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Flash Website

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-11 18:22

I have CS5 master collection and am trying to find good tutorials online for making a flash website, but everything is shit. I know java c++ perl and a *little* html, but nothing about action script or javascript. I need some help figuring out what to do.

Any suggestions?

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-11 18:34

Shitty thread number 2:
NO EXCEPTIONS

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-11 18:34

/backplate getgoes/

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-11 18:51

>>2
Huh?

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-11 18:51

>>3
What does that even mean?

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-11 19:07

>>5
I guess I broke some kind of /prog/ rule.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-11 19:09

>>1,4-6
>>2 means your thread is quite low on the /prog/ Thread Quality Standards
>>3 means Back to /g/.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-11 19:10

>>7
* /prog/ Thread Quality Standard Scale

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-11 19:18

>>7
I looked to find posting rules for /prog/ (I'm not a complete tard) but I couldn't find any, so I just based my post on others on the board (there's my problem right there)

Would /g/ be a better board for my question? It didn't seem applicable there.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-12 0:31

>>9
You seem like a decent person, so I'll help.

Don't make flash websites. Seriously. They are horrible resource hogs, and they play along badly with assistive technologies.

Beauty is in simplicity.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-12 3:46

i'm with >>10

don't bother learning flash at this point if you don't already know it. apple and google don't like it so it's pretty much on the way out. learn html5

also, more EXPERT BBCODE

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-12 4:30

>>9
so I just based my post on others on the board (there's my problem right there)

We've got some problems with the autistic kids right now.
/g/ is never the better board for anything.

>>10 answered to your question, >>11 gave you a perfect alternative, and you should really learn javascript, but as a programming language, not as a web language.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-12 4:30

>>10
>>11
Thanks guys for giving me a real response, it's more than I was starting to expect.

I have heard the same thing about flash being a dying horse, and personally I hate flash websites but that's the kind of site my roommate wants me to make so its what I'm gonna learn.

>>11
Can similar things be done in html5? I tried looking into it but I barely know html so I don't understand the new things introduced in html5.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-12 4:34

>>13
Basically, html5 introduces the <canvas> tags.
You still need javascript to draw something inside it.

It's still slower than flash now, though.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-12 4:36

>>13
Oh, yeah, and here sage is considered polite, please use it.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-12 4:42

>>14
Oh I see, yeah I was teaching myself javascript before said roommate asked me about this flash junk, guess I should get back on that then.
>>15
My bad, I thought everyone just wanted my thread to die. Thanks for explaining!

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-12 5:11

look up some canvas demos, but most people just use flash for fancyness etc you can just use jquery for that. shit will get faster probably, canvas hardware acceleration etc...

there is no fundamental reason why javascript should be slow and there are multiple players on the market competing with eachother. future oriented proggers should become EXPERT ENTERPRISE JAVASCRIPT PROGRAMMERS.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-12 5:20

>>15
It's not really, you know.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-12 5:31

>>17
Haha I like the sound of that.

Until then though I still need to figure out how to make a fracking flash site. Suggestions? I just looked at some tuts I torrented and they're garbage. Every tut I see seems to be.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-12 5:58

>>18
Why would anybody on 4chan lie?

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-12 6:01

>>20
Why don't you, >>18 to issho, back to /b/, please?

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-12 6:23

>>10
horrible resource hogs
Oh boy. I'm so sick of hearing that shit. It you put a static (without animation or scripting) Flash file in a page, the Flash plugin uses no CPU. In fact, right now, Flash compares very favorably (in terms of performance) to the native browser technology people are touting (except for hardware-accelerated browsers).

Flash has many problems. The browser plugin interface is garbage and it creates a lot of issues (browser keyboard shortcuts stop working when Flash has focus, if there's excessive CPU load event pumping gets flaky stalling user input, on some platforms the interface is outright broken and requires the browser to poll the plugin a thousand times per second, in many cases the plugin has to draw to a memory surface which the browser has to copy again to the screen, in some other cases it uses a "native window" which renders and moves asynchronously...); also there's only one (usable) implementation of it with no source code available, which is a huge liability for something that is exposed like that to foreign data (and a liability for future playback of content, although there's a spec). Moreover its design is very biased to Adobe's clients (the content makers), so you'll never find features such as "right click -> save video as..."; instead you get intentional obfuscation and lack of control.

