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Is there no end to RMS's trolling?

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-10 21:10

http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Sep-10.html

I hope that I can last more on this foundation than I lasted at the FSF, where I was removed by RMS after refusing to be an active part of the campaign to rename Linux as GNU/Linux.

RMS Marx Stalin, you never cease to amaze me.

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-10 21:19

>>1
It never ceases to amaze me just how much of a Microsoft Fanboy image Miguel portrays, but there you go.

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-10 21:32

>>1
RMS isn't asking people to rename Linux. He's asking people to stop calling the GNU/Linux system as Linux.

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-10 21:39

>>3
While that would be technically correct (AKA the best kind of correct), nobody gives a shit. That would complicate any conversation that occurs between individuals about Linux. Being a pain in the ass to talk about (as it generally is, but that's another discussion entirely) is not going to make it gain any more traction.

Language changes, deal with it. If I have to sit there and listen to morons call copyright infringement "piracy," I'll be damned if RMS Marx Stalin complains about something as minor as the GNU/Linux distinction.

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-10 21:45

I bet RMS would support
www.thinkb4youspeak.com/

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-10 21:47

>>4
that would be technically correct
Not at all.  None of the systems in question contain only GNU and Linux.

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-10 21:49

>>4
Language changes over time because people are idiots that like to create new meanings from existing words. I'd be speaking either olde english or latin today if I had my way.

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-10 21:50

>>6
GNU/Linux is the operating system. Anything else are additions to the operating system.

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-10 21:53

>>7
No, dumbass. Most changes over time involve pronunciation and spelling, not semantics. See, for example, the evolution of the word "mother".

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-10 21:55

He probably got yelled at for saying "Linux" to Rimmis at a lunch or something.

I prefer RMS over Microsoft

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-10 22:06

Why would we call it GNU/Linux?
It was written by Linux Tarballs, wasn't it? RMS is yet again just trying to take credit for something he had nothing to do with just like his whole viral licensing thing.
( ≖‿≖)

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-10 22:09

>>11

Uhh.

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-10 22:12

>>11
RMS is not trying to get credit for Linux. RMS is trying to get credit for the GNU OS. See the following rant

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-10 22:20

>>13
That's just a copypasta. RMS has never said that. Or, at least, I can't find any instance of him saying that.
I do agree with you, though.

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-10 22:40

>>13
sure sure sure.
GNU/Linux today, RMS/Linux tomorrow.

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-10 22:43

>>15
In response to suggestions that Stallman's renaming efforts stem from egotism or personal pique, Stallman has responded that his interest is not in giving credit to himself, but to the GNU Project: Some people think that it's because I want my ego to be fed. Of course, I'm not asking you to call it "Stallmanix".

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-10 22:51

>>16
Except GNU has always been *his* project, even if other people did the coding.

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-11 0:21

>>17
Linus wrote most part of system, he chose name linux and likes it.
RMS didn't write shit (ignore the notepad), chose name GNU. People wrote free code for it.

RMS does not have the right to rename linux to gun/linux.

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-11 1:34

>>7
Fuck those. Back to Proto-Indo-European, I say.

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-11 1:36

>>19
You are not allowed to talk about Proto-Indo-European on /prog/!!

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-11 4:00

I hate Mono guy, he can go die.

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-11 4:20

>>14
First paragraph is /g/, 2nd and 3rd taken from his essays.

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-11 5:38

RMS is a beautiful, sexual painting that we must cherish.

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-11 5:51

✈ ▌▌

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-11 6:09

>>16

Guess what was Raymond's Cathedral?

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-11 14:06

Root mean square for sinusoid functions can be found by dividing the amplitude by the square root of two.

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-11 14:14

le gasp

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-11 14:37

>>26
Did you mean: multiplying them by one half the square root of two?

Name: Anonymous 2009-09-11 14:44

>>28

. . . .now >>26's intention is superpositional.

Name: Anonymous 2010-11-28 7:31

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 7:10

>>31 fuck you

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 8:02

>>3
Why?
When I say Linux or NTOSKRNL when referring to a user-oriented desktop OS everyone immediately knows what I'm talking about.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 9:02

Le Miguel

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 9:28

What you’re referring to as GNU/Linux, is in fact, NVIDIA/GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, NVIDIA plus GNU/Linux. GNU/Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning NVIDIA/GNU/Linux system made useful by the NVIDIA graphics driver and the X.org X11 server.

Many computer users run a modified version of the NVIDIA/GNU/Linux system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of NVIDIA/GNU/Linux which is widely used today is often called “GNU/Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the NVIDIA/GNU/Linux system, developed by NVIDIA Corporation. There really is a GNU/Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.

GNU/Linux is the base system: the part of the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. It is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. GNU/Linux is normally used in combination with the NVIDIA graphics driver: the whole system is basically NVIDIA with GNU/Linux added, or NVIDIA/GNU/Linux. All the so-called “GNU/Linux” distributions are really distributions of NVIDIA/GNU/Linux.

