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Legality of software development

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-12 12:53

So I am a college student, and at my job I made a php website that would be beneficial to where I work. Recently, they have asked me for it. The thing is, programming is definitely NOT part of my job description, and my friend suggested that I should not just give it to them, possibly sell it to them.
I'm not really up with the legality of all this, was wondering if anyone knew.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-12 13:08

If they're asking you to do something not in your job description, just demand a decent raise.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-12 13:53

>>1
Demand you get paid for your shitty, derivative, bad code and watch as you get fired and they take it anyway.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-12 14:49

if you did it in your spare time it obviously belongs to the government.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-12 16:28

>>1
Negotiate amicably.
If you made the website during their time with their resources then its theirs.  If you used your own resources and time, and theres nothing in your contract stating you have to give them the source(IE NDA or information only availiable to employees) then be nice. 

Dont say PAY THE FUCK UP OR ILL SUE.  Remember that they would actually be your customers.  Oh, and make sure you talk to someone who cant actually sign off a payment or you are wasting your time. 

Oh and get ready to prove your softwares worth.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-12 17:10

Sounds to me like OP doesn't have the cohones to stand up for his rights. Milk them for every dime, OP.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-12 17:10

>>5
/s/cant/can

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-12 22:12

>>6 cohones
Lulz.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-12 22:54

>>1
PHP?? HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-12 23:00

>>6
"cojones", fucker

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-12 23:54

>>1
If the company can show that you did it during company time, or on company property, hand it over -- it's theirs.

If they can show that you did it on your own, but used proprietary information, it's almost definitely theirs.

Talk to your boss, be reasonable. If it was done on your own time with your own resources and no additional knowledge of the subject, you should be good.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-13 4:53

>>1
What they've said.

Either way, you could turn this into a good opportunity to expand your horizons at work and get a better pay.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-13 7:28

So I am a college student, and [b]at my job[b] I made a php website that would be beneficial to where I work.

It's theirs.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-13 7:29

>>13
BBCODE FAIL

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-13 7:53

It's theirs, hand it over. You should not attempt to fuck them over it, instead, show open and let them know you'd be whilling to expand your position and pay to web development.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-13 7:59

>>15
Is english your mother language?

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-13 8:28

>>16
No, your mother.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-13 17:56

>>5

Oh and get ready to prove your softwares worth.

This is bullshit. Decisions to buy software are made by managers. Just make sure you have a sales pitch and a Powerpoint presentation and you're set.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-14 4:08

>>18
Decisions to buy software are made by managers. Just make sure you have a sales pitch and a Powerpoint presentation and you're set.
Truth. Also, add lots of buzzwords and acronyms, and be sure to mention low TCO.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-14 4:28

I'm sorry but you must learn the ways of business. If not for the business manager guiding the business to get things done, nobody would be able to get paid as nobody would pay for nothing.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-14 5:38

If not for the business manager guiding the business to get things done
Hahaha what? If it weren't for the business manager fucking with others who are the people who get things done, projects would last half as much, fail half as often, be half as ENTERPRISE, and twice as profitable.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-14 20:31

>>21
Ok, so lets get to work without business managers. Oh wait, how are we to budget the resources we need to get the work done? How are we to know when to get something out there asap instead of refactoring code to perfection? Programmers without a deadline WILL refactor code to perfection. Even programmers with a deadline often take far too long to code their solutions. Of course, with everything in life, there are arseholes that don't know the right way to manage aspects of their life - and this includes both managers and programmers.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-14 21:47

>>22
Open Source programs runs along just fine without business managers, and what have they produced? Oh I don't know, a Operating System, browsers, various toolkits, drivers, office packages etc etc etc

>Programmers without a deadline WILL refactor code to perfection.
HAHAHA

They just leeches off humanity, like the old stone-age shamans, who are not productive but fed at the expense of the tribe because of their self-convinced "importance". This includes: lawyers, accountants, managers, directors, shareholders etc etc etc

You must be fairly ENTERPRISE.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-15 5:05

Oh wait, how are we to budget the resources we need to get the work done?
Choose an engineer randomly every three months to take care of the shit work. He'll be able to learn the proper theory on how to do it, and do it properly, analitically and systematically. Then he says "let's get to work faggots", and join them into real development.

How are we to know when to get something out there asap instead of refactoring code to perfection?
If the customer says "I want it NOW" or we run out of money to pay salaries he gets it now, though imperfect. Else we work on it until it's good enough.

Programmers without a deadline WILL refactor code to perfection.
Not necessarily, but they'll generally get the job done sufficiently well in one way or another, and that's why they'll produce quality software, and that's why mature open source products such as operating system kernels or filesystems are superior to mature commercial products. They're concerned over the quality, not "OMG LOWER TCO EARLY ROI I READ ON A MAGAZINE U HAVE TO DO AJAX". Quality turns to profits in the long run, but managers are incapable of thinking more than 5 minutes in advance. Companies who have realized this, such as Google for the most part, produce high quality software and are ridiculously successful and profitable.

Even programmers with a deadline often take far too long to code their solutions.
Programmers don't "code their solutions"; they write and design programs. Quit the business talk, this is about real work getting done.

Of course, with everything in life, there are arseholes that don't know the right way to manage aspects of their life
Truth; problem is, in the case of managers, the ratio is about 99% worthless buzzword-mongering assholes who couldn't tell a computer from a douche bag, and pretend to direct the people who know.

>>23
They just leeches off humanity, like the old stone-age shamans, who are not productive but fed at the expense of the tribe because of their self-convinced "importance". This includes: lawyers, accountants, managers, directors, shareholders etc etc etc
Fucking truth.

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