FLASH SUCKS, WINE SUCKS, THE GUI's SUCK, EVERYTHING IS SLOWER THEN WHEN I HAD WINDOWS ON THE SAME MACHINE
WHAT THE FUCK I GOOGLE LINUX DRIVERS AND I GET FAT NERDS ON DISCUSSION BOARDS, GOD DAMN, WHERE IS IT
WHY DO I HAVE TO COMPILE EVERYTHING MYSELF, WHATS WRONG WITH DOWNLOADING BINARYS, HALF THE TIME DEVS FUCK UP THE MAKE FILE ANYWAY AND I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK ON C++ SO I CAN'T FIX IT.
EVERYTIME YOU HAVE TO DO SO MUCH AS MOVE THE MOUSE YOU NEED THE TERMINAL FOR IT. IT'S SO FUCKING ANNOYING, WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT TERMINAL COMMANDS, HOW IS THAT ANYMORE EASIER THEN CLICKING BUTTONS. THERE'S A REASON WINDOWS IS SO POPULAR, THEY GOT OUT OF THE FUCKING 80'S AND KILLED THE NECESSITY FOR THE COMMAND LINE.
GOD DAMN GET OFF YOUR LAZY ASSES AND GET THIS SHIT FIXED
WHY DO I HAVE TO COMPILE EVERYTHING MYSELF, WHATS WRONG WITH DOWNLOADING BINARYS, HALF THE TIME DEVS FUCK UP THE MAKE FILE ANYWAY AND I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK ON C++ SO I CAN'T FIX IT. Advanced Packaging System is the best thing that happened to me. You should try it too.
FLASH SUCKS, WINE SUCKS, THE GUI's SUCK, EVERYTHING IS SLOWER THEN WHEN I HAD WINDOWS ON THE SAME MACHINE
wine on linux is faster than windows. wine on freebsd is even faster.
WHAT THE FUCK I GOOGLE LINUX DRIVERS AND I GET FAT NERDS ON DISCUSSION BOARDS, GOD DAMN, WHERE IS IT
the drivers are included.
WHY DO I HAVE TO COMPILE EVERYTHING MYSELF, WHATS WRONG WITH DOWNLOADING BINARYS, HALF THE TIME DEVS FUCK UP THE MAKE FILE ANYWAY AND I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK ON C++ SO I CAN'T FIX IT.
you don't. just start synaptic and click the shiny buttons. it's even easier than installing stuff on windows.
EVERYTIME YOU HAVE TO DO SO MUCH AS MOVE THE MOUSE YOU NEED THE TERMINAL FOR IT. IT'S SO FUCKING ANNOYING, WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT TERMINAL COMMANDS, HOW IS THAT ANYMORE EASIER THEN CLICKING BUTTONS. THERE'S A REASON WINDOWS IS SO POPULAR, THEY GOT OUT OF THE FUCKING 80'S AND KILLED THE NECESSITY FOR THE COMMAND LINE.
you rarely really need to use the command line in linux. most of the time there are graphical tools that can get the job done just fine. on windows, there are graphical tools to do basic things, but for a lot of things you have to use the command line because there's just no other way to do it on windows.
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Anonymous2009-03-11 4:12
Yes, I use Gentoo. So? I dont see any problem. I embraced my Gentoo distro long ago and I am happy together with my workstation (that is a stage 1 box!). I have a fucking lot of ebuilds in and outside of portage and my CFLAGS are pretty optimized and solid.
But thanks anyway asshole. Go and use your stupid Debian while I EMERGE new ebuilds.
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Anonymous2009-03-11 4:25
>>10
Linux is *not* user friendly, and until it is linux will stay with >1% marketshare.
Take installation. Linux zealots are now saying "oh installing is so easy, just do apt-get install package or emerge package": Yes, because typing in "apt-get" or "emerge" makes so much more sense to new users than double-clicking an icon that says "setup".
Linux zealots are far too forgiving when judging the difficultly of Linux configuration issues and far too harsh when judging the difficulty of Windows configuration issues. Example comments:
User: "How do I get Quake 4 to run in Linux?"
