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OS question

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 9:34

Why aren't OSes written in safer languages(e.g. Ada)?

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 9:46

Because the NSA routinely kills people who try doing so.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 10:00

how do you make an OS? really, I have no idea

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 10:39

>>2
NSA
Goygle: Did you mean: Mossad?

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 13:09

>>3
ask tdavis

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 13:52

>>3
Depends on what kinds of OS you want and how much effort you can take.
Your OS has no chance of becoming mainstream or even successful. If you want to waste years of your life in futile effort to catch up to mainstream OSes you're welcome. If not, your toy OS may interest major OS developers who would want to implement some of your features and thats it.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 14:09

>>6
The most realistic OS goal anyone here should start with is a ``hello world'' OS (basically just a bootloader). It's not a fully-fledged OS project, but that's kind of an overly-ambitious project for a single person. If you set your goals too high, you'll be more likely to give up, much like /g/ and their ``secure'' Skype replacement.

Name: MenuetOS 2013-08-28 16:07

>>666
That makes me sad.

7, what about RTOS?

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 16:44

>>6
>>7
That is because you and /g/ are shit programmers and these kind of projects are only doable by bright programmer(s).

A bright programmer could easily program an amazing OS on their own. The issue after that is software and capitalism.

Or make it so good that people will want to and have to start using it. That way you get people to program the software for it or get the military to do it.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 16:48

>>9
Stop shitting on /g/ in order to pretend you are not from there, unoptimized-quotes-san.

Name: ast 2013-08-28 16:51

>>9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9
You have no right to say that. You never programmed an OS by yourself.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 16:52

>>10
I'm shitting on both you noobs and I'll start including your gay anime shit into my posts. hey /g/ just have shit like ``san'' (make sure to use stylized exclamation marks) and ``chan'' and then ``optimize'' your qoutes (>>1 >>2 etc). Also make sure to sage.

They won't be able to figure you out then.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 16:53

>>11
Email dropping Andrew S. Tanenbaum isn't going to gain you cred, kid.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 16:58

>>12
I'll start including your gay anime shit into my posts.
Please don't!

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 16:59

Some of their favourites insults are ``cretin'', ``mental midget'', and ``toilet scrubber''. They obviously aren't clever with an imagination and prefer to use the same memes for years. It isn't hard to disguise yourself as one of them. They just don't realize that we don't want to be like these losers.

They think they are hot shit for programming little unix hacks and programming in lisp.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 17:01

>>14
Also make sure to include ``please'' and ``terrible'' into your posts. The stylized exclamation mark is simply italicization. [i]![i] (obviously you know where to put the / in when you actually post).

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 17:04

Yeah, this board sucks, let's all go back to /g/.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 17:05

As someone who hates e/g/in/g/ros, it would be nice to see /prog/ memes being ruined and popularized into le imagereddits. Mainly because that would mean I invented many imagereddit memes! Just kidding..

Which reminds me, once a thread on /g/ about some ``secure Skype replacement'' was posted here. I went there and realized they stoleculturally enriched themselves with the epic memes of Satori and SICP.

Some of them even know Satori is also a Touhou character, which is amazing enough, given the fact they barely know Flandre and Cirno because of the e/b/in image macros.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 17:11

>>15
Hey, come on, are you really forgetting ``hymie''?

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 17:49

>>19
Well I mean insults used by all the /prog/ regulars and not just nikita/followers

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 18:01

>>20
by your logic, ``mental midget'' is just for kodak-kun followers and not for /anus/ regulars.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 18:03

If Linus knew ANYTHING about computers he would have written his shitty little toy OS in Lisp.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 18:47

kun? more like kunt

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 18:55

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 19:20

Name: Black and White Magician 2013-08-28 19:23

>>25
ぜ~★

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 20:14

>>26
Ze?

Name: Black and White Magician 2013-08-28 20:32

>>27
ぜだぜ。

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 20:39

Here I sit
Waiting for Gentoo boot
Where are my toes?

