but i'm only saying that because i love vim so that love brushes off onto vi because it is POSIX and present on all systems i use, emacs is superior but it also packs a lot of shit that would never make it a posix compliant editor
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Anonymous2008-10-30 5:07
viper mode for emacs, anyone?
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Anonymous2008-10-30 5:30
Textmate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textmate # Large (many megabyte) files can slow TextMate considerably. Other editors have better support for large files.
also, License Proprietary
>>10
ex-vi > nvi > levee > elvis > se > ed > gnu ed > freedos edlin > mg > vim > emacs
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Anonymous2008-10-30 5:47
>>12
Enjoy your freedom to edit huge files with cumbersome freewares while the rest of the world gets actual shit done.
>>13
Enjoy your dicking about with a toy one-button mouse waiting for your editor because the idiots in India don't think it's a bad idea to put 80MB of code in one file while the rest of the world gets actual shit done.
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Anonymous2008-10-30 7:12
>>14
My two quad-cores do not make me wait at all. Enjoy your Dell.
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Anonymous2008-10-30 7:35
>>15
newsflash, dell has multicore and multicpu systems too
if you really want to get hardcore, dell precision has a rack mounted workstation, a fucking monster like most of the precision systems
and yes, i work dell enterprise support, i am biased as hell
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Anonymous2008-10-30 7:55
>>16
Enjoy your displays, that's the only stuff you guys do right.
>>15
My 8-core IBM server doesn't make me wait at all either.
And unlike your Mac, it doesn't rape me in the ass.
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Anonymous2008-10-30 9:21
>>18
If you're still talking about textmate, it would choke on it no matter the computer specs. I tried to open a big sql dump with it recently, to see how slow it would be (quite).
Some modern editors are not meant for large files. That's not a reason not to use them for normal work, it's always possible to switch to a specialized editor meant for huge files when necessary.
Anyway, when editing huge text data files the first choice pretty much always involves awk and sed. Those are really worth learning, unlike 70'S FREEWARES that are a royal pain to fit in a modern workflow and to use with a one-button mouse.
Anyway, when editing huge text data files the first choice pretty much always involves awk and sed. Those are really worth learning, unlike 70'S FREEWARES that are a royal pain to fit in a modern workflow and to use with a one-button mouse. http://www.morphine.com/blog/?p=29
and ex is worth learning, too, since it's an enhanced version of ed. and once you've learned ex, learning vi is trivial.
also, your "modern" workflow is stuck in the 90s. ditch the mouse. just using the keyboard is a lot more efficient.
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Anonymous2008-10-30 10:28
also, your "modern" workflow is stuck in the 90s. ditch the mouse. just using the keyboard is a lot more efficient.
Agreed 100%.
Switching between the mouse and keyboard consumes quite a bit of time, not to mention it gets tiring after a while. I've found that even reaching for the arrow keys is tiresome compared to hjkl.
I've developed this sort of habit where I instinctively type ^[:wi every 10 minutes or so.
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Anonymous2008-10-30 11:04
>>22
I have a little trouble using Photoshop with only the keyboard.
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Anonymous2008-10-30 11:13
learning vi is trivial.
Memorizing a large amount of trivia is never trivial. It's just like the Dvorak layout: nerdy NEETs love them only because they require a long initial commitment, so they can show off their skills at using something that looks alien and unusable to their less nerdy friends. Just kidding, they have none.
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Anonymous2008-10-30 12:30
>>24
Well duh. Graphics are supposed to be edited graphically, and text, textually.
Though a command line in Photoshop would be awesome. Instead of fidgeting with the mouse while watching the coordinates to get it exactly right, just type "300 400 cursorto".
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Anonymous2008-10-30 12:39
>>23
If you're spending most of your time in insert mode you're using vi wrong.
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Anonymous2008-10-30 14:07
>>23 Switching between the mouse and keyboard consumes quite a bit of time
Somehow, I doubt that.
>>27
You mean to say that vi is useless for actually writing things? I agree.
