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Vim or Emacs

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-09 18:04

IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE THE LAST DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-09 18:07

70'S ABANDONDWARE ARE NOT TEXT EDITORS

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-09 18:11

I use Acme. It's better. Mousing is faster than keyboarding.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-09 18:14

>>1
Look at it this way.

On most browsers, you can bring up your browsing history by pressing Control-H. (No, this is not going to become a discussion of werecows.) On Firefox, this brings up a sidebar that shows up on the left side of the window. If you put your mouse over the edge of the sidebar, the cursor will turn into a different kind of arrow. By clicking and dragging it, you can move the edge of the sidebar back and forth. You are, to put it another way, manipulating the border between the normal window and the history window. By moving the mouse, you can increase the portion of the window devoted to either part. In a more extreme view of this situation, you're increasing or decreasing the amount of existence the sidebar has.

Now, let's apply this idea to something more abstract. Look out your window. If you don't live in a highly urbanized area, you should be able to see the horizon. Think of this as the border between the land and the sky. The land and sky are obviously distinguishable thanks to this boundary. Now, if you were to "drag" the sash between the sky and the land, or to manipulate the border between land and sky, you would end up causing the sky to become larger and the land to become smaller, or vice versa. An effect of this might be to cause something that was just on the ground to suddenly be hundreds of feet in the air. Truly a frightening situation to be in. So, look at it this way - manipulating the border between two physical things shifts whatever balance there is in the interaction between those things. Alternatively, by manipulating the border between two things, you can change the manner in which they exist.

Still, this isn't *that* abstract, since it's still dealing with real things in the real world. Many believe that in this world, there are those things that are true, and those that obviously aren't. This divides reality into two extremes: truth and falsehood. But, since we have two extremes, logically one can imagine a boundary between those two extremes - the border between truth and lies. If one were to manipulate this border, suddenly things that were pure fantasy (flying pigs, for the sake of argument) have become reality - or things from reality have ceased to exist. This is how Yukari is said to have invaded the moon - by manipulating the border between truth and lies, as applied to the reflection of the moon on a pond, she was able to make the reflection of the moon into a manifestation of the actual moon, and so send her youkai army onto it. This is what's truly amazing about Yukari's power - the ability to manipulate the border between completely abstract concepts allows her to fundamentally change reality as we know it (at least in terms of two abstract concepts).

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-09 18:17

When I use an editor, I don't want eight EXTRA KILOBYTES of worthless
help screens and cursor positioning code!  I just want an EDitor!!
Not a "viitor".  Not a "emacsitor".  Those aren't even WORDS!!!!
ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-09 18:54

>>4
Lol vi.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-09 19:00

>>4
lol wut

Name: newfag 2008-01-09 19:06

>>4
this is awesome copypasta. sauce? and wtf is it doing in a vi/emacs thread?

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-09 19:19

>>8
http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1189821126/1,14-

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 2:35

>>8
Hehe, I found it on the Poo Shiner Touhou image board.  It's so abstract that it applies to anything and can easily be pasted to take a poor beginner off guard.  I don't think I saved it though, so I see it was successful the first time I used it ;)

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 6:05

SHIT SHUCKS

Emacs :3

Name: notepad 2008-01-10 6:24

notepad

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 6:27

>>10
Switch "Yukari" to "The Sussman" and it's perfect.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 6:36

No shirt, Shitlock.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 8:39

I lost two of my friends because of the editor was. I don't care anyway, vifags ain't my friends.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 9:14

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Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 17:23

Visual Studio 2006 editor.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 17:32

>>17
 You mean 2005

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 18:29

Yes. Emacs for Lisp and Oz, and Vim for C, Python and LaTeX, of course!
But for my two favourite languages of all time, Java and PHP, there can only be Eclipse.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 18:30

NANO FAGGOTS

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 19:05

>>20
What about them? Are you one of these ``nano faggots''?

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 19:09

>>20
Indeed, nano users are faggots.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 19:36

>>22
What about pico users?

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 19:46

Do you mean ``pico faggots''?

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 20:23

List of respectable text editors:
ed
vi
emacs
acme
sam

That's it.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 20:31

>>25
You forgot dd and cat.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 20:43

notepad++

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 21:00

>>25
vi
Is that nvi or Vim?