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 21:17

>>28
fuckin nip

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 21:40

>>29,30
Wow /g/ro, that post was FUCKIN/G/ E/G/IN, /G/RO!!!!!!!!! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

MY FAVORITE MEH MEH IS LE /G/ENTOO FACE TOO!
>IMPLYIN/G/ LE /G/ENTOO IS NOT LE BEST MEHMEH OF LE /G/
FUCKING LEL /G/RO XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD LLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

FUK JAPAN /G/RO XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD YOUR MEME WAS SO E/G/IN, I'LL REPOST IN ON LE REDDIT!!!!!!!!!!!! I MEAN LE RE/G/G/IT XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD YOU WILL /G/ET MANY LE UP/G/OATS, /G/ROSKI XDDDDDDDDDDDD LLLEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLL

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 21:49


31 Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 21:40

    >>29,30
    Wow /g/ro, that post was FUCKIN/G/ E/G/IN, /G/RO!!!!!!!!! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

    MY FAVORITE MEH MEH IS LE /G/ENTOO FACE TOO!
    >IMPLYIN/G/ LE /G/ENTOO IS NOT LE BEST MEHMEH OF LE /G/
    FUCKING LEL /G/RO XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD LLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

    FUK JAPAN /G/RO XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD YOUR MEME WAS SO E/G/IN, I'LL REPOST IN ON LE REDDIT!!!!!!!!!!!! I MEAN LE RE/G/G/IT XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD YOU WILL /G/ET MANY LE UP/G/OATS, /G/ROSKI XDDDDDDDDDDDD LLLEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLL

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 22:06


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    31 Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 21:40

        >>29,30
        Wow /g/ro, that post was FUCKIN/G/ E/G/IN, /G/RO!!!!!!!!! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

        MY FAVORITE MEH MEH IS LE /G/ENTOO FACE TOO!
        >IMPLYIN/G/ LE /G/ENTOO IS NOT LE BEST MEHMEH OF LE /G/
        FUCKING LEL /G/RO XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD LLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

        FUK JAPAN /G/RO XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD YOUR MEME WAS SO E/G/IN, I'LL REPOST IN ON LE REDDIT!!!!!!!!!!!! I MEAN LE RE/G/G/IT XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD YOU WILL /G/ET MANY LE UP/G/OATS, /G/ROSKI XDDDDDDDDDDDD LLLEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLL

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 22:14


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        31 Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 21:40

            >>29,30
            Wow /g/ro, that post was FUCKIN/G/ E/G/IN, /G/RO!!!!!!!!! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

            MY FAVORITE MEH MEH IS LE /G/ENTOO FACE TOO!
            >IMPLYIN/G/ LE /G/ENTOO IS NOT LE BEST MEHMEH OF LE /G/
            FUCKING LEL /G/RO XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD LLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

            FUK JAPAN /G/RO XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD YOUR MEME WAS SO E/G/IN, I'LL REPOST IN ON LE REDDIT!!!!!!!!!!!! I MEAN LE RE/G/G/IT XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD YOU WILL /G/ET MANY LE UP/G/OATS, /G/ROSKI XDDDDDDDDDDDD LLLEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLL

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 22:25

I'll tell you a secret why your AutismOS is unlikely to succeed,
Its because your OS is built to be incompatible with mainstream drivers,standards,apps and games.
If your OS could natively(or almost natively) run windows drivers,games,apps and use all features of windows/max/lunix(i.e. being useful from the start) it will be a success.
But no. AutismOS will only support your own drivers, apps have to be ported and games are for "faggots" who can't appreciate the terminal and VGA pallete.
Just to provide perspective, Early windows was built to be compatible with all aspects of DOS.
Early Lunix was (somewhat)compatible with Minix and supported POSIX/Unix userland,
Only Macs had the luxury of "NIH autism" working since Apple controlled the hardware at the time and even then they were expensive shit for niche audience(hipsters and idiots with cash to spare, as always).

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 22:41

>>35
autism
apps
lunix
What's your problem, kike?

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 22:42

>>36
Being from /g/.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 22:53


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        31 Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 21:40

            >>29,30
            Wow /g/ro, that post was FUCKIN/G/ E/G/IN, /G/RO!!!!!!!!! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

            MY FAVORITE MEH MEH IS LE /G/ENTOO FACE TOO!
            >IMPLYIN/G/ LE /G/ENTOO IS NOT LE BEST MEHMEH OF LE /G/
            FUCKING LEL /G/RO XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD LLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

            FUK JAPAN /G/RO XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD YOUR MEME WAS SO E/G/IN, I'LL REPOST IN ON LE REDDIT!!!!!!!!!!!! I MEAN LE RE/G/G/IT XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD YOU WILL /G/ET MANY LE UP/G/OATS, /G/ROSKI XDDDDDDDDDDDD LLLEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLL

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 23:45

I'm too busy installing gentoo to answer your question OP

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 23:56

>>36
My problem is that unlike autists who design OSes, i know what makes OSes usable.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-28 23:59

>>40
So by your own admission you cannot design an OS?

