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IEEE standards

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-16 22:26

Suppose I want to acquire some IEEE Standard Documents without paying for them.

IK there is no easy way, but considering that there might be some secluded release group on EFnet. Assuming it exists I might be willing to go into all the troubles with tunneled a bnc and stuff.

What are my chances to get V& and are the people I would have to get in touch with exposing themselves to it?

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-16 23:09

u gun get fukk in da butt in prison, lol xDDD

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-16 23:17

I used to want to acquire some IEEE Standard Documents without paying for them, but then I took an arrow to the knee.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-16 23:31

>>1
Suppose I want to acquire some IEEE Standard Documents without paying for them.
Jews wont allow you. They're making money from these papers.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 0:01

>>1
Hey I want that too! What's the chan on EFnet?

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 0:49

>>1
Why? If you're not a professional, you don't need it.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 0:51

As a sign of good will, you can obtain a few papers yourself (wont be hard if you're an insider) and put them on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet or some other place, where it'll be hard to take them down.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 0:53

>>6
For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_754-1985 could be relevant to all /prog/rammers, "professional" or not.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 0:55

>>8
What's wrong with the wikipedia page?

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 0:58

>>9
Do you prefer to read original paper or comments on it?

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 0:59

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/guesthome.jsp
Some university libraries have hardcopy IEEE standards and/or IEEE Xplore available for free.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 1:03

>>11
available for free.
University education isn't free.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 1:05

>>11
Some university libraries have hardcopy IEEE standards
Can somebody scan them and publish on some ftp?

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 1:28

>>12
You don't have to be a student to go in the library.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 1:39

>>14
Only registered students have access to university library.

http://www.accesseducationindia.com/cost-of-education.html
It differs from university to university ranging from public cost $ 5000 a year to $ 30000 per annum for private institutes.

Doubt anyone wish to pay $5000 for access to a library.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 1:39

>>14
which library has access to IEEE?

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 1:40

>>12
What kind of backwards country do you live in? In norway, you get paid to study at universities. And yes we do have the IEEE standards but they span an entire shelf of binders so there's no way in hell I'll be scanning them all.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 1:44

>>17
USA, Canada, Australia and all third-world "developing" banana countries - all have non-free education.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 1:46

>>17
we do have the IEEE standards but they span an entire shelf of binders so there's no way in hell I'll be scanning them all.
If each student scans at least one stanard, it could be done in a week.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 1:48

>>19
The implication being it takes a week to scan one.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 1:59

>>20
It takes a week to organize students.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 2:06

You're just a cheap dick. This is a professional's publication intended solely for professionals (electrical engineer) who would always have the financing to buy what they need. Since you are not a professional, you should not have access to it; it's that simple.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 2:16

>>22
why? justify.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 2:22

>>23
Only professionals would need the level of information detailed in it. I am a trained EE and I have seen IEEE standards during my time in studies. I don't currently work as an EE but for all the hobby hacking I've done in probing my gadgets, Wikipedia always had enough information for me to facilitate my work.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 2:37

>>22
This is a professional's publication intended solely for professionals
Then there is nothing wrong in making them available for general public.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 2:42

>>24
Only professionals would need the level of information detailed in it.
I want to build an IEEE_754-1985 FPU emulator. How do I do that without the "level of information detailed in it"?

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 2:43

>>24
Wikipedia always had enough information for me to facilitate my work.
Do you prefer to read original paper or comments on it?

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 2:47

FREE IEEE

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 2:49

>>26
Hack into an university network.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 3:00

>>25
Yes, I agree it's not wrong. However, the authors of that publication do not want that information in the general public as is their right under the Berne convention inspired copyright law. I'd like it in the public but that's the rules; it's your own responsibility to play within the rules or lobby to get the rules changed.

>>26
Ok, that is professional level knowledge (even if you are a hobbyist). While I wish you well in that endeavour, you'll have to either pay for that access or ask someone else for that access (which is exactly what you're doing here). You should've originally stated which standard you're after and for which purpose you intend to use it.