Zealot: "Oh that's easy! If you have Feisty Fawn, you have to download quake_4_feisty_i686_060607_glibc.bin, then do chmod +x on the file. Then you have to su to root, make sure you type exportLD_ASSUME_KERNEL =2.2.5 but ONLY if you have the stock kernel installed. If you don't, don't set that environment variable or the installer will dump core. Before you run the installer, make sure you have the GL drivers for X installed. Get them at [some obscure web address], chmod +x the binary, then run it, but make sure you have at least 10MB free in /tmp or the installer will dump core. After the installer is done, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add a section called "GL" and put "driver nv" in it. Make sure you have the latest version of X and Linux kernel 2.6 or else X will segfault when you start. OK, run the Quake 4 installer and make sure you set the proper group and setuid permissions on quake4.bin. If you want sound, look here [link to another obscure web site], which is a short HOWTO on how to get sound in Quake 4. That's all there is to it!"
User: "How do I get Quake 4 to run in Windows?"
Zealot: "Oh God, I had to install Quake 4 in Windoze for some lamer friend of mine! God, what a fucking mess! I put in the CD and it took about 3 minutes to copy everything, and then I had to reboot the fucking computer! Jesus Christ! What a retarded operating system!"
So, I guess the point I'm trying to make is that what seems easy and natural to Linux geeks is definitely not what regular people consider easy and natural. Hence, the preference towards Windows.
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FrozenVoid2009-03-11 4:26
>>11
Gentoo doesn't need to compile them anymore.They come in binary Pentium686 optimized format.
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Anonymous2009-03-11 4:32
WINDOWS SUCKS BECAUSE
FLASH SUCKS, CYGWIN SUCKS, THE GUI's SUCK, EVERYTHING IS SLOWER THEN WHEN I HAD LINUX ON THE SAME MACHINE
WHAT THE FUCK I GOOGLE WINDOWS DRIVERS AND I GET FAT NERDS ON DISCUSSION BOARDS, GOD DAMN, WHERE IS IT
WHY DO I HAVE TO STUDY NETWORK SECURITY, WHATS WRONG WITH SHIPPING A SECURE SYSTEM, HALF THE TIME THE ANTIVIRUS FUCK UP THE SCAN ANYWAY AND I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK ON FIREWALL PERMISSIONS.
EVERYTIME YOU HAVE TO DO SO MUCH AS MOVE THE MOUSE YOU NEED THE ANTISPYWARE FOR IT. IT'S SO FUCKING ANNOYING, WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT NETWORK SECURITY, HOW IS THAT ANYMORE EASIER THEN SUPERIOR SECURED SYSTEMS. THERE'S A REASON LINUX IS SO AWESOME, THEY GOT OUT OF THE FUCKING 90'S WITH THEIR AWESOME, WELL DESIGNED ARCHITECTURE.
GOD DAMN GET OFF YOUR LAZY ASSES AND GET THIS SHIT FIXED
>>10 Linux is *not* user friendly, and until it is linux will stay with >1% marketshare
A lot of Linux users don't care Tm and are happy enough that we have a great OS without the need to preach to others. The only people who actually care about market share are people using windows, mac os x or ubuntu.
Oh great! My distro of choice has the 2-year-old mplayer rc-2 in their packaging system because the idiot who does it hasn't got a clue and doesn't know you're supposed to use the latest svn. Shame I want a feature that was implemented one year ago.
Windows: Download the latest binary from someone who compiles them. All done.
Linux:
apt-get blah blah blah whatever-dev library-dev dependency-dev blah compiler blah buildutils blah
svn co blah blah blah
- wait 20 minutes while you download 200MB of crap -
./configure --enable-niggers --fuck-RMS-in-the-ass --non-redistributable --non-retarded-defaults
./make
- wait 40 minutes, check build errors, repeat -
- and now just run the fucking thing from the build folder, because you don't fucking know where things are supposed to be installed in the retarded /usr/blah/bin/crap/shit mess, not to mention conflicts with the built-in package manager -
I can run Linux just fine, but I definitely choose not to. Likewise, I don't think a lot of mechanics enjoy building their own car. It just gets tiresome after a while, for absolutely nothing. These problems are not technical, they are social/cultural. Linux people just don't care.
Fuck Linux.
BTW the other day I saw some web server logs. Guess who were the majority of users using outdated versions of Firefox? (sub 2.0.0.20 for Fx2, sub 3.0.5 for Fx3) Yeah, that's right: Linux users. That's package management for you. Fucking faggots.
I can run Linux just fine, but I definitely choose not to. Likewise, I don't think a lot of mechanics enjoy building their own car. It just gets tiresome after a while, for absolutely nothing.
How would you know to type all that shit in? How is that easier then clicking a big next button a few times?
