Where should I post cracks?

Does anybody know a 4chan-like forum where I can post cracked software?  I cracked for the first time a commercial application, uploaded it to Rapidshare and now I don't know where to post it.

I don't find a place for this stuff, not even in darknets like Tor or I2P.  Most forums either consider this off-topic or explicitly prohibit illegal material.

Where can I post cracks?

Thanks.

>>34
I'm a cracker, and I approve of this message.

>>41
Cracker-ass cracker.

>>34
I'M ANONYMOUS
SON OF A BITC-

er, I mean, while I highly respect members of the scene for what they've done for the general public (and the damage they've dealt to imaginary property motherfuckers), I think I generally agree with the point of >>34 that the scene should move on to newer methods and technologies, and that the anime community is an example of quick adoption and natural selection (though they too are prone to duplicate efforts). For example, I'm happy with how awesome technologies such as Matroska are quickly adopted by them simply on the basis that they're the state of the art.

>>25-27
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scene

My problem with The Scene is its secrecy.  I don't know any topsite.

Why so much secrecy?  Years ago it made sense because it wasn't easy to be anonymous, but today, with Freenet, Tor, I2P et al you can set up an anonymous topsite on one of those darknets, and you will never have a legal problem.

It's easy to find one of the main scene IRC networks as long as you're into darknets.

Please, >>34,44. I rather think that any group, gathering or classification of people predisposed to build a cargo cult around split rar archives do not deserve to have their denomination capitalized.

>>34
Stop splitting things in tiny rars
Splitting is great for concurrent distribution and integrity checking. Using rars is a simple and effective way to do this which works well with all FTP servers (and most other systems).


rars inside of zips
Yes this is a bit stupid in 0day, but nobody cares enough to change it.

Stop wasting time on making ASCII art
It's a completely harmless tradition.


just fucking torrent it
Torrents are inherently insecure because everbody knows everybody. Also the peer-to-peer aspect doesn't match the semi-centralized big fast server part of the scene.


You're not doing it for "quality."
Quality is important in the scene, which is why there is the nuke system to enforce it. Sure there are other sources with good quality, but it shouldn't be a problem to co-exist.


Stop clinging to obsolete formats that no one else uses.
You are flat wrong here. x264 rips in mkv containers have been consistently released for almost 2 years. However the continuing popularity of xvid rips shows that xvid is far from obsolete.

So what it boils down to is that you don't like the "secret club" stuff. Whatever.
It's secret because busts do happen from time to time. It's a club because it doesn't scale.


>>38
torrent sites whose staff proceeds to fellate them
Indeed those staffs are idiots.

>>46
Proper nouns are capitalised. Capitalisation is not a way of showing respect outside of deranged cults.

>>47
Splitting is great for concurrent distribution and integrity checking.
If only we had something that took care of that at the protocol level. Oh wait.
Splitting stuff into tiny RARs is a great way to waste people's time by invalidating an entire download when one of the archives is missing or corrupted. BitTorrent works around that seamlessly.

Torrents are inherently insecure because everbody knows everybody.
Oh noes, my computer is broadcasting an IP address!

Also the peer-to-peer aspect doesn't match the semi-centralized big fast server part of the scene.
And that's a good thing. See also:

It's secret because busts do happen from time to time. It's a club because it doesn't scale.
Busts are much less of a problem with torrents, because the whole network is never threatened. Scaling isn't an issue.

Ignorant apologist.

ITT we wish we were cool cyber hackers

>>45
Can you just post some sites or IRC server/chats in the Darknets where The Scene can be found?

>>51
You are not cool enough a cyber dude

>>49
What's the advantage of being part of The Scene?  Is it just the speed you can download a movie?  I'm not in a hurry to download anything.  I use Azureus with Tor and it's not the fastest but I don't have to worry about cease and desist letters.

What I also don't like about The Scene is that you don't know what the cracked software you are getting is doing.  Is it so difficult to include in the zip the asm file from the disassembler and then a diff file between the cracked asm and the original one?

>>53
Is it so difficult to download the original software from the original source, make your own diff, and disassemble it yourfuckingself?

>>53-54
I mean, is it so difficult to have some comments in the diff too?  What I find interesting about cracking software is that you are making something that is close more open.

I use Azureus with Tor and it's not the fastest but I don't have to worry about cease and desist letters.
I'd gladly ban you from the Tor network forever.  You and those like you are the primary force that slows Tor down to unacceptable speeds.

>>53-54
I mean, is it so difficult to have some comments in the diff too?  What I find interesting about cracking software is that you are making something that is close more open.

>>57
Don't be silly. Crackers don't do it because for principles or because it's an interesting challenge. They do it simply because they enjoy the attention.

>>53-54
I mean, is it so difficult to have some comments in the diff too?  What I find interesting about cracking software is that you are making something that is close more open.

The whole "scene" reminds me of 13-year-olds and their inflated egos.

Why can't crackers act more professionally? From what I've seen, only some of the Chinese ones are more of a "crack to understand and open" type, probably from their communist heritage.

Anonix

>>60
protip: things are sometimes what they seem.

>>47
Splitting is great for concurrent distribution and integrity checking. Using rars is a simple and effective way to do this which works well with all FTP servers (and most other systems).
That may be true. So split with rar -v20m or whatever, but that's it. There's no need to split all in 1 MB files, add .nfo files on each, then zip them together, then split them again in 20 MB files with 7-Zip with more .nfo files, then tar+gz each one, then add some more .nfo files.

It's a completely harmless tradition.
I agree about ASCII art, it's harmless. The anime scene could use SJIS art too.