But performance isn't its problem. Well, it sort of is because most "Flash designers" are total retards and do atrocities and it Flash makes that too easy (for example, last time I checked most online video sites didn't use fullscreen hardware-accelerated scaling and had wmode=transparent which pretty much means the person "coding" the page had absolutely no idea what he was doing, and was just copying and pasting code from somewhere; YouTube is the only one that almost got it right)

When these people move to "HTML5" or whatever it'll get just as bad, only the users will have more direct control over these things since the browsers allow it. In fact, strike 1 against canvas: it's an immediate mode API so the browser has to honor all draw commands whether it's visible on the screen or not. At least Flash stops rendering when not visible. There's a JavaScript event to notify the tab is no longer visible, but obviously nobody will use it (you have to force these things, developers are idiots - no exceptions).

The negative association many people (such as >>10) have to Flash comes mostly from things outside Flash's control. I mean, it you're the kind of "designer" that uses Flash for buttons/menus, you probably have such poor taste and lack of common sense that your page is going to suck no matter which technology you choose.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-12 6:36

>>22
"designer" that uses Flash for buttons/menus
Oh God.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-12 6:38

Here, have this retarded service that was advertised on Slashdot:
http://www.wix.com/flash_websites/matrix

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-12 7:16

Websites made in Flash need to die.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-12 8:13

>>22
it's an immediate mode API so the browser has to honor all draw commands whether it's visible on the screen or not.
Once control lies in the hands of people who can actually program, i.e. not Adobe, there are measures against this, like just suspending execution of any context which keeps trying to draw while offscreen. Probably not to standards, but it has only itself to blame, and battery life is getting very important again with the mobile device push.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-12 8:30

>>25
Be decent enough to call such sites as Flashsites. Website technologies are still respectable enough to remain separate to Flash.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-12 17:32

Well I was excited when I woke up and saw a bunch of posts in my thread, but I guess this thread has just turned into lets all bash flash.

I know people hate flash sites, I mentioned earlier that I hate them, but that's what my client wants so I've got to learn it with or without you guys. Oh and >>24 no, I refuse to use a service like that. I'd rather go through the pain of doing it myself.

>>22
>"Well, it sort of is because most "Flash designers" are total retards"
I'd like to not be that retard, do you know how I can achieve such a thing?

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-13 6:52

You guys are jerks.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-13 6:54

>>29
y u so mad bro lol

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-13 7:02

>>28
I'd like to not be that retard, do you know how I can achieve such a thing?
Do not make websites in flash.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-13 16:12

>>28
Wait wait wait, this started out as ``my roommate is an idiot who wants me to do things in the worst possible way how do I do it''.  Now it's turned into ``I'm an idiot who wants to do things in the worst possible way how do I do it''.  What changed?  And why ask for advice when you're determined to do it wrong anyway?

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-13 18:49

>>31
>>32
It's not a wrong way, it's a bad way I agree, but it's what I'm supposed to build and I have no way around it. Obviously you guys refuse to see that and refuse to do anything besides tell me how bad flash is. [sarcasm]So thanks a lot for all the amazing help.[/sarcasm]

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-13 18:52

>>33
Dude we're not a fucking tech support, now quit not sage-ing and fuck off, ``please''.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-13 19:06

>>1
I have CS5 master collection and am trying to find good tutorials online for making a flash website, but everything is shit.
At this point, you're supposed to go "hmm i wonder WHY (it's all shit)".

I know java c++ perl and a *little* html, but nothing about action script or javascript. I need some help figuring out what to do.
No, you don't.

Any suggestions?
sage

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-13 20:25

Why don't you just use enough Javascript for your page to look as stupid anything made in Flash? If the client is clueless enough that he wants it ``pretty'' and ``cool'', it's not as if he could tell the difference anyway.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-14 6:33

cuban prime get

Name: Back to /b/, !uaVa00FkCs 2011-01-14 6:34

>>37
Back to /b/, ``please''.

Name: Fuck off, !Ep8pui8Vw2 2011-01-14 6:40

Fuck off, ``faggot''.

Name: Back to /b/, !uaVa00FkCs 2011-01-14 6:43

>>39
Back to /b/, ``please''.

Name: Fuck off, !Ep8pui8Vw2 2011-01-14 6:44

>>40,42
Fuck off, ``faggot''.

Name: Back to /b/, !uaVa00FkCs 2011-01-14 6:45

>>41
Back to /b/, ``please''.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-14 6:46

>>42
how's yo'ure autism going?

Name: Back to /jp/, !uaVa00FkCs 2011-01-14 6:48

>>43
Back to /jp/, ``please''.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-14 6:48

>>44
Ok, lol.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-14 22:42

>>37
>>43
Quit bumping my thread and let it sage into oblivion like these ... kind... gentlemen want.

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-04 19:13

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