there's no drivers. even if there is you have to compile them
middle click and anything beyond it like extra mouse buttons is all fucked up
if you want to do anything beyond word processing, it's all text based shit, I though we evolved past that with guis and the mouse
sound is fucked up
why do you have to have a password and and file permission shit. this isn't a server
no codecs
sucks with flash and any other embeded content(including java)
when a program crashes you have to restart xorg when you dont find it in top.
linux's server-like shit bugs me. it's like a big hack job so you can run it all on one computer
it boots slow. vista is faster then this shit
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Anonymous2009-01-04 2:13
RMS can suck my balls.
As long as I live I'll never use GPL'd software. Even if I didn't wholeheartedly disagree with their entire philosophy, I still wouldn't use it, if not for the simple fact that almost all GPL'd code is shite.
Thousands of monkeys who aren't good enough to get jobs where they get paid to write code are the people making GPL software. Yeah, they're so bad at code that they decide to write it for free. And of course there's no such thing as standards, or design. It's entirely "Hack it until it works!". You have 50,000 subpar programmers each hacking the application to put their little pet features into it.
Face it guys, it's never going to work in the long run. The only reason it's gotten this far is simply because you have thousands of monkeys working on it at once, simply to make up for the fact that it takes 50x longer to do anything in GPL'd software than in properly architected designs.
Think about this. Why does Open Office suck so badly? Because word processing is BORING as hell. NO ONE wakes up and says "OH BOY! I THINK I'LL MAKE A WORD PROCESSOR TODAY!". The ONLY motivation an OO developer has is "I'M GONNA FUCKING KILL MICROSOFT TODAY. CRY HAVOK AND LET LOOSE THE DOGS OF WAR. YOU WILL RUE THE DAY YOU EVER MADE SOFTWARE, MICRO$OFT! YES! I USED A DOLLAR SIGN INSTEAD OF AN 'S', SEE HOW CLEVERLY CLEVER I AM?! YOU ARE NO MATCH FOR MY WITS, BILL GATES!!!!". So you get a whole bunch of loonies, working for free, whose only purpose is to piss off Microsoft, and none of them can possibly say they actually enjoy what they're working on.
Meanwhile, Microsoft is out there going "Gosh, we need money. Let's make some new features. And pay our devs money, because hey, no one would possibly be dumb enough to want to make a word processor for free.".
I so totally forgot where I was going with this. Bottom line, Fuck RMS. Fuck him up his stupid ass.
>>37
It's cute when you get your first trolling kit, but try not to make it so obvious. You'll be out of diapers soon, big guy.
I don't see how a commandline where you have to go out of your way to learn all the options is more intuitive than having all of your options presented to you. I guess we all just can't keep up with your massive brain, diaper-wearing overlord.
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Anonymous2009-01-04 2:26
>>40
are you honestly telling me you've never heard of ed?
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Anonymous2009-01-04 2:27
>>41
Sun pays people for OOo development, not that that makes it suck any less but it does throw a wrench into your little rant.
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Anonymous2009-01-04 2:34
>>42 IM BEEN TROLT!
Nice try, guy. It's more intuitive because if you're looking to do something, you probably know what it is, right? Otherwise you wouldn't be looking to do it. So what do you want to do? Type it and be done, or hunt through endless menus and rows of cryptic icons whose use is not necessarilly clear?
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Anonymous2009-01-04 2:39
Visual Studio isn't free,
wat
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Anonymous2009-01-04 2:53
It's really about low self esteem. Most of you anti-linux windows users on this thread are probably considered by your parents and friends to be 'savvy' with computers. You can overclock your cpu, upgrade your ram, install games, etc.
So, one day you hear about linux and decide to give it a try. You should be able to handle it, because you're they guy that mom comes to when her windows machine breaks. Maybe the install goes well, and you feel pretty good about yourself. Then you run into some simple problem. Maybe you can't figure out how to install software because download.com doesn't have a linux section. You can install software on windows, you can't on linux, so you're driven to the conclusion that linux is inferior, ignoring the fact you've been windows for a decade or more and linux only for a few hours/days.
But it's not just that you can't learn, or handle change-- you can't handle the fact that there's an entire group of individuals who are better at computers than you are.
They understand the hardware better, they understand the basic principles of computer science better, they know how networks work better than you. They understand the pros and cons of filesystems (including ntfs) because on linux, you get to choose FS's; they understand the principles behind operating system design because they run into phrases like "microkernel" and "monolithic kernels"; they can probably program, too, since learning a scripting language vastly improves productivity on linux (and this really pisses you off, since programming was one thing you always failed at on windows.) Oh, and they probably know windows better than you, since most advanced linux users these days are ex-windows users who managed to learn linux years ago, when it was much less user friendly.