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Anonymous2008-10-30 15:32
>>26
Oh hi the 1970s called and wanted their TURTLE GRAPHICS back. Also every serious technical drawing package ever.
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Anonymous2008-10-30 15:46
>>26
If you're spending most of your time in mouse mode you're using photoshop wrong.
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Anonymous2008-10-30 16:48
>>30
Not really. It has always been intended to be used with one hand on the keyboard and one on the stylus or mouse. That's why they make as many commands as possible use only one keystroke.
The great thing about Emacs is that if your keyboard doesn't use a vanilla US layout, many of the command sequences are physically impossible to execute. It also uses raw scancodes or some such bullshit technique so that the keys you actually have to press are not the keys it says you should press. Everybody else fixed their software fifteen years ago, but since Der Stallmann is such a useless fucking cunt Emacs is, and will always be, stuck in the stoneage.
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Anonymous2008-10-31 5:26
The great thing about Emacs is that if your keyboard doesn't use a vanilla US layout, many of the command sequences are physically impossible to execute. It also uses raw scancodes or some such bullshit technique so that the keys you actually have to press are not the keys it says you should press. Everybody else fixed their software fifteen years ago, but since Der Stallmann is such a useless fucking cunt Emacs is, and will always be, stuck in the stoneage.
Wow, a non-free license, lots of GNU bloat, and Anonix faggotry! What an unusual combination!
>>48 The great thing about Emacs is that if your keyboard doesn't use a vanilla US layout, you can still find the commands you need because they're mostly mnemonic by default instead of hjkl bullshit.
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Anonymous2008-10-31 10:23
>>47
Some of us can actually type, and thus don't have to worry about that.
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Anonymous2008-10-31 10:24
The great thing about Textmate is that you can always find the commands with a DROP-DOWN MENU. It's like the future is now guys.
Actually I think Emacs is the exact opposite of Anonix principles.
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Anonymous2008-10-31 10:40
TextMate is for Mac OS X, so you won't be doing any serious programming anyway. HAHA suckers, enjoy your Ruby and C Sharp!
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Anonymous2008-10-31 11:30
Have fun developing Cocoa applications on Mac OS X, which you will charge $10 for because all Mac OS X developers are greedy fucktards who charage $10 for the simplest of applications. Also have fun using Objective C which is the shittiest language ever created and Mac OS X developers love it because Steve Jobs tells them to.
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Anonymous2008-10-31 11:37
>>56
I will, because Mac users are so dumb they will pay $10 for GUI wrappers around open source software. You enjoy your Anonix.
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Anonymous2008-10-31 12:41
>>56
I only charge $9.95 and I will choose to take "simple" as a compliment. Having features and more than one or two checkboxes in your preference pane means that you didn't think hard enough about the problem you are trying to solve. And when my development cycle is inferior to twenty hours for v1.0, I tend to sell them for $4.95 only instead.
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Anonymous2008-10-31 12:43
Shareware is still around because of Mac OS X. Honestly I can't remember the last time I saw a shareware app for Windows.
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Anonymous2008-10-31 13:17
>>59
Shwareware is necessary because Mac users would never let their computers get soiled with adware. If one were ever released, they would find the developer, go to his home, tie their turtlenecks together to make a rope, use that rope to lynch the developer, then go celebrate at Starbucks by using their wi-fi to make a commemorative post in their blogs.
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Anonymous2008-10-31 15:59
>>53
Menus are UI nightmares. The more useful commands a program has, the worse they get. Good move, guys. Now you can make good software xor have a passable UI. Best part of OS X: all apps have menu bars. Oops.
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Anonymous2008-10-31 16:55
>>61
1. Start with a plausible but unproven statement [citation needed]
2. Follow said statement with a logically sound expansion
3. Filler episode, zero content
4. A MIRACLE HAPPENS
5. Mindless OS X bashing based on #4
The opinions that you clicked I tried it a while looking for a couple years ever since I turned around and ran my original Lisp interpreter inside it Then I started when I was able to pass the time writing a filksong This meant I was stuck in the program not what they look like.