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 21:15

>>25
more like just vi(fags call it Vim), cat and nano.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 21:33

>>28
Yes.

>>29
nano
...

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 21:33

>>26
Not text editors.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 22:32

>>18
Whatever, actually when I had to use it it lasted two days before I went and installed that thing that makes it a little bit like vim.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 22:34

>IT'S VIM A LONG TIME SINCE THE LAST DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.
fix'd

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-10 23:18

IT'S EMACS A LONG TIME SINCE THE LAST DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.
fix'd

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-11 0:16

| >IT'S ED A LONG TIME SINCE THE LAST DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS
| fix'd

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-11 1:54

>>35
LEARN
TO
QUOTE

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-11 4:18

> > > > > > > > > > > > PENIS

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-11 5:01

IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE THE LAST DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS ~nano.
Fixed.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-11 17:47

Oh, and one more thing,

IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE WE SCIENTIFICALLY DETERMINED TEXTMATE TO BE SUPERIOR; WATCH THE SCREENCASTS.

fixed.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-11 18:01

>>39
WEB

TWENNY

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-11 18:18

>>36
'(like this?)

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-11 18:33

No, ``(like ,(,this))

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-11 18:41

>>39
One word: Emacs does it all better and it's scripted in Lisp.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-11 21:39

One word: Emacs used to do it all better and it was scripted in Lisp.


Fixed. Not all of us are into retrocomputing.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-12 13:04

vi is to EMACS as masturbation is to making love: effective
and always available but probably not your first choice.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-12 16:34

>>44
Not all of us would rather hop on the latest bandwagon than code productively using proven tools.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-12 16:44

I like Emacs, Allman style ad spaces over tabs. How hardcore am I?

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-12 19:08

>>38
True, since only someone with the computer skills and intelligence of Hinaichigo would ever use Nano as their editor (assuming that was a RM reference).

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-12 19:46

>>45
wow, that pretty clever. but your fucking wrong.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-12 22:45

>>49
No, you vi users are fucking incorrectly.

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-13 2:04

>>49
I'm sorry, your sentence appears to be cut off. You were saying something about my fucking wrong something...

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-13 20:38

Vim until recently, now TextMate

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-13 22:06

>>52 Gay sex until recently, now I'm a eunuch.

fix'd

Name: Anonymous 2009-03-18 3:37

I wants lots and lots of some delectable pot!

Marijuana MUST be legalized.

Name: Anonymous 2010-11-03 0:59

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-04 17:38

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-07 20:55

Whatever one you're more comfortable using.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-07 21:02

>>54
SMOKE WEED EER DAY

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-07 22:24

>>27
yup.
I use this because I'm on windows
syntax highlighting is pretty nice

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 4:33

What's so special about vi(m) and emacs, anyway? I am new at programming but have always used nano so far.

Tried vim briefly, but was too frustrated with it and wanted to get straight to coding without having to learn a text editor.

Don't really wanna do emacs mostly out of protest for Stallman's brandfaggotry trying to take credit for everything by sticking "GNU" on it.

>>26
>dd and cat
No. You are surely trolling, right?

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 10:04

>>61
★☆☆☆☆

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 12:07

>>62
This guy >>61 here. Not even trollan about the vi/emacs thing.

dd is also definitely not a text editor. cat can be used as one, kind of, but that's like shaving with a bowling pin.

don't shave with a bowling pin

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 12:08

vim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cS37xlHWxE

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 14:35

>>63
le e/g/ic trawlan /g/rostoyevski lelelelelreeeeeelelellllelelelelllleeeel

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 15:00

dubs

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 15:01

Visual studios. vim is for stuoid niggers and emacs is wrotten for kikes

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 15:41

>>67
+1

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 15:44

I use Eclipse :)

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 18:17

>>67
1111133333333333333333311111111111!!!!!

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 18:25

>>70
ェエェぇえぇェエェ!!!!!

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-08 18:44

>>70
le pedophile exclamation points

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-09 3:21

I'd always planned on using Emacs. But then I started using vim and I'm too lazy to learn 2 separate neckbread editors.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-09 3:34

Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-09 4:17

>>73
I use both. Don't do that unless you know that ^Q will wake up your terminal after a ^S or if you don't like removing :wq lines at the end of your files. (muscle memory)

When I program in C, my IDE is vi, make and shell scripts. I also use it when I have to edit config files on a server.