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FrozenVoid2009-03-11 15:11
>>24
Its hard to understand the logic behind this,but it simple.
1. wget ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/quake4/linux/quake4-linux-1.4.2.x86.run
downloads quake files through console(to current path)
2. sudo ./quake4-linux-1.4.2.x86.run
switch to admin rights to execute quake executable in current path
3. get the .pk4 files from the quake 4 cd or bittorent to /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base
another step: download level files for quake
4. quake4
play the game on linux.
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FrozenVoid2009-03-11 15:14
setup Wizards were invented for reason. Streamline installation.
The linux logic requires manually perform the same steps for any software: such things should be automated.
Some distros use package managers,but they are still behind window wizards.
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>>18
>The only people who actually care about market share are people using windows, mac os x or ubuntu.
i use ubuntu and i don't give a fuck about market share. And neitehr do most of the good users. The creators and enthusiasts only care about having a good basic OS. Even the ubuntu people say: "We don't need you, you or you so come or gtfo we don't give a shit because when you leave nothing of value was lost."
the drivers are included.
no, not really. at all. especially for wireless cards. I've tried linux on 5 diffrent laptops, some diffrent brands, and not one worked 'out of the box'. On one particular one, I tried looking for drivers for the wireless card but all I found was, basicly WHAT THE FUCK I GOOGLE LINUX DRIVERS AND I GET FAT NERDS ON DISCUSSION BOARDS, GOD DAMN, WHERE IS IT
Eventually I did come across a small source forge page with code for the exact card I have. The project was something like v0.1 and hasn't been updated since 2005. I tried to download and compile but the author fucked up the make file and made references to his own home folder and other shit. Since I don't waste my time with C++ and programming, I couldn't get the driver at all.
>>34
Laptop. Even if I could, why the hell should I buy a new wireless card that works perfectly fine with windows.
I tried the windows wireless thing too, I downloaded the extracter from the manufacturer's website, used wine to extract, and tried to find what exactly to add into it. It looks for .inf files, so I add the .inf files, one by freaking one, until it tells me I have the right one(why can't it automatically do that?). It still didn't work in the end.
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Anonymous2009-03-11 20:38
I'm tired of Linuxfags. "LINUX > WINDOWS 4EVRRRR"
Let's break it down:
Linux
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Pros:
- Free
- (very) Customizable
- A lot of free alternatives to commercial programs
- Decent interface
- ...
- ...
- Secure (to some extent)
- ...Free
Cons:
- Not ergonomic (to home users)
- Drivers for some hardware aren't fully "stable" (if made at all!)
- No games
- Linuxfags
- UI crashes (a lot)
- The only support you can get is from a "support" forum or knowledgebase
Windows
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Pros:
- A wide variety of commercial and free software
- Ergonomic
- Decent-looking UI (although it looks ripped from MacOS)
- GAEMZ
- Easy to solve common problems
- Fun to pirate
- Decent-to-great support
- NEATCOOL Media center shit (though I don't use it, myself)
- Usually no hardware compatibility error
Cons:
- Shit can fuck up a lot
- Can be slow
- Vista sucks more RAM than a hooker does cock
- much, much more
to conclude, I want to just want to ask "why are there so many Linux evangelists?"
I mean, really. Linux isn't that great. Why does it seem like Linuxfags want EVERYONE to use it? Especially fucking Ubuntu. It's not as great as they (try to) make it look.I installed that on my laptop and it ran slow as fuck; you wouldn't believe how pissed I was. And my laptop isn't that bad, tbh. imho, it should only be used as a server OS, lol.
It'll be fun to see how many of you rage at the above. GOGOGO.
>>36
Only one of your Windows pros is actually defensible, and you even managed to get one of the cons wrong. The Linux bit shows your ignorance.
Try actually using an OS before trying to comment on it, and use a few other ones to get a sense of perspective. As it is it's too obvious you've only used Windows, and then only superficially, and maybe spent fifteen minutes fucking with a Ubanto live CD.
If your post was entirely a deliberately crafter troll, I'd give it 4/10. It prompted me to reply, but I didn't really rage. The ignorance is there, but it's lacking in obnoxiousness.
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Anonymous2009-03-11 20:56
I've only seen one person in my entire life that uses linux as a primary OS. And even then he uses a VM for windows apps like outlook.
Linux just seems so useless as a desktop OS.
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Anonymous2009-03-11 21:06
>>39
I once knew someone that used FreeBSD as his primary OS, but he was a colossal nerd who obviously just liked to make things difficult for himself. Incredibly smart guy, but just not smart enough to use a proper OS like Windows 98.
