In a generally well-appreciated move, packagers of the most widely used GNU operating system decided to remove support for PHP, arguing that it is ``a rotten language whose use should not be encouraged.''
>>48 the linux kernel hasn't really gotten any more modern since 2003.
I really hope you are trying to troll.
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Anonymous2010-03-02 16:42
I'd hate to say it, I love GNU and all, but the maintainers and packagers (especially ones wearing red hats) have been getting lower quality lately. PHP is a great language, if one uses it 10 lines at a time, for simple scripts.
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Anonymous2010-03-02 17:15
Java is a great language if you don't create any classes.
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Anonymous2010-03-02 17:24
>>48
In 2003 you couldn't plug in a printer and have it work.
Now you can (in most cases). So clearly, the kernel improved a lot in terms of hardware support.
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Anonymous2010-03-02 17:27
>>52
see http://dis.4chan.org/read/comp/1267135871
*nix has always been about printer support, not just since '03. i remember one story about how RMS had a problem getting a printer to work so he wrote a new OS.
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Anonymous2010-03-02 17:33
>>46
Ironically, the OS X retail disc is less expensive than Windows.
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Anonymous2010-03-02 19:21
>>52
and in 2010 you can't even plug in a printer and have it work on os x or windows without installing 400MB of crap from hp.
oddly enough, my hp laserjet worked just fine when i plugged it into my dell machine running debian in 2003.
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Anonymous2010-03-02 19:47
The market for inkjets and lasers should never be compared. It's like comparing the business of disposable plastic glasses to that of masterfully handmade pottery.
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Anonymous2010-03-02 19:53
>>55
CUPS plugs in Gutenprint by default or comes with drivers.
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Anonymous2010-03-02 20:22
>>54
Ironically, he was talking about Mac hardware, not OS X.
>>57
yes, and since it worked, >>52 was wrong. the kernel (in 2003) had good enough hardware support for the printer to work. and that was even on a 2.4 kernel, not the (at the time) shiny new 2.6 kernel.
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Anonymous2010-03-02 22:43
>>61
In my opinion it is userland that has evolved the most dramatically since about 2006. Prior to that, it seems XP had something on Linux for hardware support. I don't think Windows ever caught up (and my optical drive still won't work in Win7.)
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Anonymous2010-03-02 23:14
>>62
that's what >>48 said. the kernel's pretty much stood still while the userland has changed a lot.
>>72
cups is userland, not kernel. a lot of hardware works like that. especially things like video cards. most of the improvements to hardware support have been in userland.
>>73
You're being irrelevant. 100% of my newly/better supported hardware since 2003 has required some kind of kernel support/improvement. I was printing things just fine in 1996, and I still don't need cups to do it.