>>27
I would prefer the original paper as I often had to ask EE friends who had intimate understanding of the work I did. The wikipedia articles were good enough in pointing me to which questions I would need to ask them.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 3:10

>>30
the authors of that publication do not want that information in the general public as is their right under the Berne convention inspired copyright law.
Only jews care about some laws protecting jews. If you have no copyrighted property of your own, then you have no need for such a talmudic law. And dont forget, that IEEE is a USA based corporation - i.e. IEEE is your economic enemy, if you live somewhere in China, India, Latino, Eastern Europe, or Islamic country.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 3:14

>>33
nice dubs bro

I hope you have a great day

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 3:37

Most authors don't even get paid much if at all by paywalls. Paywalls impede scientific progress, by preventing important information from being (easily) publicly accessible. Some even impede it by forcing authors to not upload papers on their own sites or force them to only upload preprints or earlier versions.

Name: >>33 2012-01-17 3:40

It also reminds me of pyramid schemes: they offer to host your data (your research papers) then they charge you (some university) to access the data (maybe for less). Good thing some of them figured it out and there are open alternatives, but there's still a lot of knowledge hidden behind paywalls.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 4:02

>>31
>Only jews care about some laws protecting jews. If you have no copyrighted property of your own, then you have no need for such a talmudic law.
Cool true scotsman bro. Tell me another cool story this time involving even more Jews.
IEEE is your economic enemy, if you live somewhere in China, India, Latino, Eastern Europe, or Islamic country.
Oh there you go, even more cool stories.

>>33
Yes, the purpose of paywalls is to control scientific progress for a fee. It really depends upon your purposes: do you want money for publishing your knowledge or is it more important to gift humanity with some quality (though esoteric) knowledge?

>>34
That isn't what a pyramid scheme is, just letting you know.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 5:07

>>35
Your answer shows that you're out of viable arguments. I will interpret it as your surrender.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 5:09

>>33>>34
Standard Documents aren't research papers. They're more like program code or blueprints.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 5:18

Yes, the purpose of paywalls is to control scientific progress for a fee. It really depends upon your purposes: do you want money for publishing your knowledge or is it more important to gift humanity with some quality (though esoteric) knowledge?
Basically, a paper publishing company is a some fat jew (most publishing compaines are owned by jews), who somehow got the right to decide what is important for goyim. And, of course, such publishers can ban research based on political or ethnical reason ("you're a goy-antisemite and we hate you").

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 5:23

>>38
most publishing compaines are owned by jews
For example, Springer Verlag...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertelsmann
Hartmut Ostrowski, Chairman & CEO
OstrowsKI? Kike.

Dr. Thomas Rabe, Chief Financial Officer
Rabe? Rabbi.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 5:26

>>39
Also,
Bertelsmann is not publicly listed and is majority owned (77.4%) by the Bertelsmann Foundation, a non-profit organisation and political think tank set up by the Mohn family
Jewish family. Like Rothschilds.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 6:26

>>38
With logic like that, it's no wonder you have such a poor reputation here. 5/10.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 6:33

>>41
>>36

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 6:36

>>36,41,42
>>36

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 6:42

>>42,43
Someone is trying the set ordering again.

Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!FBeUS42x4uM+kgp 2012-01-17 7:07

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22IEEE754.pdf%22
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22IEEE754-2008.pdf%22

Make sure to thank the Chinese.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 7:28

So, the question is: why scientific publishing is controlled by the jews, instead of government, who funds the research or interested in standards? Any good reason?

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 7:32

>>46
There aren't any government institutions that will fund publishing services for state sponsored scientific research.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 7:46

>>46
Because Jews are the master race, you fool.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 7:46

>>47
why would they fund springer verlag, by paying for access to their papers?

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 7:47

>>48
Why are they "the master race"?

