Does anybody know a 4chan-like forum where I can post cracked software? I cracked for the first time a commercial application, uploaded it to Rapidshare and now I don't know where to post it.
I don't find a place for this stuff, not even in darknets like Tor or I2P. Most forums either consider this off-topic or explicitly prohibit illegal material.
Where can I post cracks?
Thanks.
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Anonymous2008-10-03 0:20
rechan
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Anonymous2008-10-03 0:33
Yeah, Rechan is a good place
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Anonymous2008-10-03 0:35
>>2
Thanks, but rechan is down. I followed the links on the main page, but they go to hentai sites.
The rules say "Do not upload, post, discuss, request, or link to, anything that violates local or United States law. This will be severely punished and strictly enforced."
If you want to have it on bullshit crack sites, see http://download-crack-serial.com/upload/ etc
If you want it on torrents/warez forums, find those communities and post it there.
If you want to have distribution done for you and want some interaction, join a web group: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_warez_groups#WWW_Crackteams
If you want to have it in the scene... good luck. You have to convince a group that you are skilled and can be trusted. The scene is a loosely connected network of private irc channels and ftp servers; everything is based on an informal web of trust, it's all about who you know.
Here's how I went personally:
2 months on the warez forum projectw.org, stopped because it's crap.
1 year web group, stopped because the group got involved in carding which is both insecure and IMHO unethical because of chargeback fees.
8 months in scene group, still going. Got in because a guy I met on a forum and did some project with was in it and vouched for me.
The scene is a loosely connected network of private irc channels and ftp servers;
What load of bullshit.
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Anonymous2008-10-03 13:59
>>33
I fucking hate The Scene. They're a bunch of elitist retards who keep on using idiotic methods of distribution just because they're the "Unwritten Informal Rules of God." Stop splitting things in tiny rars and then put them in zips inside of rars inside of tar.gzs inside of rars. Stop wasting time on making ASCII art in fonts no one has anymore. Stop using your FTPs with rules from 15 years ago. You don't need "couriers," "pre-channels" or "topsites", just fucking torrent it. What the fuck is your problem? There are plenty of ultra-cool supah sekrit private trackers you can use to make your releases if you feel public ones are not "underground" enough for you.
You're not doing it for "quality." Your average "non-scene" Blackcats game or your average "non-scene" what.cd FLAC torrent are of equal or better quality than "scene" releases. I remember that recently, a DS game (was it Final Fantasy IV? I can't remember) was released first by someone "who didn't belong to the scene." The "scene" release showed up several hours later and it ended up being a bad dump. What happened, did you accidentally jizzed all over your DS while you were dumping the cart just thinking about how all the eProps your buddies were going to give you for dumping a high profile game for their glory? And why did you feel the need to make a dupe of something someone else had already dumped? Just because it's missing a cool "-L33TKiDZ" tag on the filename, that doesn't mean you need to dupe it, asshole.
Stop clinging to obsolete formats that no one else uses. Really, who the hell wants to download 1G of Xvid? If I'm downloading a goddamned HD show, maybe I have what it takes to play h.264?
They should learn a couple of things from the anime fansubbing scene. Anyone can start a group. If a group sucks, natural selection will take care of them, because the channels of communication that allow people to are there. All groups are given equal chances. They have simple methods of distribution (XDCC + torrent), always jump on new, more efficient technologies and generally don't have dumb hierarchies.
In the meanwhile, "The Scene" is stuck in the 80s with their obsolete technology and "Secret Handshake Club No Girls Allowed" Elementary School bullshit.
>>34
You're just jealous because you haven't paid enough to be invited into Xarn's secret lair of h4x like me.
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Anonymous2008-10-03 14:35
>>38
I don't particularly care about getting into their secret areas of h4x, I don't even play recent games. It just annoys me when their bullshit leaks into torrent sites whose staff proceeds to fellate them as they enforce dumb rules on their users.
er, I mean, while I highly respect members of the scene for what they've done for the general public (and the damage they've dealt to imaginary property motherfuckers), I think I generally agree with the point of >>34 that the scene should move on to newer methods and technologies, and that the anime community is an example of quick adoption and natural selection (though they too are prone to duplicate efforts). For example, I'm happy with how awesome technologies such as Matroska are quickly adopted by them simply on the basis that they're the state of the art.