Name: interject.c 2012-10-03 9:47

/*         DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE
                   Version 2, December 2004

Copyright (C) 2004 Sam Hocevar <sam@hocevar.net>

Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim or modified
copies of this license document, and changing it is allowed as long
as the name is changed.

           DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE
  TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR COPYING, DISTRIBUTION AND MODIFICATION

 0. You just DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO. */

#include <stdio.h>

void interject(const char *s) {
    printf("I'd just like to interject for a moment\n\nWhat you're referring to"
           " as %s, is in fact, GNU/%s, or as I've recently taken to calling it"
           ", GNU plus %s. %s is not an operating system unto itself, but rathe"
           "r another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made use"
           "ful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system component"
           "s comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.\n\nMany computer users "
           "run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizi"
           "ng it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which "
           "is widely used today is often called '%s', and many of its users ar"
           "e not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the G"
           "NU Project. There really is a %s, and these people are using it, bu"
           "t it is just a part of the system they use.\n\n%s is the kernel: th"
           "e program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to t"
           "he other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of "
           "an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in"
           " the context of a complete operating system. %s is normally used in"
           " combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is bas"
           "ically GNU with %s added, or GNU/%s. All the so-called '%s' distrib"
           "utions are really distributions of GNU/%s.\n",
           s, s, s, s, s, s, s, s, s, s, s, s);
}

int main(int argc, char *argv[]) {
    if(argc != 2) interject("Linux");
    else interject(argv[1]);
    return 0;
}

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 10:15

>>36
e/b/in reddit meme XD

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 10:15

>>35
I fucking hate you.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 10:21

Operating system is a synonym for kernel. Most companies ship extras with their operating system, to the point where a court of law had to say they aren't "part" of it (see the various Internet Explorer court cases).
If an operating system needs a compiler or text editor or shell before it can be called an operating system, it makes me wonder what rms thought operating systems before the 1960s were.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 10:37

>>39
An operating system is the kernel plus a bunch of stuff that makes a computer usable by (and useful for) humans.
They are not synonymous.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 11:01

You guys are spoiled by Linux distributions, calling them operating systems.

A operating system proper is just something for a common ground in between the hardware and the applications and to control the use of limited resources, nothing more or less than that. Things like file system layouts and executable file loading mechanisms. As long as binaries can be loaded from disk and invoked from the terminal its an operating system. In the old days this was what we called the Disk Operating System.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 11:21

>>3
Who cares? Both GNU and Linux have Jewish founders. Then Linux is named after Linus Pauling - another Jew.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 11:22

>>41
You kids are spoiled with your disks and terminals. You can also load binaries from cards, tape, EPROMs, etc.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 11:27

>>43
You whippersnappers are spoiled with your binaries. You can also program tabulators using plug-boards.

Name: 35 2012-10-03 11:41

>>38
You know it's true.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 13:06

Miguel de Icaza is a beaner and a microshill.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 14:28

this thread is 3 years old, that program where MS was supposed to interoperate with open source software died on arrival. I wonder what Miguel is doing now?

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 14:31

>>45
No you cock sucking cretin, it's not.  Look up noveau.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 14:58

>>48
noveau [sic]
Ufufu. Do you really think a Gallium-based driver can compete with the almighty NVIDIA blob?

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 15:06

>>48
The fact that an alternative exists only makes his point more true. Why should that not apply to GNU? GNU didn't invent the standard Unix utilities. I can run Linux with BusyBox, Heirloom, Plan 9 from User Space, or my own implementations that I compiled with tcc or Clang.

On my current box, I am running the NVIDIA driver, the GNU coreutils, and the Linux operating system, therefore I am running the NVIDIA/GNU/Linux operating system.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 16:08

>>49,50
$ cat /proc/sys/kernel/tainted
0


Enjoy your lack of privacy and security, fagshits.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 16:21

>>51

$ ls /proc
ls: /proc: No such file or directory
$ uname -a
Darwin local 11.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 11.4.0: Mon Apr  9 19:32:15 PDT 2012; root:xnu-1699.26.8~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64


What am I doing wrong?

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 16:26

>>52

Try:
ls /Users/Documents\ and\ Setting/iTunes/my-macbook/etc/tmp/mnt/usr/bin/proc/

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 16:28

Should we call OSX GNU/OSX instead?


$ bash --version
GNU bash, version 3.2.48(1)-release (x86_64-apple-darwin11)
Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

$ grep --version
grep (GNU grep) 2.5.1

Copyright 1988, 1992-1999, 2000, 2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

$ make --version
GNU Make 3.81
Copyright (C) 2006  Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A
PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

This program built for i386-apple-darwin11.3.0

$ yacc --version
bison (GNU Bison) 2.3
Written by Robert Corbett and Richard Stallman.

Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.


$ gcc --version
i686-apple-darwin11-llvm-gcc-4.2 (GCC) 4.2.1 (Based on Apple Inc. build 5658) (LLVM build 2336.9.00)
Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 16:32

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 16:52

>>54
It amuses me that the software says it doesn't claim to be fit for any particular purpose.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 20:05

Now that there's GNU Hurd, why do you care about GNU/Linux?