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 8:01

>>46
Not all of it is controlled by commercial entities, there's enough free (online) services, but they seem to be more popular around math, physics, compsci and less around more traditional fields.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 9:41

>>50
They get +1 to intelligence and Polymorph 1/day

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 10:08

>>50
Why are they "the master race"?
Depends on the meaning of "why". If it's a request for explanation, then because we, as a race, always respected intellect and wisdom, which resulted in all kinds of self-reinforcing genetic and social feedback loops. You'll never see a Jewish woman going after a "bad boy alpha male" trash (if she is Jewish both racially and socially, of course).

If, however, you mean to ask "why do you think that you are the master race", then just look around, fool. You see Jews controlling the word, in every aspect, from global financial institutions to little things like access to ACM preprints. That's means that we are the master race. We are a race, and we are the masters of the world: the master race. Got it?

That's one thing that makes anti-semites almost cute, like a retarded kitten angry at its own hindlegs. How they publicly demonstrate irrefutable proofs of our superiority but then instead of joining the ranks of our allies and employees they somehow continue to believe that it's all kind of incidental or something, that we've somehow "cheated" our way into the position of power and just pointing out that we are there should be enough to dispel the glamour. Lol.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 11:06

This thread was quite useful to me. I used to be pissed about paywalls preventing me from reading interesting papers, books and standards and having to resort to searching for pirated  copies of them on the Internet, many times with success, but not always, if it was something obscure, or if more lucky on the author's sites.

>>1 got me thinking about how I could acquire almost any paywalled paper or book without paying or relying on anyone for help. In about 20-30 minutes of research I managed to find a few ways of doing it. I'm currently content that my access to some interesting knowledge is no longer being restricted, but I'm not going to say what I did to gain access to it as I don't want my current easy access to be made harder, instead I invite anyone to use their head to find a way, just like they would use their heads when reading and understanding papers or books.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 12:24

>>54
lemme guess: your way doesn't work on any paper and not complete collections or, for that matter "unpopular" ones.

thanks but I already figured that.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 12:40

>>53
You're not a real jew. They rarely go into an open fight like that. Or maybe you're just a jewish trash, who loves to play "alpha male" and enjoys vanity?

it's all kind of incidental or something, that we've somehow "cheated" our way into the position of power
Nope. No magic or outstanding IQ, just plain old cronyism, good education and a cooperation between jews in the face of common enemy.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 12:43

>>53
I'm sorry mudskin but the only master race is the Aryan race.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 12:52

>>55
It does not involve finding copies of books or papers by searching on google. It's just a way of download most papers/books directly from a wide array of journals/paywalls, I tested it on a bunch of computer science and math papers, some EE ones and 2 complete books that I wanted to read, it seems unlimited as far what I can download.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 13:11

>>56
You're not a real jew. They rarely go into an open fight like that.
Where do you see a fight? ;-)

No magic or outstanding IQ, just plain old cronyism, good education and a cooperation between jews in the face of common enemy.
Yes. That's what being a master race is. It doesn't involve any magic or "outstanding IQ" (you are aware that IQ is nowhere near being a valid measure of general intellect, right?). It's about common sense, cooperation, education, long-term planning, et cetera. :-)

Also, it's not a coincidence that people who hold the childish belief in racial superiority as being based on "magical aryanness" tend to scrub toilets for minimal wage, as a rule.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 13:32

>>59
you are aware that IQ is nowhere near being a valid measure of general intellect, right
Like "conciousness", "intelligence" is a vague term.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 14:11

you guys sure hate jews

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 14:11

you guys sure hate jews

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 16:56

>>61
It's just a couple of self-hating jews. Most other people here are more reasonable in their policies.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-17 23:34

>>24

Given time and perseverance, any one can make use of those documents. The only justification in my eyes is the source of funding. If people doing research can manage to make money off of those willing to pay lots of money to read their papers, then alright, that's cool. It's a bummer that it isn't completely open to the public, as there is an economic barrier. It's not as bad as being proprietary though. If you wanted to maximize your contribution to the furthering of technology/science/whatever, you would make all of your work open and free to view to maximize the size of your audience, and the number of people around the world willing to pick up your work where you left off. Restricting access to your work lessens your contribution to society.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 0:11