My problem with The Scene is its secrecy. I don't know any topsite.
Why so much secrecy? Years ago it made sense because it wasn't easy to be anonymous, but today, with Freenet, Tor, I2P et al you can set up an anonymous topsite on one of those darknets, and you will never have a legal problem.
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Anonymous2008-10-03 20:19
It's easy to find one of the main scene IRC networks as long as you're into darknets.
Please, >>34,44. I rather think that any group, gathering or classification of people predisposed to build a cargo cult around split rar archives do not deserve to have their denomination capitalized.
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Anonymous2008-10-03 22:02
>>34 Stop splitting things in tiny rars
Splitting is great for concurrent distribution and integrity checking. Using rars is a simple and effective way to do this which works well with all FTP servers (and most other systems).
rars inside of zips
Yes this is a bit stupid in 0day, but nobody cares enough to change it.
Stop wasting time on making ASCII art
It's a completely harmless tradition.
just fucking torrent it
Torrents are inherently insecure because everbody knows everybody. Also the peer-to-peer aspect doesn't match the semi-centralized big fast server part of the scene.
You're not doing it for "quality."
Quality is important in the scene, which is why there is the nuke system to enforce it. Sure there are other sources with good quality, but it shouldn't be a problem to co-exist.
Stop clinging to obsolete formats that no one else uses.
You are flat wrong here. x264 rips in mkv containers have been consistently released for almost 2 years. However the continuing popularity of xvid rips shows that xvid is far from obsolete.
So what it boils down to is that you don't like the "secret club" stuff. Whatever.
It's secret because busts do happen from time to time. It's a club because it doesn't scale.
>>38 torrent sites whose staff proceeds to fellate them
Indeed those staffs are idiots.
>>47 Splitting is great for concurrent distribution and integrity checking.
If only we had something that took care of that at the protocol level. Oh wait.
Splitting stuff into tiny RARs is a great way to waste people's time by invalidating an entire download when one of the archives is missing or corrupted. BitTorrent works around that seamlessly.
Torrents are inherently insecure because everbody knows everybody.
Oh noes, my computer is broadcasting an IP address!
Also the peer-to-peer aspect doesn't match the semi-centralized big fast server part of the scene.
And that's a good thing. See also:
It's secret because busts do happen from time to time. It's a club because it doesn't scale.
Busts are much less of a problem with torrents, because the whole network is never threatened. Scaling isn't an issue.
Ignorant apologist.
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Anonymous2008-10-03 22:49
ITT we wish we were cool cyber hackers
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Anonymous2008-10-03 23:03
>>45
Can you just post some sites or IRC server/chats in the Darknets where The Scene can be found?
>>49
What's the advantage of being part of The Scene? Is it just the speed you can download a movie? I'm not in a hurry to download anything. I use Azureus with Tor and it's not the fastest but I don't have to worry about cease and desist letters.
What I also don't like about The Scene is that you don't know what the cracked software you are getting is doing. Is it so difficult to include in the zip the asm file from the disassembler and then a diff file between the cracked asm and the original one?
>>53
Is it so difficult to download the original software from the original source, make your own diff, and disassemble it yourfuckingself?
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Anonymous2008-10-04 0:02
>>53-54
I mean, is it so difficult to have some comments in the diff too? What I find interesting about cracking software is that you are making something that is close more open.
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Anonymous2008-10-04 0:07
I use Azureus with Tor and it's not the fastest but I don't have to worry about cease and desist letters.
I'd gladly ban you from the Tor network forever. You and those like you are the primary force that slows Tor down to unacceptable speeds.
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Anonymous2008-10-04 0:14
>>53-54
I mean, is it so difficult to have some comments in the diff too? What I find interesting about cracking software is that you are making something that is close more open.
>>57
Don't be silly. Crackers don't do it because for principles or because it's an interesting challenge. They do it simply because they enjoy the attention.
