Does Lojban have a word for "good"? In English it has different meanings. There is the emotive form, which is basically approval. There is "that is good for you", the beneficial form. There is absolute, moral good, which is meaningless. There is "skilled", as in "to be good at". There are probably more...
Well, there's one word for ``good'' as in ``apples are good for you'' and another (vrude) for saying ``be good and you'll go to heaven''. Am I right, Christopher?
Can I use xu ko nelci mi to say ``Am I making you like me!?'' (meaning ``you can leave me any time you want'')?
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Anonymous2008-06-17 15:03
15. How many people speak Lojban?
Questions of how many people speak a language greatly depend on your presuppositions and definitions — which a language like Lojban, at least, can make explicit! The on-line Lojban mailing list, which constitutes the largest community of people using the language, has over 200 subscribers, with well over 20 regular posters as of this writing. The level of confidence of the language community has already risen to such a level that there is a Lojban-language–only discussion group, as well as the general mailing list. Lojban has also been used extensively in real-time conversation, both electronically (IRC) and face-to-face. Though the Lojban-speaking community is so widely diffused that the opportunity for conversation does not arise frequently, the number of Lojbanists who can sustain a conversation in the language certainly ranges beyond what can be counted on the fingers of one hand, and is steadily increasing. Lojban has been proven in communicative use for well over a decade, and the range and expressivity of the language is being continually explored by the language community.
The first speakers of Lojban have a unique opportunity. They are the history-makers who will shape the flavor of the first totally new language to achieve broad speakability. Their ideas will be most influential in setting the patterns of usage that others will learn from. Their experiences will teach things about language that have never before been learned — or learnable.
How much lubricant is necessary for learning Lojban?
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Anonymous2008-06-17 17:08
Will learning Lojban make me go blind?
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Anonymous2008-06-17 17:15
Will learning Lojban earn me some street cred with folks who speak Elvish?
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Anonymous2008-06-17 17:36
Is there a english-to-Lojban-to-Java translator out there?
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Anonymous2008-06-18 9:23
>>49
Using ko (e.g. ko tavla) is like replacing the ko with do (do tavla) and saying "make this relationship true!". xu asks if the statement is true. So using both is like saying "is it true that you talk? talk!" the listener could say "no" and then do it.
So xu ko nelci mi is "is it true that you like me?" and "like me!". Or, you could interpret it as "Will you like me?" and "Like me!"
It's better to try less to translate English into Lojban and more try to consider the literal meaning of what you want to express. Maybe you can break it down "you are not bound to being my companion" so, maybe, for example:
.einai do kansa mi "you are my companion [but you are not obliged to be so]"
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Anonymous2008-06-18 9:34
[dude@dude-laptop:~] cat gismu | grep tavla
bacru ba'u utter x1 utters verbally/says/phonates/speaks [vocally makes sound] x2 1h 386 [also voices; does not necessarily imply communication or audience; ('says' is usually cusku)]; (cf. krixa, cusku, casnu, tavla, voksa, pinka)
bangu ban bau language x1 is a/the language/dialect used by x2 to express/communicate x3 (si'o/du'u, not quote) 1b 162 [also tongue]; (cf. tance, cusku, ve tavla, valsi, gerna, jufra, natmi, slaka)
casnu snu discuss x1(s) (mass normally, but 1 individual/jo'u possible) discuss(es)/talk(s) about topic/subject x2 1h 107 [also chat, converse]; (cf. bacru, cusku, darlu, tavla)
ciksi cki explain x1 (person) explains x2 (event/state/property) to x3 with explanation x4 (du'u) 1h 53 [explanation x4 is an underlying mechanism/details/purpose/method for x2 (= velcki for reordered places), generally assumed to be non-obvious; metaphorical usage with the various causal relations (i.e. jalge, mukti, krinu, rinka, nibli, zukte) is possible, but the non-obviousness, and the existence of an explainer with a point of view makes this word not a simple expression of cause]; (cf. cipra, danfu, jalge, jinvi, krinu, mukti, nabmi, preti, rinka, sidbo, zukte, tavla)
cusku cus sku express x1 (agent) expresses/says x2 (sedu'u/text/lu'e concept) for audience x3 via expressive medium x4 1h 872 [also says]; (cf. bacru, tavla, casnu, spuda, cmavo list cu'u, bangu, dapma, jufra, pinka)
darlu dau argue x1 argues for stand x2 against stand x3; [an opponent is not necessary] 3j 57 (cf. fapro, jamna, sarji, talsa, sumti, tugni, casnu, damba, bradi, tavla)
skicu ski describe x1 tells about/describes x2 (object/event/state) to audience x3 with description x4 (property) 7j 97 (cf. lisri, tavla)
tavla tav ta'a talk 'palaver' x1 talks/speaks to x2 about subject x3 in language x4 1h 338 [not limited to vocal speech, but this is implied by the x4 without context of some other medium of conversation (use cusku, casnu, skicu, ciksi for weaker implication of vocal communication); converse/discuss/chat (= simta'a, simsku, vricysimta'a for a conversation not clearly delimited by subject)]; (cf. bacru, cusku for actual expression, casnu, darlu, skicu, ciksi, bangu)
Your ``greppable'' gismu list isn't really greppable.