At this point, a confident individual would admit to himself he has a lot to learn about linux and computers in general. But since you lack the self esteem to do that, you run back to windows, install farcry (or whatever) and keep repeating to yourself "at least I can run games. at least I can run games."
If you're looking for a job, all this hits you even harder, because you realize a lot of the jobs require linux in one way or another. Even many of the windows related jobs recommend linux! At this point, you rationalize "well the only thing I know is windows, so I must be a windows expert!" as if knowing only one thing makes you an automatic expert, or that learning linux forces you to forget windows entirely.
Then you find out, you didn't know windows that well, either. Active Directory? Group Policy? Kerberos? What's that? So what now? You're out of school, you thought you were a hotshot because you were able to reinstall norton antivirus on your mom's computer, and you suddenly realize: that same unwillingness to learn linux has basically pigeonholed you into a low-level windows help desk position! You end up all pissed off because you spend all day changing toner cartridges, clicking on icons you've clicked on thousands of times before, and rebooting unpatched windows xp machines for secretaries and data entry people (who hate your guts btw).
>>48
and when you can't handle someone telling you that "you're no good" at the only thing you can take pride in, you result to one line insults. you hope people won't take 2 seconds to use google and find out it's not kopipe.
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Anonymous2009-01-04 3:38
>>49
I took that to mean precious future kopipe. And I agree.
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Anonymous2009-01-04 3:45
>>1
yes,
this is why BSD is superior & always will be
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Anonymous2009-01-04 3:47
>>49
I'm currently waiting for somebody else to refute your post. Please bear with me
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Anonymous2009-01-04 4:02
>>45
[QUOTE]It's more intuitive because if you're looking to do something, you probably know what it is, right? Otherwise you wouldn't be looking to do it. So what do you want to do? Type it and be done, or hunt through endless menus and rows of cryptic icons whose use is not necessarilly clear?[/QUOTE]That might work fine for simple stuff, but lots of needs are complicated. You only know the features of programs that are documented.
In the case of command line, you have potentially large pages of information as complexity increases. You must take the time out to read all the options, sometimes you have to scan through multiple pages just to find one switch.
In the case of an effective GUI, all the options are clearly labeled with no iconic shortcuts (This has been around for ever in Microsoft products, I think it's a pretty shitty mechanism myself). Saying that the icons are all cryptic is trolling at best. With the GUI, you require no additional documentation because your options are seen in a quick and effective manner.
For example, command line commits are a fucking pain in the ass for SVN. With Tortoise, I can right click the local repository, click commit, check the files I want instead of having to command line the bitches, add my message in a nice box, and then hit OK. And it does the rest for me.
The fact that I'd have to write a script to do that using command line and it wouldn't be as effective because of the ambiguous nature of changed files WITHOUT A GUI means that productivity goes way down when you use the command line in this instance.
As your needs grow in complexity, so do the command line responses unless you write programs to whisk away control from you, which is the point of the command line in the first place, isn't it?
>>47
I'm exactly like that except I figured out about the software and installing programs and learning command line operations. Linux still sucks though for a home OS.
Linux is just too advanced for most people. The concept of having control over their computer overwhelms them to the point of hating it. Thus, people stick with Windows and simply expect to reinstall at least once a year.
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Anonymous2009-01-04 12:20
>>69
Dark days are over, you can control windows too now.
And its graphical subsystem is not slow as fuck or ugly as hell.
And you can run games without having to fuck around with wine.
Stupid/lazy people can use linux once it has been set up for them.
Smart/interested people can both set up and use linux (better than windows).
As for all those complaining about lack of GUI, take a second look; there are plenty of GUI solutions for linux, including graphical installers, graphical theming applications, music players, word processors, ftp and ssh applications, etc. If you're to lazy to learn command line, your shiny buttons are right there, ready to be themed to your heart's content.
>>73
This is what Linux users actually believe. God forbid that people as smart as you choose Windows. Clearly, everyone that chooses Windows is inferior. Smart people also use the correct form of "to" in sentences such as "If you're to lazy to learn [...]"
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Anonymous2009-01-04 19:26
>>53
I sense we have a metatrolling CLIfag on our hands.
With the GUI, you require no additional documentation because your options are seen in a quick and effective manner.
No one who uses a lot of GUI programs could say this with a straight face. Regular people can't even figure out how to save files in MS Office.
As your needs grow in complexity, so do the command line responses unless you write programs to whisk away control from you, which is the point of the command line in the first place, isn't it?
Correct. In a GUI, all tasks are performed by hand in a "what you do is what you get" fashion. At the command line, you request that a task be performed and it is performed. The point of a command-line interface is to let the computer do the hard work.
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Anonymous2009-01-04 20:04
>The point of a command-line interface is to let the computer do the hard work.
No the point of a CLI is so the programmer can do as little work as possible.