't prove or disprove anything, fuckface.
No, you can.
For example, in mathematics something is proven with axioms.
Fairies and leprechauns are not abstract concepts.
They are creatures the man came up with.
God, from the other side, to me is simply someone (or something) that exists outside of our existence and is aware of our existence.
I don't know about you, but I'm not an idiot.
If you're not an idiot then let us stop here, because we both "get it".
If you're an idiot, keep babbling but I won't reply back.
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Anonymous2008-03-04 18:18
God to me is simply someone (or something) that man came up with.
I don't know about you, but I'm not an idiot.
If you're not an idiot then let us stop here, because we both "get it".
If you're an idiot, keep babbling but I won't reply back.
Your own religions assert that your (imaginary) deities are evidence droppers. They make their presence known from all your stupid stories.
But once the cameras and tape recorders arrived, no evidence could be collected.
HENCE, the "provably wrong" part of my assertions. Your "gods" are producers of mountains of evidence. Your own religions take that as a BASE TRUTH. Yet when we make a concerted effort to collect said evidence, it's NOWHERE to be found. The conclusion is irrefutable to the rational person: The religions are wrong.
There's no magic. There are no gods. There is only Physics ... and Physics doesn't give a fucking SHIT if you're happy or sad or if you live or die or if you're a homosexual or if you beat your wife.
If you believe otherwise, then SUBMIT EVIDENCE OF YOUR ASSERTIONS. (Clue: The Bible, Koran, Talmud and Upanishads are NOT EVIDENCE. They are just works of fiction written by extremely deluded fools. So don't offer your stupid racy novels and expect rational men to accept them as evidence. The Bible is EXACTLY as much evidence for a "god" as Stephen King's novel "Pet Sematary" is evidence for reanimation of dead flesh.)
Religious thinking is the very definition of mental retardation. Not only do you believe in something that doesn't exist, but you vigorously defend incorrect thinking to support that conclusion.
>>35
I agree, even if you had your own BBCODE FAILURE.
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Anonymous2008-03-05 8:49
God exists. Prove me wrong.
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God2008-03-05 8:58
Just shut the fuck up already. Even -I- am tired of it.
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Anonymous2008-03-05 16:26
The mindless hordes of zombified posters relentlessly bash their heads against the concrete cinderblock walls of your bombshelter. Driven to near madness by their incessant moans and memes, it is only slight comfort that your shelter still holds strong. The only thing that really keeps you going is the knowledge that you're right, and if the satellite link holds out, you might be able to prove them wrong... on the INTERNET. Just one more post. Just one more post! The chorus of moans outside is punctuated by the occasional crack of skulls and the nearly inaudible sound of empty headed corpses being dragged away from your four walls to be replaced by fresh, yet to be shattered, skulls. The Ramming continues with each keystroke, until a crack appearers at the wall opposite your terminal. Just one more post. Just one more post! Concrete crumbles as a stumbling poster enters through the break in your fortification. you tap madly at the F5 key as its teeth sink into your skull and spread it's contamination. Just one more p-
BAD END
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Anonymous2008-03-15 12:12
It must be all those painkillers in the water supply.
Ooops, wasn't supposed to let that knowledge slip out.
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Anonymous2008-03-15 13:55
>>41
No problem. The PGM is on its way. You have no hope of escaping. Goodbye.