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Anonymous2009-03-12 6:14
I once knew someone that used OS/2 as his primary OS. He was never heard from again.
Actually, no. I've used several distros; Debian, Gentoo, Ubuntu (when it first released(for a year), then the latest version months ago), Fedora (though the last one I used was FC5). I will admit it beats Windows in some aspects, but imo, Linux is simply *not* better than Windows.
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Anonymous2009-03-14 18:20
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Anonymous2009-03-14 20:26
>>51
Have you tired a BSD based OS yet? Linux (Or as the crazy RMS like to call "GNU/Linux") is not the only free software OS out there ya know.
>>60
It's better than what they had before, but no, it's not good.
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Anonymous2009-03-15 22:07
>>62
Speaking as a bash user and unix guru for over 20 years, I can honestly say that PowerShell is infinitely better than anything offered in the *nix world.
>>65
actually i have, and i'd take it over bash any day. but tcsh and zsh are both a lot better.
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Anonymous2009-03-15 22:35
>>65
actually i have, and i'd take it over bash any day. but tcsh and zsh are both a lot better.
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Anonymous2009-03-15 23:27
I thought PowerShell was really nice. The one thing I did not like was "The redirection operator '<' is not supported yet.", but other then that I liked it as much as bash for what I've been using it for.
In the interest of not desiring to crush a thousand skulls while using any Linux GUI elements, is there anything that looks like Windows classic? Plain, gray, sharp corners, no bulbous interface elements?
I'd love to use Linux, but it instills me with fury when I look at the shoddy interface elements. It's great for people who "feel" certain interface designs, but I simply want to use my god damn machine. Not have sex with the interface.
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Anonymous2009-03-16 0:26
In the interest of not desiring to crush a thousand skulls while using any Linux GUI elements, is there anything that looks like Windows classic? Plain, gray, sharp corners, no bulbous interface elements?
KDE can do that.
- Why the fuck is the Linux equivalent of the taskbar so god damn thick? It looks terrible!
- That system clock is fucking huge. WHY?
- The font, even though it's probably 10 point font, looks excessively large. I'd prefer Tahoma or Courier New or some open equivalent that doesn't look so much bigger than it should.
- Things in the status bar .. not properly centered and no visible segmentation? This is quite a pain for me.
Just general stuff like this. It's mostly about appearance, I guess. Even if things are the same exact size pixel-wise as their Windows equivalents, they STILL look bulbous, large, and disgusting. I can't explain how this works, but it's a major turn-off as someone that cannot stand anything other than plain, simple, crisp, concise things.
It seems like one or more of the above can be fixed, judging by some screenshots I've seen, but it's really.. why do Linux folk suck so badly at creating a good-looking simple interface? Microsoft has been doing it pretty well since 3.1/NT, minus the whole Aero/Luna thing. Luna is the worst atrocity known to man. Ever.
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Anonymous2009-03-16 1:30
- Why the fuck is the Linux equivalent of the taskbar so god damn thick? It looks terrible!
you can make it as thick or as thin as you want.
- That system clock is fucking huge. WHY?
you can make it as large or as small as you want
- The font, even though it's probably 10 point font, looks excessively large. I'd prefer Tahoma or Courier New or some open equivalent that doesn't look so much bigger than it should.
you can use whatever font you want.
- Things in the status bar .. not properly centered and no visible segmentation? This is quite a pain for me.
what? you want the status bar to be in the middle of the taskbar thing? that seems kinda silly, but you can do that if you want. and it's not very hard to have it put separators between things.
It seems like one or more of the above can be fixed, judging by some screenshots I've seen, but it's really.. why do Linux folk suck so badly at creating a good-looking simple interface? Microsoft has been doing it pretty well since 3.1/NT, minus the whole Aero/Luna thing. Luna is the worst atrocity known to man. Ever.
stop blaming other people for the shit you create.
Oh great idea linux neckbeards. If someone doesn't like something THEY can fix it themselves and spend days configuring it to look how it should out of the box- because customizability and modularity at the expense of the user is a great idea to increase that market share you so highly crave right? Get the fuck over your little traditions stagnated from the eighties and use your combined man power to actually do something productive that people will be appreciative of. Oh wait, let me guess- if I want a version of linux for the end user I can make it myself?
>>79
oh great idea macfags. if someone configures something poorly and puts a screenshot of it on the internet, they assume it looks like that out of the box.
