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Vim or Emacs

Name: Anonymous 2008-01-09 18:04

IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE THE LAST DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-09 23:23

If you're not using Sublime Text 2 or similar you're just a wannabe ``hardcore hacker'' or tough guy or nerd or whatever.

There are no benefits in using such archaic editors.

It's funny, everything (useful) that Vim/Emacs can do, can be replicated on Sublime, plus more. When you tell me a Vim user if they have cursor control, they'll either say it's counterproductive, or that you can get a plugin for it. Well, a lot of shit on Vim is counterproductive, and with all your plugins Vim basically ends up looking like a Sublime clone.

When I write code I like to stop and think, the time it takes to move my hand to the mouse does not save me any time in reality, because I'm writing maybe 5 lines every 30 seconds at most, so grabbing the mouse takes a negligible amount of time.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-09 23:47

>>81
Nice 34 gro.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 0:57

>>81
Vim and Emacs, in some cases, have better language integration. The haskell-mode for Emacs, for instance, is the best I've seen. I do hope that Sublime Text attracts more attention, though.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 3:24

EmEditor is much better.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 11:00

Ultraedit Master Race reporting

Name: 85 2013-09-11 11:01

Komodo Edit 8 is good too (and $ free)

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 11:13

>>81
Vim and Emacs are free software.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 12:38

>>81
After you get used to using motion commands, you tend to dislike using the mouse. The only reason I can give is that I'm too lazy to reach out for it now. So it is ``counterproductive" for me, if only because I've become accustomed to using the keyboard, which wouldn't have happened if I didn't use vim, funnily enough. Not a reason to switch to vim, then.

Why did I bother learning vim in the first place? The main reason is I needed a command-line text editor for my linux server, and vim was my favourite. Eventually, it became my main text editor, and I haven't really found a reason to switch. It's not counterproductive. Any time spent configuring it has been my own free time, and for the most part, it was fun, so no regrets here.

If sublime can replicate vim, cool, but that's not reason enough to start using it obviously (especially when it's non-free).

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 13:28

acme

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 15:08

>>88

I had the same experience. First I used the mouse. Then I started working with vim. Then I stopped using the mouse when coding. Then I found a window manager (xmonad), which works without a mouse, so I stopped using the mouse for manipulating the desktop. Then I added vimperator to my webbrowser and now I don't use the mouse anymore. I don't even have one on my work computer.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 15:31

>>81

I looked at sublime and it has some impressive features, but I had strongly the feeling that that was it. Some impressive features. I doesn't has the deepness of vim, where every day you can learn something new to make your editor skills better.

That is not a bad thing, it is fun. You open the help file at a random place and suddenly you found a fast way to skip to the spelling errors. You learned something about the jump list, now it is easy to navigate through your files in time. You learned something about marks, now you can simply switch between parts of your code even cross files. You learn something about text-objects, suddenly it is easy to edit and replace text. You find macros, now you can automate boring tasks. You discover visual mode and how to run some command based on your selection, now you can sort your import lines alphabetically. You learn about ctags and completion, now you can use tag completion. 

And then you have the endless plugins, which you can write yourself if you want,  like the surround plugin, which adds some motions surround text-objects. I made a small postgres plugin, which runs sql snippets against postgres and can use the internal help commando of psql for documentation purposes or can show you the definition of the table.
 
In the beginning it is hard, but you get better and better and it is getting more fun everyday. It makes even boring repeating tasks fun.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 16:56

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 17:40

9/11/14/88/420/666

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 17:42

>>93
The number of the Devil.

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 18:19

>le sage pedophile

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 18:44

                                              '
>thinking sage is for pedophiles
>implying i will bump his shitty thread
>mfw

get a load of this guy

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 19:22

notepad++

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 19:28

UGANDA! UGANDA!

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 19:29

dubs

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-11 19:30

dubs twice in a row!

Name: Anonymous 2013-09-12 10:47

>>99-100
fuck you twice in a row!

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