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 20:05

>>57
lol

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 20:08

``free" as in GNU/beer

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 20:10

>>59
RMS drinks Pepsi.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 20:17

>>60
But the recipe isn't available, how will he be able to make his own Pepsi if the need arises?

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 20:19

>>61
He doesn't reject the output of a proprietary program and therefore he doesn't reject drinking Pepsi.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 21:03

>>59
"
Learn.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 21:12

>>63
Terrible!

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 21:19

>>54
Are you making fun of the fact that the people who whine about RMS don't bother to read his argument for calling it GNU/Linux, or are you one of them?

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 21:32

>>65
Rms is a loser unable to make an OS. He worked for years to come up with the clever mutually recursive acronym "the HURD of HARD of HORD". The shit was doomed and never managed to boot. Bad code, faulty design, you name it.

In the meantime it took the young Linus a couple of days to hack together what would be the successful Linux. Rms went mad and butthurt and has been trying to steal credit since then.

Hell, even tdavis managed to produce something bootable.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 21:38

>>66
Wikipedia says, Stallman did wrote his GCC.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 21:41

>>67
When Stallman writes a software that means he asks a student to do it for him. The student is paid with a bunch of nice stories about human fraternity and a better future for you me everybody thanks to free software.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 21:46

Seriously, look at that fat disgusting piece of shit. I wouldn't eat a sandwich if I knew Stallman eyed it through the window.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 21:47

And I thank both Stallman and the student for producing free software that enables me to use my computer without fearing for my security and privacy.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 21:52

>>70
Because you totally checked the 12,000,000,000,000 LoC of gcc for malfeasantware.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 21:58

>>71
Someone else has, and they've signed it with their public key.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 21:59

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 22:01

>>72
It's impossible for a single human to read the whole source code in 10 lifetimes.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 22:06

>>74
You're a shitty coder and you're evaluating others by your own standards.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 22:09

Anyway, if Stallman starts sleeping on your couch and you don't know how to get rid of him, get a dog. Preferably a doberman or a rottweiler. Stallman will squeak and run away from your house without checking his mail.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 22:10

>>76
Ah, comparing rats to jews aren't we.  Fucking retard.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 22:13

>>75
GCC in Git is currently up to 77,053 files amounting to 7,348,239 lines of code as of [August 2012]

Try to get a clue of what you're talking about.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 22:16

>>77
Go on youtube and find a video of Stallman. The guy is squeaking. It has nothing to do with Jews.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 22:27

I love how Stallman gets eager undergraduates to do everything for him.

http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119968311216257&w=2
    Why are you replying on
    everybody else to point these things you to you?

Because that's the efficient way to do it.  This is a matter of fixing
bugs.  I don't read the source code of Emacs over again each month
looking for bugs.  That would be prohibitively difficult.  So I wait
for people to report bugs.  It's the same for these problems.


http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119973356130003
When I want research, I ask people to do it.  That is efficient, and
we have not seen any errors in it.

In the case of AROS, it's possible I did not ask anyone to do
research.  I might have just taken the developers' word that the
system is free.  It was years ago and I do not know what happened.


I've spoken with people from MIT, and apparently a lot of kids think it's a huge honor to fetch rms a drink or read a web page for him. Once a Jew, always a Jew, I suppose.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 22:29

>>79
Which one? Here is a video of Stallman eating something nasty from his foot and drinking it with Pepsi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ

That is about Open Source version of McDonalds...

Then Stallman personally attacked Gosling for no good reason
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/stallman-kth.html
My later dealings with him personally showed that he was every bit as cowardly and despicable as you would expect from that history.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 22:34

>>78
I don't have to read the parts irrelevant to my architecture.  Besides, I can just use tcc or clang.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 22:49

Linux and UNIX™ culture in general is very flawed. They worship ASCII text files because they're ``simple''. Look on Github or SourceForge and you'll see endless ``le epic C utility'' that has no GUI, segfaults in all-but-ideal cases, and is often quite slow since most of these ``hackers'' don't know anything about algorithms or how to design software other than ``use C cuz itz fast''. This is borne of the cancer that is UNIX™. It's like their IQs are too low for anything slightly more complicated and actually effective.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 22:51

>>83
Who needs more than 2048 characters on a line? Let it segfault!

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 23:02

>>83
I agree.  But until SussmanOS comes along, it's ,,good enough'' because, hey, at least it's not closed-source backdoored Microsoft shit.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 23:06

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-03 23:26

>>86
No network drivers.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-04 8:54

>>67,68
It's even worse than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EGCS#EGCS_fork

>>83
Stop reading Xah Lee.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-04 9:36

>>84
Ur a little getser.

Name: 89 2012-10-04 9:37

>>84
We sophisticated C programmers don't tolerate your kind.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-04 10:09

sophisticated C
Oh great! Yet another variant.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-04 12:46

>>83
LESS IS MORE.

IF ``FETCH DOG'' DOESN'T FOR ALL DOGS, YOU ARE FETCHING WRONG. FIX FETCHING. DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT MY PROGRAM.

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