>>82
It looks like fucking shit out of the box, don't kid yourself. Do you use it out of the box; or know anyone remotely intelligent who does? If ever I install a new linux, reformat or whatever that shit needs to be configured worse than a C makefile before I will even think about using it for work and/or play. I do NOT and I'll repeat that. I do NOT ever feel the need to configure or change anything about the default Vista theme, in XP I will change to classic theme but fuck you if you think that counts as configuring.
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Anonymous2009-03-16 3:00
>>84
did you even look at that screenshot? "Obvious separation" and "Centered nicely", just like in the one you posted.
and changing the theme in firefox is the same on any os.
stop blaming the os for how bad firefox looks when firefox uses its own theme engine and looks the same on every os.
>>85 >>84 and >>79 are my only posts in this thread.
If you couldn't tell, I wasn't talking about how firefox looks. I was talking about linux in general, the clunky empty shell-with-nothing-inside kind of feel you get when you are using it, with obnoxiously large buttons and curves everywhere that were probably put there by the encryption library programmer who though "OMG BEZIER CURVE, IF I PUT THEM EVERYWHERE IT WILL MAKE LINUX LOOK LIKE SEX AND BEAUTY!! THEN IF WE DONT PROVIDE A STANDARD INTERFACE BUT MAKE EVERYTHING ELSE TRY TO GLUE ITSELF TOGETHER WITH HIDEOUSLY UNCONFORMING SELF CHOSEN LOOKS THEN PEOPLE WILL HAVE CONTROL OVER WHAT THEIR PROGRAMS LOOK LIKE!! HOW COOL I WOULD LOVE THAT FOR MY ENCYPTION LIBRARY GUI."
>>86
You have the option to stop installing KDE apps on a GNOME desktop and vice versa if you're that concerned about consistency. Or you could just realize there are maybe two or three toolkits that you can configure and fucking configure them to look like you want them to look (or not, since they're obviously perfectly fine to anyone not desperately looking for something to criticize).
Are you also going to claim Windows is broken because Java's Swing doesn't look like anything like the ``standard'' Windows look-and-feel?
>>88 PIG DISGUSTING. That does not look like Windows at all. Sure, it may have the colors, but the sharpness and conciseness is not there. It looks like a slipshod hack at best. Saying that screenshot is like Windows is like saying a kid with obvious Downs is just like yourself, which is probably not the case.
>>87
It's not desperately looking to criticize something. The interface is the most important part of the OS, in case you just missed the last 15 years. I don't like nonsense in my interface, unlike most. It's not a matter of "learning to like it," it simply makes me unhappy to use such an interface. I do not want to and will not deal with a nonsense interface.
If there are so many nonsense interfaces already done, why is it so difficult to provide one without nonsense? I don't see what's happening here, unless >>86 is correct and every user is some encryption library programmer that has a thing for curves.
Last time I played with uhh... Fedora Core 4, I couldn't do shit with the interface. I imagine that countless improvements have been made both to the OS and interface engine. I was simply looking to see if there was a way to get what I wanted out of it without actually having to put up with the interface to figure it out.
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Anonymous2009-03-17 6:26
linux needs to stay on servers until they make it a bit more user friendly and stop advertising it as a desktop os for productivity.
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Anonymous2009-03-17 6:59
>>94
Nice, fractal troll. Should work on both people who've used Linux in the past five years and people who understand anything about markets. 5/10.
>>93
The reason nobody's taking you seriously is because you're complaining about graphical user interfaces and then holding up Windows as an OS that ``did it right''. You're a troll, and idiot, or both.
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FrozenVoid2009-03-17 7:13
>>96
The only OS with better interface is MacOSX.
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Anonymous2009-03-17 7:44
I'm convinced that nothing will ever top the "Windows Classic Style" in Windows XP. It's just so... functional. It doesn't mess around, it doesn't get in the way.
I just love it
Microsoft spends millions and years to polish interface design.
Linux “GUI design” is made by some neckbeard in dark basement on a spare time from coding buggy C++ apps.
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>>96
Actually, if you'll look, I said that I detest both Aero and Luna. I don't see why you wouldn't take me seriously just because I used the name Windows. I think OSX looks like shit too, if that helps any.
Guess a person can't like anything from Windows without being an idiot and/or a troll. Superb.
Also, for someone who can't use real quotes, I find it interesting that you would claim I am some combination of an idiot and a troll.