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 0:00

>>40
This thread isn't about what makes an OS usable or not.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 0:00

>>41
Yes, and i have no desire to learn it.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 0:02

>>42
So writing an unusable OS is your goal?

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 0:03

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 0:08

>>43
Well, that's ok I guess. But you should learn it. Because it would be cool if you could help improve our current bundle of crap. Or at least get paid to make the bundle of crap bigger.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 0:18

>>44
First of all, we aren't writing an operating system. Second of all, an operating system is first designed to work as it should. It then becomes ``usable'' when there are enough drivers and user level code to make computer running the operating system provide for the wants and needs of the user. This concept of usability does not intersect with the stability, or any other aspect of the operating system's design. This issue is more or less solved with a compatibility layer for user level code and drivers. Then you can leverage past work while providing something new under the hood.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 0:32

>>35
If you don't understand how OS kernels actually work you shouldn't make comments like this.  All that you need to make yourself compatible with other drivers is to comply with basic and well documented API standards.  The only similarity you need with other OSes to be compatible is interface compatibility, the guts can be completely different if you so desire so long as the end result is the same.  But OS kernels are far from broken so why on earth would anybody waste time to fix them?

As for the OP, Ada is a high level language with a runtime.  Runtimes get in the way of some of the low level functionality you need to write an actually functioning kernel but at the same time it's what makes the language so much "safer".

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 0:34

>>47
>when there are enough drivers
New hardware arrives every month with closed source windows-only drivers(and not for every windows version)
>user level code
there is no point developing for a system which doesn't have users or drivers
concept of usability does not intersect with the stability
>compatibility layer for user level code and drivers
What would happens if such foreign code crashes your compatibility layer? Will it result in an app being terminated or there will be other consequences..?
The real question: why would users pick your system+compatibility layers vs the system they use now?
Think about it from the perspective of an average user(as dumb as possible).
 99% of users will be in that "average" category and will stay on windows/mac unless they have a very good reason(an advantage) to switch.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 0:36

>>48
You just need a way to inline assembly when you need to get there.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 0:36

>>48
All that you need to make yourself compatible with other drivers is to comply with basic and well documented API standards.
Thats what autists actually believe.jpg

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 0:43

>>49
I don't think you are getting the jist of my post. You can write your own operating system and implement the same api used by the windows drivers, and the windows user level code. Then drivers and software written for windows will just work on your operating system.

If the compatibility layer is within the operating system, it will never crash. If a requested operation cannot be done, an error code will be signaled, just like with normal system calls.

I can't respond to that last comment because it doesn't concern me what other people choose to use, or for what reasons. I'm going to write the software that I will write, and if other people choose to use it, I expect them to use my software by their own choice as any sentient being would.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 0:45

>people unfamiliar with drivers, who have never seen how windows drivers are "ported" to linux try to reason about "API standards"

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 0:46

>>51
Your a fucking idiot. How do you think windows works? Clouds and rainbows? It's fucking software. If someone can follow an API to write a driver for windows, someone else can make an alternative operating system that works with the driver, using the same API as a guide.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 0:49

>>53
Just leave. Go back to /g/ and chant your idiocy there.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 0:52

>>54
All we need to do is to be "using the same API". Yeah, folks. Geniuses of /prog/ have solved the hardware problems of every non-windows OS ever. Only those Lunix/BSD/etc autists somehow don't know how easy it was. I'm messaging Linus right now. This will be a OSRevolution.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 0:56

>>56
Have you ever written a driver? What do you think they do? Write some code and pray to the microsoft god that it works?

Your messages will be ignored because they aren't aiming for compatibility with windows. Maybe reactos would be interested. At least do your research know what you are talking about.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 1:10

pray to the microsoft god that it works
 If you haven't prayed yet, your driver won't get a MS cryptographic signature and average windows user won't be able to install it(however it is easy to override the verification). Such is life in windows-land. Also, pray to AMD/Nvidia/Intel for releasing your Lunix drivers.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 1:48

>Implying certified drivers won't accidentally destroy your hardware
http://www.techngaming.com/topic/1587-nvidias-latest-32018-drivers-destroy-graphics-cards/

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 3:14

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 3:23

Is this kid actually trying to greentext?

