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php frameworks

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-09 12:45 ID:VYhCiAc/

what do you guys think about php frameworks?  is the mvc architecture a lost cause for this language?

i'm not impressed with cakephp and symfony, but code igniter looks like something i can actually use. 

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-09 13:16 ID:Heaven

I never really understood the idea behind web application frameworks. As I see it, they just restrain me.

I usually just write few lines that glue objects to URLs, drop in a simple template engine and be done with it. Later I can add whatever I need, be it catching or asynchronous ECMAScripts..

So, what can a framework do for me? Anyone care to enlighten?

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