>>64
If people doing research can manage to make money off of those willing to pay lots of money to read their papers, then alright, that's cool.
Most costly "natural science" research is funded by the governments, using taxpayers money. And then the result of research is given to a publisher jew, so that he could sell it back to you. It's so ironic, government institutions pay for access to their own papers. I'm really jelly of jews, who made this scheme into life.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 0:15

>>65
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier#Criticism_and_controversies
charge subscription prices as high as $14,000
lol

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 0:54

>>66
IT'S ALREADY ALL BLACK, FUCK THOSE COMMUNIST JEWS! AS IF THE BEARDED BUM ASKING FOR MY MONEY WASN'T ENOUGH!!

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 1:22

>>67
Education is a privilege, not a right.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 2:26

>>68
well, K-12 education in my country is right. To every practical extent, it is mandatory, ``faggot''. And if you think about the benefits it would have for society, higher education really ought to be a right. Although if you take scholarships into account, it is a right for those who could otherwise not afford it. The only price is dedication and time, of course.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 3:00

>>69
In most countries you have to pay even for basic education or education above first 3 years.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 3:02

>>69
if you think about the benefits it would have for society, higher education really ought to be a right.
No benefit. Educated people are dangerous for establishment. They have a chance to succesfully riot and overthrow their opressors.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 3:06

>>71
lol. as if that happens.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 3:50

>>72
Doubt, that without education you could setup a cryptographic channel, required for organizing revolution. Cleaning revolutionary ranks from potential infiltrators and unreliable persons also requires education.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 3:57

>>73
BTW, in some countries cryptography is prohibited by law or heavily monitored by ISPs equipment, so one have to use steganography to hide their presence.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 4:58

BTW, in some countries cryptography is prohibited by law or heavily monitored by ISPs equipment, so one have to use stegosauruses to hide their presence.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 10:04

>>75
Back to reddit, ``XKCDfag''.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 10:54

>>74
Proof?

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 11:27

>>77
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_cryptography#Legal_issues
Russia banned its use by private individuals in 1995.
France had quite strict regulations in this fiel

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 11:31

>>77
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA#AT.26T_Internet_monitoring
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SORM

other countries have similar policy.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 11:34

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_For_Law_Enforcement_Act
USA telecommunications providers must install new hardware or software, as well as modify old equipment, so that it doesn't interfere with the ability of a law enforcement agency (LEA) to perform real-time surveillance of any telephone or Internet traffic.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 12:03

>>78-79
Interesting how neither country has complained about the proliferation of FOSS OS' with strong cryptography capabilities.

Let's see how they like it when a full-blown steganography-based cryptographic darknet is born.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 12:28

Let's see how they like it when a full-blown steganography-based cryptographic darknet is born.
Or when Jesus cometh again and obsoletes all mundane countries and governments, uniting all people in the Kingdom of God.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 12:30

>>82
Ha-ha, very funny, just you wait and see.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 12:34

>>81
Interesting how neither country has complained about the proliferation of FOSS OS' with strong cryptography capabilities.
If a non-backdoored one appears, they will complain.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 12:52

>>84
Most of them aren't backdoored.  Arch Linux must be, of course, thanks to the lack of a proper signed package system.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 14:31

>>85
How do you know? Who was Linus himself after all? A half-jewish son of commies?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_torvalds
Both of his parents were campus radicals at the University of Helsinki in the 1960s. His family belongs to the Swedish-speaking minority (5.5%)

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 14:34

>>86
The other Linus looks even more jewish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Pauling

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 14:49

Check my IEEE Standard doubles

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 15:21

>>87
excellent post

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 15:33

>>88
Direct comparison to IEEE floats considered harmful.

Name: 89 2012-01-18 15:47

sorry I meant >>88
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