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Anonymous2008-06-18 14:07
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Great, Lojban possessives go the other way around compared to Japanese. I'll be having trouble switching now.
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Anonymous2008-06-18 15:23
>>77
You should learn Mandarin, or something. It's probably gonna be more useful in the future than Japanese or Chrispeak . Then again, maybe it won't. What the fuck do I know anyway?
You probably know this, but I'll mention it for context. pe is for lose association or possession. Like lo skami pe mi and lo stizu pe mi "the computer of me"/"my computer" and "the chair of me"/"the chair I sit on" -- not the chair that I own.
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Anonymous2008-06-18 17:19
computer, I
Moonspeak: watashi no konpyuta Lojban: le skami pe mi also le mi skami, without the auxiliary word.
The gismu list doesn't mention ``programmer'' or any related words.
Ｉ ｆｅｅｌ ｋｉｎｄ ｏｆ ｂａｄ ａｂｏｕｔ ｉｔ ：（
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Anonymous2008-06-19 18:11
You can use skami platu finti -- computer plan creator
or samplafi'i as a lujvo
I think plan is accurate. It could actually mean "planner of computers", not "plans that are computed". Maybe pruce platu "process plan"... but I don't know, that might be too much detail.
skami pruce platu finti
((computer process) plan) creator
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Anonymous2008-06-19 18:18
Oh, woops. I misread the definition of platu. The x1 is the person creating the plan. So you could infact use skami platu "computer planner".
But the meaning of tanrus is often ambiguous and up for contextual interpretation.
E.g. zgike tirna means "music type-of hear"
mi zgike tirna could be interpreted as "I hear music" OR "I am something musical which hears"/"musically hearing".
Hm.
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Anonymous2008-06-19 18:19
>>94
How would you go about creating a new word for programmer?
When you create a lujvo you define precisely what it means.
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Anonymous2008-06-19 18:26
>>99
Nice to see I predicted correctly. I'm not talking out of my arse afterall.
Btw, skami+platu would produce the word sampla
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Gismu {skami}, with rafsi {sam}, glossing to {computer}:
x1 is a computer for purpose x2(cf. kanji, minji, pensi)
Gismu {platu}, with rafsi {pla}, glossing to {plan}:
x1 (agent) plans/designs/plots plan/arrangement/plot/[schematic] x2 for state/process x3[also invents/organizes; x2 design, scheme; the structure or layout of an object would be represented as a state in x3]; (cf. cartu)
So there you have it, the word for programmer is "sampla".
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Anonymous2008-06-19 18:29
sampla being made from skami and platu doesn't really appeal to me. No way I'd guess what it is without knowing the words it's made of.
Interestingly, some cmavo have rafsi. E.g. I think you could have merko ja brito American or British, ja's rafsi is jar, so you could have a word merjarbrito "American or British".
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Anonymous2008-06-19 18:52
lo do mamta cu mutce dansu bo certu -- your mother is very skilled at dancing [much type-of (dance type-of skill))]
lo do mamta cu mutce dansu certu -- your mother is skilled at dancing a lot [(much type-of dance) type-of skill]
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