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 3:27

>>60
Did you just google "linux driver problem" and paste the top 8 results? You realize that all of those issues are a problem of buggy drivers, not drivers failing to work under different operating systems that use the same driver API? Please scorn the correct thing in the future.

http://www.reactos.org/

I'm sure wont have trouble finding a list of faults for it.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 4:40

>>62
>Did you just google "linux driver problem" and paste the top 8 results?
Why don't you try to google it and compare? Did you read what these articles are about at all?
Also this:
"windows driver problem" About 1,040,000 results (Windows has x100 users)
"linux driver problem" About 2,560,000 results

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 4:47

>>63
That doesn't relate to what we were talking about though, since linux is not designed to support windows drivers. I don't know why I feel this need to try to realign you into this conversation. It's not like I'm getting anything out of it. Fuck, what am I doing with my life? Is this really what it's come to? Trying to talk sense into some stubborn idiot online? I don't care where you come from, although it is obvious that you are from /g/. The very fact that I'm spending moments of my life attempting to talk to you tells me and the rest of the world that I don't value myself or my life enough to live it to its fullest potential. I have better things that I could be doing. Better conversations I could be having with better people. Why do I put up with this mundane and completely unfulfilling crap on a daily basis? And in my free time no less? I don't think anyone could pay me to talk to people like you, yet here I am doing it for free. What the fuck is wrong with me? Do I have some sort of unresolved issues or something that forces me to keep doing this, despite it being an obvious sink on my time and health? What the hell is wrong with me?

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 5:14

>>64
TROLLED HARD HAHA THE GAME BITE IT FAG

THE GAME THE GAME THE GAME ;)

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 5:18

>>60 all describe problems with Lunix drivers that damage the hardware PERMANENTLY
If API standards worked(followed by both OS/Hardware developers) this wouldn't happen.
 >>64 I suggest moving to another forum.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 5:22

>>64
>le expert troll
>the game for people who have never played a real game

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 5:25

>>67
>CoD
>Halo
>Metal Gear
>s4 league
rate my taste in videogames

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 5:39

>>68
These games are not Touhou!

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 5:40

>>68
You seem to prefer fast-paced FPS combat games. The games may provide a vent to your aggression towards the world in convenient package. You want peer-approval and don't want to deviate from the mean.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 5:51

CONVENIENT PACKAGE MY ANUS

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 6:18

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 6:32

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 6:37

>>73
>2013
>BEING ON LE /PROGS/ XD
NOT USING LE /G/EPIC (THAT MEANS /G/-TIER EPIC XDD) >2013 MAYME XDDDDD
MFW POSTING LE STALLMAN FACE AND LE /G/EPIC
>MFW SOMEONE ASK WHAT IS OUR LE FAVOURITE MEME XDDD
>MFW SOME DONT ANSWER LE >2013 MEME XOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>MFWW XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 6:43

>>74
Admit it, you're just a /prog/autist with severe enough butthurt to satirize /g/ with your pathetic  over-the-top posts.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 6:57

>>75
He probably has an autistic fantasy where he "as Defender of /prog/" drives out the "evil /g/ invaders" with his "psyops".

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 7:15

>>74,75
Look, just please leave your 2013 meme on /g/.  It reveals you as know-it-all 13 year olds.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 7:19

>>77
>this maymay has age limits. I am from 4chan meme committee, listen to me.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 8:08

You quote by leaving a space after ``>'', so please fix your quotes in the future :)

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 8:11

>>78
U MENA MEHMEH

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 8:22

>>79
>you quote by leaving a space
I don't want to waste 1-2% of time per line just to please the local autistic overlords.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 8:25

↑小学生並みのヘリクツ乙w

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 8:50

>>82
check your age privilege weaboo scum

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 8:54

>>83
checked and confirmed

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 11:38

Guys, by giving attention to this eggwing, you're just making feel at home. Ignore anything that resembles a /g/ post and you're good to go.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 11:48

MAKING FEEL MY ANUS

Name: Dr. Evil !!VGY6gdK3eGcsB8u 2013-08-29 11:51

>>85
Your efforts are futile! Kattleija, my AI, will soon be able to not only imitate LELCUNT with sufficient accuracy but also identify typical /g/ posts autonomously!

You thought the age of Nikita was bad? Wait until you see this!

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 11:59

>>87
You thought the age of Nikita was bad?
No, why would I? He was just simply exposing the crimes of the Jews.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 22:21

Ha, you call those fast paced fps games? Take a look at quakeworld.

Name: Anonymous 2013-08-29 22:22

Linux > Winblows > Muc os x

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