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Anonymous2008-10-04 0:34
>>53-54
I mean, is it so difficult to have some comments in the diff too? What I find interesting about cracking software is that you are making something that is close more open.
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Anonymous2008-10-04 1:40
The whole "scene" reminds me of 13-year-olds and their inflated egos.
Why can't crackers act more professionally? From what I've seen, only some of the Chinese ones are more of a "crack to understand and open" type, probably from their communist heritage.
>>47 Splitting is great for concurrent distribution and integrity checking. Using rars is a simple and effective way to do this which works well with all FTP servers (and most other systems).
That may be true. So split with rar -v20m or whatever, but that's it. There's no need to split all in 1 MB files, add .nfo files on each, then zip them together, then split them again in 20 MB files with 7-Zip with more .nfo files, then tar+gz each one, then add some more .nfo files.
It's a completely harmless tradition.
I agree about ASCII art, it's harmless. The anime scene could use SJIS art too.
Torrents are inherently insecure because everbody knows everybody.
But they scale, and I believe there were some extensions to the protocol to make it harder to detect or eavesdrop.
Also the peer-to-peer aspect doesn't match the semi-centralized big fast server part of the scene.
Which is a bad thing because that doesn't scale. No matter how fast and fat your wires are, you're not going to be able to serve your files to just everyone. And the larger you become, the easier you are to detect. I suppose it's much easier to go unnoticed in a community of file sharers if you're just "85.42.110.75" with a cable line than if you're "The fat nerd's 1 Gbps warez dump" and pay good bucks a month for that upload capacity.
the continuing popularity of xvid rips shows that xvid is far from obsolete.
IMO a technology is not obsolete because nobody uses it, it's obsolete whenever there's something much better available.
>>50
hello im fairX the haxxor join my community of hackers if you payme enough i will give you access to a private area of haxx ;)
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Anonymous2008-10-04 7:00
>>63 "The fat nerd's 1 Gbps warez dump" and pay good bucks a month for that upload capacity.
I think those are usually hacked boxes on University networks and so.
At least the more public ones.
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Anonymous2008-10-04 8:38
>>63
But what if I'm using a 2400 bps modem, or want to save each rar onto a 1.44 MB floppy disk and carry it around or mail to someone? Who's laughing then, huh?
If only we had something that took care of that at the protocol level OMG I never knew!
Yes, rars work around a limitation of the FTP protocol. The advantage of using FTP and not a hypothetical FTP++ is that there is that there are loads of FTP servers and programs and nothing FTP++. Just like IPv4 vs IPv6 it's easier to extend the current system in a suboptimal but compatible way than to switch to the slightly better but less supported and incompatible one.
invalidating an entire download
Bullshit.
[ rars inside of zips suck, split too small etc ]
Historical reasons, nobody cares.
Anyway, I don't see the point in nitpicking about transfer/packing protocols in the scene. It really doesn't matter that much.
Busts are much less of a problem with torrents, because the whole network is never threatened.
Bullshit again. Torrents rely on central trackers and are thus much more brittle. If one topsite is taken down, the network just loses a node and works around it. Also...
Oh noes, my computer is broadcasting an IP address! easier to go unnoticed in a community of file sharers if you're just "85.42.110.75"
That's true if you're Joe Schmoe downloading a movie, but it's less desirable if you're some group releasing stuff that pisses off the MPAA/RIAA/BSA etc and eventually the police/FBI/whatever.
If you don't have much safety in numbers, it's a good idea to take real security measures (web of trust, proxies, encryption).
some extensions to the protocol to make it harder to detect or eavesdrop
That only protects from passive listeners. Everybody can ask the tracker for all IP's.
What's the advantage of being part of The Scene? Is it just the speed [..]?
Of course that is an advantage, for some people maybe the main advantage. But for me the main advantage is that I can crack stuff (and I do that as a hobby for the challenge >>58), get it tested and released and never worry if big company X will send its lawyers.
Though I'll admit that I get a kick from seeing it spread everywhere and being part of a secret club.
