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Name: Anonymous 2008-06-17 9:30

This is a thread all about Lojban.

• Discuss the syntax and semantics.
• Discuss software for/using Lojban (parsing Lojban, Prolog, etc.).

Seeing as pretty much 80% of Lojban enthusiasts are programmers, it is probably on topic here in /prog/

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-18 18:13

>>80
Ah, interesting.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-18 18:15

Uhm, Christopher, why did you use lo instead of le? And what actually is lo?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-18 18:18

>>82
lo is "the one(s) that really is/are". le is "the one(s) that I describe as".

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-18 18:20

>>83
Okay. Clear.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-18 18:21

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-18 18:27

>>85
http://jbotcan.org/cllc/c5/s16.html

16.3) melbi bo cmalu je nixli ckule
    ((pretty type-of little) and girl) type-of school
    school for girls and for beautifully small things


This is awesome. Where to start?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-18 18:29

>>86
http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/book1.html

You might also want to follow Christopher's recommended tutorial.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-18 18:30

>>86
I lol'd. You can start with

The Lojban Reference Grammar1 http://jbotcan.org/cllc/c2/s1.html

or read Lojban for Beginners: http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/book1.html

1Also known as Complete Lojban Language (the book).

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-18 21:05

http://jbotcan.org/jbo/

Wakaba fuck yeah!

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-19 1:29

>>31

Learning[1] Lojban[2] is[3] indeed[4] more[5] fun[6]

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-19 9:37

ma gasnu

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-19 14:13

>>91
I don't understand.``Who does something?"

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-19 17:39

The gismu list doesn't mention ``programmer'' or any related words.

I feel kind of bad about it :(

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-19 18:11

You can use skami platu finti -- computer plan creator

or samplafi'i as a lujvo

I think plan is accurate. It could actually mean "planner of computers", not "plans that are computed". Maybe pruce platu "process plan"... but I don't know, that might be too much detail.

skami pruce platu finti

((computer process) plan) creator

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-19 18:18

Oh, woops. I misread the definition of platu. The x1 is the person creating the plan. So you could infact use skami platu "computer planner".

But the meaning of tanrus is often ambiguous and up for contextual interpretation.

E.g. zgike tirna means "music type-of hear"

mi zgike tirna could be interpreted as "I hear music" OR "I am something musical which hears"/"musically hearing".

Hm.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-19 18:19

>>94
How would you go about creating a new word for programmer?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-19 18:20

samplafi'i would have to be samselplafi'i

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-19 18:21

>>96
You create a lujvo (e.g. samselplafi'i) typically. I think there probably already is one. Let me check...

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-19 18:23

Ah, here we are:

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lojban/Lujvo

skami+platu:  programmer:   x1 = platu1 (planner), x2 = platu2 (plan made), x3 = platu3 (planned out)

When you create a lujvo you define precisely what it means.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-19 18:26

>>99
Nice to see I predicted correctly. I'm not talking out of my arse afterall.

Btw, skami+platu would produce the word sampla

from


   Gismu {skami}, with rafsi {sam}, glossing to {computer}:
x1 is a computer for purpose x2(cf. kanji, minji, pensi)

   Gismu {platu}, with rafsi {pla}, glossing to {plan}:
x1 (agent) plans/designs/plots plan/arrangement/plot/[schematic] x2 for state/process x3[also invents/organizes; x2 design, scheme; the structure or layout of an object would be represented as a state in x3]; (cf. cartu)



So there you have it, the word for programmer is "sampla".

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-19 18:29

sampla being made from skami and platu doesn't really appeal to me. No way I'd guess what it is without knowing the words it's made of.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-19 18:32

>>101
You would know by the rafsi.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-19 18:34

>>101

   Gismu {skami}, with rafsi {sam}, glossing to {computer}:
   Gismu {platu}, [b] with rafsi {pla}[/bb], glossing to {plan}:

lujvo are compound words, you use sam and pla to make sampla.

http://jbotcan.org/cllc/c4/s5.html

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-19 18:34

>>103
God damnit.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-19 18:36

>>103
Oh, haha. It actually has construction of the word sampla on that section.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-19 18:36

oooOOOoooh and I've been wondering for quite some time what these shortened versions of gismu are.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-19 18:38

>>105
I lied, but w/e.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-19 18:48

Interestingly, some cmavo have rafsi. E.g. I think you could have merko ja brito American or British, ja's rafsi is jar, so you could have a word merjarbrito "American or British".

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-19 18:52

lo do mamta cu mutce dansu bo certu -- your mother is very skilled at dancing [much type-of (dance type-of skill))]

lo do mamta cu mutce dansu certu -- your mother is skilled at dancing a lot [(much type-of dance) type-of skill]

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-20 7:30

lol, aspergers

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-20 8:01

>>110
You are unenlightened.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-20 8:47

fe la lojban. ciksi fi la >>111

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-20 8:57

>>112
mi na certu lojban

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-20 11:55

mi fe do la lojban do mamta xu ca tu'e.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-20 14:24

/prog/

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-20 15:19

XAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXA

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-20 20:57

.u'i srera za'a .i ku'i ro do troci .a'idai.i'e.ui

.e'u ko ro do pilno la .jbofi'e. po'u la'o .gy. Jbofihe .gy

mi'e la'o gy. Christopher .gy

ta'o la .prog. banli bau la .lojban. pei

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-20 21:10

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-20 21:11

EXPERT Christopher ITT

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-20 21:12

s/ko ro do/ro ko

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