php frameworks

what do you guys think about php frameworks?  is the mvc architecture a lost cause for this language?

i'm not impressed with cakephp and symfony, but code igniter looks like something i can actually use. 

PHP frameworks are like dressing a rotten corpse in hip clothes and trying to make it dance.

WHY THE HOLY FUCK ARE YOU USING PHP?

I never really understood the idea behind web application frameworks. As I see it, they just restrain me.

I usually just write few lines that glue objects to URLs, drop in a simple template engine and be done with it. Later I can add whatever I need, be it catching or asynchronous ECMAScripts..

So, what can a framework do for me? Anyone care to enlighten?

>>4
Watch a five minute pod-screencast of some hip vlogger slapping up a shitty CRUD web sight with Ruby on Fails and you'll see.

>>5
That sentence made me wince

Some frameworks are total fail (Zope3). Some are quite handy (Ruby on Fails).

Why a framework? It's a one-stop solution, I suppose. You know all the pieces are going to interoperate. There's a real problem if one of those pieces is substandard though.

>>3
isn't 4chan written in php?

>>5
Yes, I think that's what it all is about - mental masturbation.

Only useful frameworks are ones like web.py or Camping, basically they just tell you "code goes here", "map urls here" and that's it, everything works. No fucking around...

God, I regularly have nightmares about ASP.NET, that shit is sick, they put you in a tiny, tiny, little box and drop kick every time you as little as glance the wrong way.

>>8
And your point is..?

cake and symfony are a bit more difficult to use and have some neat features.. but i use code igniter. i wouldn't dress up my rotten corpse with any other clothes ATM.

>>10
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