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Anonymous2008-10-04 9:13
>>64
That's the FXP scene, generally frowned upon by the scene because it's insecure as fuck.
>>67 Yes, rars work around a limitation of the FTP protocol. The advantage of using FTP and not a hypothetical FTP++ blah blah blah
The protocol that takes care of that already exists. It's BitTorrent.
I can assure you that nowadays, more people have BitTorrent clients than FTP clients.
>>71
With torrents, you connect to the tracker, get everyone's IP addresses and proceed to exchange data with them.
In the scene, everyone knows only a small number of topsites. Data is spread by copying it from one site you know to another you know. Nobody sees further than one step.
>>72
Then release torrents in Secret Trackers Of Scene Quality first and let things flow from there. It's just a matter of replacing "secret FTPs only the cool kids know about" with "secret trackers only the cool kids know about."
No one's saying you should start releasing 0day on The Pirate Bay. Turn topsites into private trackers, keep them equally secret and your "security concerns" are gone.
Or are you going to claim FTP is secure?
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Anonymous2008-10-04 12:51
>>72
Just use BitTorrent with Tor as a middle server.
Pros:
1. BitTorrent scales.
2. Anonymized, so no problems about being caught by the MPAA/RIAA/BSA.
3. Being a middle server you get actually more anonymity because traffic analysis becomes more difficult.
4. You contribute to others' anonymity.
Cons:
1. You are not anymore a too-cool-for-school Scener that can be proud of sharing privileged information.
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Anonymous2008-10-04 12:52
>>72
Just use BitTorrent with Tor as a middle server.
Pros:
1. BitTorrent scales.
2. Anonymized, so no problems about being caught by the MPAA/RIAA/BSA.
3. Being a middle server you get actually more anonymity because traffic analysis becomes more difficult.
4. You contribute to others' anonymity.
Cons:
1. You are not anymore a too-cool-for-school Scener that can be proud of sharing privileged information.
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Anonymous2008-10-04 13:09
But I'm really really cool because I spend all the waking hours of my life downloading shit and uploading it someplace else.
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Anonymous2008-10-04 13:20
>>72
Just use BitTorrent with Tor as a middle server.
Pros:
1. BitTorrent scales.
2. Anonymized, so no problems about being caught by the MPAA/RIAA/BSA.
3. Being a middle server you get actually more anonymity because traffic analysis becomes more difficult.
4. You contribute to others' anonymity.
Cons:
1. You are not anymore a too-cool-for-school Scener that can be proud of sharing privileged information.
>>79 when you really need it.
Don't kid yourself, Tor is only used for child porn and by people who are too scared to download "illegal" stuff (mp3, movies, etc) with their real connection
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Anonymous2008-10-04 14:27
>>79
I run a Tor middle server, leecher. Do you run a middle server? If not then fuck off.
But it has been down in the last days and still is.
We have Tor, we have Bittorrent, and the Sceners make so fucking difficult to share information. As >>34 said, what the fuck is your problem, seriously?
Warez -> Just fucking bittorrent it. Don't FXP it, or XDCC it. Just fucking bittorrent it. With Tor as a middle server if you need privacy.
Cracks -> Create a chan tor site and discuss the cracks there. Fuck DRM and propietary software and let everybody use and improve your cracks. Include the source code of your crack, I mean the ASM with comments.
Virii/viruses -> What I said about cracks applies here too. And if you want to spread your creature, don't worry, a lot of people don't protect their computers at all. You can still have a botnet if you want.
The Scene is loosing relevance for the same reasons that proprietary software is: obfuscation.
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Anonymous2008-10-04 15:53
Scene fags don't care at all about the software and people who download their releases (ie everyone ITT). They only care to compete with each other so they get to pretend they're cool dudes.
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Anonymous2008-10-04 15:56
>>79
Tor is not trustworthy as an anonymous gate to external public sites. Its only real use is hidden nodes, so FUCK YOU.
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Anonymous2008-10-04 16:05
>>74
Instead of private torrents you can just release a Tor torrent. That is, publish it on a Tor site and seed it from Tor. Somebody will publish it out of Tor anyway.