Torrents are inherently insecure because everbody knows everybody.
But they scale, and I believe there were some extensions to the protocol to make it harder to detect or eavesdrop.

Also the peer-to-peer aspect doesn't match the semi-centralized big fast server part of the scene.
Which is a bad thing because that doesn't scale. No matter how fast and fat your wires are, you're not going to be able to serve your files to just everyone. And the larger you become, the easier you are to detect. I suppose it's much easier to go unnoticed in a community of file sharers if you're just "85.42.110.75" with a cable line than if you're "The fat nerd's 1 Gbps warez dump" and pay good bucks a month for that upload capacity.

the continuing popularity of xvid rips shows that xvid is far from obsolete.
IMO a technology is not obsolete because nobody uses it, it's obsolete whenever there's something much better available.

>>50
hello im fairX the haxxor join my community of hackers if you payme enough i will give you access to a private area of haxx ;)

>>63
"The fat nerd's 1 Gbps warez dump" and pay good bucks a month for that upload capacity.

I think those are usually hacked boxes on University networks and so.

At least the more public ones.

>>63
But what if I'm using a 2400 bps modem, or want to save each rar onto a 1.44 MB floppy disk and carry it around or mail to someone? Who's laughing then, huh?

>>65
I'm the one laughing, at you.

If only we had something that took care of that at the protocol level
OMG I never knew!
Yes, rars work around a limitation of the FTP protocol. The advantage of using FTP and not a hypothetical FTP++ is that there is that there are loads of FTP servers and programs and nothing FTP++. Just like IPv4 vs IPv6 it's easier to extend the current system in a suboptimal but compatible way than to switch to the slightly better but less supported and incompatible one.

invalidating an entire download
Bullshit.

[ rars inside of zips suck, split too small etc ]
Historical reasons, nobody cares.

Anyway, I don't see the point in nitpicking about transfer/packing protocols in the scene. It really doesn't matter that much.

Busts are much less of a problem with torrents, because the whole network is never threatened.
Bullshit again. Torrents rely on central trackers and are thus much more brittle. If one topsite is taken down, the network just loses a node and works around it. Also...

Oh noes, my computer is broadcasting an IP address!
easier to go unnoticed in a community of file sharers if you're just "85.42.110.75"
That's true if you're Joe Schmoe downloading a movie, but it's less desirable if you're some group releasing stuff that pisses off the MPAA/RIAA/BSA etc and eventually the police/FBI/whatever.
If you don't have much safety in numbers, it's a good idea to take real security measures (web of trust, proxies, encryption).

some extensions to the protocol to make it harder to detect or eavesdrop
That only protects from passive listeners. Everybody can ask the tracker for all IP's.

What's the advantage of being part of The Scene? Is it just the speed [..]?
Of course that is an advantage, for some people maybe the main advantage. But for me the main advantage is that I can crack stuff (and I do that as a hobby for the challenge >>58), get it tested and released and never worry if big company X will send its lawyers.
Though I'll admit that I get a kick from seeing it spread everywhere and being part of a secret club.

>>64
That's the FXP scene, generally frowned upon by the scene because it's insecure as fuck.

>>67
Yes, rars work around a limitation of the FTP protocol. The advantage of using FTP and not a hypothetical FTP++ blah blah blah
The protocol that takes care of that already exists. It's BitTorrent.
I can assure you that nowadays, more people have BitTorrent clients than FTP clients.

>>69
Do I really have to explain again that torrents are insecure peer-to-peer as opposed to secure friend-to-friend?

>>70
Please, go ahead.

>>71
With torrents, you connect to the tracker, get everyone's IP addresses and proceed to exchange data with them.

In the scene, everyone knows only a small number of topsites. Data is spread by copying it from one site you know to another you know. Nobody sees further than one step.

>>34
Listen to this man

>>72
Then release torrents in Secret Trackers Of Scene Quality first and let things flow from there. It's just a matter of replacing "secret FTPs only the cool kids know about" with "secret trackers only the cool kids know about."

No one's saying you should start releasing 0day on The Pirate Bay. Turn topsites into private trackers, keep them equally secret and your "security concerns" are gone.

Or are you going to claim FTP is secure?

>>72
Just use BitTorrent with Tor as a middle server.

Pros:

1. BitTorrent scales.
2. Anonymized, so no problems about being caught by the MPAA/RIAA/BSA.
3. Being a middle server you get actually more anonymity because traffic analysis becomes more difficult.
4. You contribute to others' anonymity.

Cons:

1. You are not anymore a too-cool-for-school Scener that can be proud of sharing privileged information.

>>72
Just use BitTorrent with Tor as a middle server.

Pros:

1. BitTorrent scales.
2. Anonymized, so no problems about being caught by the MPAA/RIAA/BSA.
3. Being a middle server you get actually more anonymity because traffic analysis becomes more difficult.
4. You contribute to others' anonymity.

Cons:

1. You are not anymore a too-cool-for-school Scener that can be proud of sharing privileged information.

But I'm really really cool because I spend all the waking hours of my life downloading shit and uploading it someplace else.

>>72
Just use BitTorrent with Tor as a middle server.

Pros:

1. BitTorrent scales.
2. Anonymized, so no problems about being caught by the MPAA/RIAA/BSA.
3. Being a middle server you get actually more anonymity because traffic analysis becomes more difficult.
4. You contribute to others' anonymity.

Cons:

1. You are not anymore a too-cool-for-school Scener that can be proud of sharing privileged information.

>>78
>Just use BitTorrent with Tor as a middle server.
People like you are the reason it's impossible to use Tor for browsing when you really need it.

FUCK OFF.

>>78
1. BitTorrent scales.
But Tor doesn't, unless you're also running Tor nodes.