I use emacs when I need the convenience of sending s-exp to the interpreter, or fancy features like syntax highlighting.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-09 7:35

>>75
vi or vim? vi is shit besides for quick edits.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-09 16:30

>>67
visual studio can't even into current C compiler

epic fail

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-09 16:46

>>77
Nice dubs!!!

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-09 22:57

>>78
thanks bro

Name: ­ 2013-09-09 23:01

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Name: Anonymous 2013-09-09 23:23

If you're not using Sublime Text 2 or similar you're just a wannabe ``hardcore hacker'' or tough guy or nerd or whatever.

There are no benefits in using such archaic editors.

It's funny, everything (useful) that Vim/Emacs can do, can be replicated on Sublime, plus more. When you tell me a Vim user if they have cursor control, they'll either say it's counterproductive, or that you can get a plugin for it. Well, a lot of shit on Vim is counterproductive, and with all your plugins Vim basically ends up looking like a Sublime clone.

When I write code I like to stop and think, the time it takes to move my hand to the mouse does not save me any time in reality, because I'm writing maybe 5 lines every 30 seconds at most, so grabbing the mouse takes a negligible amount of time.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-09 23:47

>>81
Nice 34 gro.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 0:57

>>81
Vim and Emacs, in some cases, have better language integration. The haskell-mode for Emacs, for instance, is the best I've seen. I do hope that Sublime Text attracts more attention, though.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 3:24

EmEditor is much better.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 11:00

Ultraedit Master Race reporting

Name: 85 2013-09-11 11:01

Komodo Edit 8 is good too (and $ free)

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 11:13

>>81
Vim and Emacs are free software.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 12:38

>>81
After you get used to using motion commands, you tend to dislike using the mouse. The only reason I can give is that I'm too lazy to reach out for it now. So it is ``counterproductive" for me, if only because I've become accustomed to using the keyboard, which wouldn't have happened if I didn't use vim, funnily enough. Not a reason to switch to vim, then.

Why did I bother learning vim in the first place? The main reason is I needed a command-line text editor for my linux server, and vim was my favourite. Eventually, it became my main text editor, and I haven't really found a reason to switch. It's not counterproductive. Any time spent configuring it has been my own free time, and for the most part, it was fun, so no regrets here.

If sublime can replicate vim, cool, but that's not reason enough to start using it obviously (especially when it's non-free).

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 13:28

acme

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 15:08

>>88

I had the same experience. First I used the mouse. Then I started working with vim. Then I stopped using the mouse when coding. Then I found a window manager (xmonad), which works without a mouse, so I stopped using the mouse for manipulating the desktop. Then I added vimperator to my webbrowser and now I don't use the mouse anymore. I don't even have one on my work computer.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 15:31

>>81

I looked at sublime and it has some impressive features, but I had strongly the feeling that that was it. Some impressive features. I doesn't has the deepness of vim, where every day you can learn something new to make your editor skills better.

That is not a bad thing, it is fun. You open the help file at a random place and suddenly you found a fast way to skip to the spelling errors. You learned something about the jump list, now it is easy to navigate through your files in time. You learned something about marks, now you can simply switch between parts of your code even cross files. You learn something about text-objects, suddenly it is easy to edit and replace text. You find macros, now you can automate boring tasks. You discover visual mode and how to run some command based on your selection, now you can sort your import lines alphabetically. You learn about ctags and completion, now you can use tag completion. 

And then you have the endless plugins, which you can write yourself if you want,  like the surround plugin, which adds some motions surround text-objects. I made a small postgres plugin, which runs sql snippets against postgres and can use the internal help commando of psql for documentation purposes or can show you the definition of the table.
 
In the beginning it is hard, but you get better and better and it is getting more fun everyday. It makes even boring repeating tasks fun.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 16:56

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_(text_editor)

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 17:40

9/11/14/88/420/666

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 17:42

>>93
The number of the Devil.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 18:19

>le sage pedophile

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 18:44

                                              '
>thinking sage is for pedophiles
>implying i will bump his shitty thread
>mfw
get a load of this guy

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 19:22

notepad++

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 19:28

UGANDA! UGANDA!

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 19:29

dubs

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 19:30

dubs twice in a row!

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-12 10:47

>>99-100
fuck you twice in a row!
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