And run a Tor middle server, for your enhanced privacy, for others and for fuck's sake.
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Anonymous2008-10-04 16:47
>>87
Tor is the best tool available for anonymously browsing the Internet. It is not secure, but it is anonymous. It means that an exit Tor server can perform a MITM attack.
That means you shouldn't use Tor for connecting to your bank account or anything you need a password for.
But Tor is very useful for any kind of censored content. That includes warez and cracks. So it makes sense that these things were in the Tor network, but the Sceners don't make sense and still prefer to FXP/XDCC them.
If you want to learn about cracks, virus and exploits then you find the Sceners in the way, so proud of knowing more than you and not wanting to share what they know. You have to suck their cock first.
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Anonymous2008-10-04 17:16
>>67 Torrents rely on central trackers and are thus much more brittle.
Not anymore.
The rest are more or less good points though.
I can crack stuff
1. If this is true, I salute you for your contribution to free our culture from greedy corporations. I don't believe in imaginary property.
2. I suppose you're using Tor or some other proxy to browse 4chan; otherwise all your secrecy is now gone.
>>74 Then release torrents in Secret Trackers Of Scene Quality first and let things flow from there. It's just a matter of replacing "secret FTPs only the cool kids know about" with "secret trackers only the cool kids know about."
Great point. Maintains secrecy, but helps spreading among the trusted networks and takes better advantage of their bandwidth, plus it's a safer protocol.
>>75 Just use BitTorrent with Tor as a middle server.
Another good point. Probably the best thing to do.
>>80 But Tor doesn't, unless you're also running Tor nodes.
The UN should run Tor nodes. Or a contribution-based independent NGO based on Antigua & Barbuda should.
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Anonymous2008-10-04 19:39
2. I suppose you're using Tor or some other proxy to browse 4chan; otherwise all your secrecy is now gone.
I'm not sure that counts as a legal confession.
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Anonymous2008-10-04 21:56
>>91
With today's law it depends; does the RIAA/MPAA/etc. want it so? Then it does. Otherwise it doesn't.
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Anonymous2008-10-05 5:00
Look at it this way.
On most browsers, you can bring up your browsing history by pressing Control-H. (No, this is not going to become a discussion of werecows.) On Firefox, this brings up a sidebar that shows up on the left side of the window. If you put your mouse over the edge of the sidebar, the cursor will turn into a different kind of arrow. By clicking and dragging it, you can move the edge of the sidebar back and forth. You are, to put it another way, manipulating the border between the normal window and the history window. By moving the mouse, you can increase the portion of the window devoted to either part. In a more extreme view of this situation, you're increasing or decreasing the amount of existence the sidebar has.
Now, let's apply this idea to something more abstract. Look out your window. If you don't live in a highly urbanized area, you should be able to see the horizon. Think of this as the border between the land and the sky. The land and sky are obviously distinguishable thanks to this boundary. Now, if you were to "drag" the sash between the sky and the land, or to manipulate the border between land and sky, you would end up causing the sky to become larger and the land to become smaller, or vice versa. An effect of this might be to cause something that was just on the ground to suddenly be hundreds of feet in the air. Truly a frightening situation to be in. So, look at it this way - manipulating the border between two physical things shifts whatever balance there is in the interaction between those things. Alternatively, by manipulating the border between two things, you can change the manner in which they exist.
Still, this isn't *that* abstract, since it's still dealing with real things in the real world. Many believe that in this world, there are those things that are true, and those that obviously aren't. This divides reality into two extremes: truth and falsehood. But, since we have two extremes, logically one can imagine a boundary between those two extremes - the border between truth and lies. If one were to manipulate this border, suddenly things that were pure fantasy (flying pigs, for the sake of argument) have become reality - or things from reality have ceased to exist. This is how Yukari is said to have invaded the moon - by manipulating the border between truth and lies, as applied to the reflection of the moon on a pond, she was able to make the reflection of the moon into a manifestation of the actual moon, and so send her youkai army onto it. This is what's truly amazing about Yukari's power - the ability to manipulate the border between completely abstract concepts allows her to fundamentally change reality as we know it (at least in terms of two abstract concepts).
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Anonymous2008-10-05 11:48
>>74
If the StoSQ is really Scene Quality it needs a seedbox. But when you have a seedbox you don't really need a few people with cable connections chiming in, whose IP addresses you shouldn't know anyway. The whole idea of a tracker is pretty useless here.
Also you need a way for releasegroups to upload a torrent, relatively slow, to various seedboxes and make the StoSQs release a torrent when the group says it's all done. Then you need a way to connect seedboxes directly so your slow connection doesn't become a bottleneck, probably by uploading a torrent from one StoSQ to the seedbox of another. You don't want seedboxes to see eachother unless they were directly connected, so the tracker is still useless. And I haven't even started about security, tokens in torrents so you know who up/downloads what, torrent hosting (on a website?) etc
FTP can have private group directories for upload and then a move into the clear. It has FXP to transfer between servers. It's probably still a better idea.
And yes, FTP over SSL is pretty secure.
>>Tor guy(s)
If you want data connections over Tor, you are an idiot and see >>56. If you just want the tracker over Tor, everybody still sees all IPs.
>>Cracks are not open source guy
The scene is competition between groups and against copyright holders. It's not the place to be open and help people learn reverse engineering; there are enough irc channels, fora and websites for that purpose. Enough of those helpful people are sceners, they just don't talk about it.
Also I doubt that some confusing notes, a disassembly with a few comments and maybe some code will help you much. Good tutorials and DIY with a hint when you're stuck are much better.
>>90 Torrents rely on central trackers and are thus much more brittle. Not anymore
Kademlia is not standard. Trackers make the difference between torrents and eMule/Gnutella.
Fun Fact: All "crackers" are dipshit college students who really believe that patching jmp opcodes with nop is some really hardcore, intellectual reverse-engineering process.
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Anonymous2008-10-07 20:19
>>105
Some are russians who are hardcore reverse engineers that replace jmps with jmps to their own code turning all the idiots who use their cracks into bots
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Anonymous2008-10-07 21:11
>>106
Ah, very true. Those men shall be the exception to the rule.
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Anonymous2008-10-07 22:13
I fucking hate The Scene. They're a bunch of elitist retards who keep on using idiotic methods of distribution just because they're the "Unwritten Informal Rules of God." Stop splitting things in tiny rars and then put them in zips inside of rars inside of tar.gzs inside of rars. Stop wasting time on making ASCII art in fonts no one has anymore. Stop using your FTPs with rules from 15 years ago. You don't need "couriers," "pre-channels" or "topsites", just fucking torrent it. What the fuck is your problem? There are plenty of ultra-cool supah sekrit private trackers you can use to make your releases if you feel public ones are not "underground" enough for you.
You're not doing it for "quality." Your average "non-scene" Blackcats game or your average "non-scene" what.cd FLAC torrent are of equal or better quality than "scene" releases. I remember that recently, a DS game (was it Final Fantasy IV? I can't remember) was released first by someone "who didn't belong to the scene." The "scene" release showed up several hours later and it ended up being a bad dump. What happened, did you accidentally jizzed all over your DS while you were dumping the cart just thinking about how all the eProps your buddies were going to give you for dumping a high profile game for their glory? And why did you feel the need to make a dupe of something someone else had already dumped? Just because it's missing a cool "-L33TKiDZ" tag on the filename, that doesn't mean you need to dupe it, asshole.
Stop clinging to obsolete formats that no one else uses. Really, who the hell wants to download 1G of Xvid? If I'm downloading a goddamned HD show, maybe I have what it takes to play h.264?
They should learn a couple of things from the anime fansubbing scene. Anyone can start a group. If a group sucks, natural selection will take care of them, because the channels of communication that allow people to are there. All groups are given equal chances. They have simple methods of distribution (XDCC + torrent), always jump on new, more efficient technologies and generally don't have dumb hierarchies.
In the meanwhile, "The Scene" is stuck in the 80s with their obsolete technology and "Secret Handshake Club No Girls Allowed" Elementary School bullshit.