Please just take a class. Check if it is offered at your school and if not, take it at a community college or something. A class will at least offer you some sort of structure and incentive to keep learning it, and you will have people willing to answer your questions because they are paid to. We aren't getting shit, so if you ask a question here, we'll probably just make fun of you.
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Anonymous2006-09-04 4:22
>>6
Well, got a pretty prompt reply on the sin() and cos() things. But yeah, I agree, without structure, it's hard to learn something like programming.
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Anonymous2006-09-04 4:44
>>1
That's like saying, hello, I want to learn quantum physics. I know almost nothing about uniform movement physics.
Don't learn C++. It's an ugly headache of a language. Be a man, learn the real thing - C, then learn C++-- which is what most people use. After C, also consider modern, high-level, dynamic languages such as Python or Ruby.
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Anonymous2006-09-04 14:23
Hello, I would like to compete in the olympics. I know almost nothing of physical activity because I am a lazy piece of shit.
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Anonymous2006-09-04 17:03
Jesus christ why is everybody on this board a complete asshole.
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Anonymous2006-09-04 17:33
>>7
I'm >>6, and I'm also the one that answered your sin() and cos() question. Seriously, PLEASE JUST TAKE A CLASS.
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Anonymous2006-09-04 17:46
PROTIP: Writing the 'Hello world' program does not count for shit.
PROTIP: You will never write anything resembling a computer game learning on your own. Get over it.
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Anonymous2006-09-04 18:18
>>8 then learn C++-- which is what most people use
What world do you live in?
Ok, since you caught me in a nice day: Hey man, sorry if I was too rough. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings; I took it that you were up to it because you post at 4chan, and only assholes like myself are regulars here. Now please consider what we said; even though we did in an asshole way, most of us gave good advice.
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EleoChan!EhVtXXdTd62006-09-04 22:38
Just download some books. You can probably find a pack of programming books on any public bittorrent tracker. I can't recommend any, because people have different ways of learning stuff.
I wouldn't suggest you take a class unless you have 0 experience with programming.
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Anonymous2006-09-05 1:10
>>15 I wouldn't suggest you take a class unless you have 0 experience with programming.
Your logic is retarded. Educated professionals are better.
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EleoChan!EhVtXXdTd62006-09-05 4:12
The only thing a teacher is really good for is answering specific questions that a book either doesn't cover or doesn't explain well.
But there's a whole internet for asking programming questions and lots of people willing to help (unlike this rectum of a BBS). Often times I learn loads of stuff from experienced programmers on IRC just by asking chains of questions for sometimes hours at a time. I could never imagine asking or having answered that many questions in a classroom setting; the teacher would never devote that much time during class for as many questions as I ask.
If the OP is a newb he should start with a book. If he find a book inadequate he can always take a class.
But a pirated ebook is free. A college course is not. So why would you suggest he automatically drop money for something he might not even need to drop money on?
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Anonymous2006-09-05 17:16
The C++ Programming Language, by Bjarne Stroustrup. All you need to learn C++.
Reading The C Programming Language might be a good idea first if you're not very experienced with languages.
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Anonymous2006-09-06 2:43
First learn C, then C++. If you're smart, use K&R's book. If you aren't, use some light, feelgood, let's hello world C book, then move on to K&R. After knowing C inside out, you may consider C++, but you'll discover you don't want it.
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Anonymous2006-09-06 18:14
I don't use books or anything to learn a language. I just look over a tutorial first, then use the library references for a random program I feel like writing. I don't see why someone would need a whole book to learn a language -- are there like syntax idioms or something on the book? I've never seen a language book that just showed how the language works, only ones where they taught programming with the language being secondary.
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Anonymous2006-09-06 19:55
>>20
that's a good one! you're not serious, are you?
Will you please stop recommending these piece of shit toys already?
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Anonymous2006-09-15 18:06
Fucking start with VB, seriously why not. Otherwise you are going to get really bored really quickly with C++ when you find it annoying as shit to do anything. You will get to C++ eventually when you are actually ready for it.
Neophytes need constant feedback and a low threshold. C++ ain't it.
Not that VB is ideal either.
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Anonymous2006-09-16 3:08
I her delphi was good too
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Anonymous2006-09-16 19:34
Delphi or even Pascal are good to learn because they are simple enough, anal enough, yet orthodox and polite enough, and they are smaller. You don't want to start with a HUGE language and have to bother with buffered readers, class objects, pure functions, or whatever shit, all you need is a tool to help you get the way of programming into your head, then you can move on to do something useful.
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Anonymous2006-09-16 20:01
>>39
You can believe it as hard as you can, Pascal is still the shittiest language on this planet.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but regardless of how shitty a language is, how to program is what you need to learn mostly, not the language so much?
I'm in the process of learning how to make Ruby my bitch. It's as easy as fuck, but everything I can do here has an equivilent in C and C++, they're just a fuckload more complicated to do it in. An easier gradient, so to speak.
I'll get to the bad boys eventually, but I'm not going to climb everest before I climb the hill in my backyard.
Java produces shit programmers. Now if you'd said Perl...
fixed.
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Anonymous2006-09-17 10:58
>>47
>I think automating mundane tasks in Linux is great programming
fixed
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Anonymous2006-09-17 12:15
>>44
That is true, a good programmer should be able to pick up a new language in a matter of days. However this is /prog/, so everyone is a fanboy of the first and only language they learned.
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Anonymous2006-09-17 14:59
C++ was my first language, even before English.
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Anonymous2006-09-17 21:45
>>47
I'm angry and unemployed beacuse my so called 'programming' skills I learned myself aren't good enough to be considered for any real work.
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Anonymous2006-09-17 22:38
>>50
Oh yeah? Well... welll... I'LL TEACH MY BABY ASSEMBLY AS HIS FIRST LANGUAGE.
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Anonymous2006-09-18 0:11
>>51
employers want either certificates and/or portfolios of work that you've done. for software development, you better have an impressive porfolio
sir, I have a feeling that you are indeed wealthy and sucessful.
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Anonymous2006-09-18 4:49
>>54
indeed I am, unlike your fat american lazy ass lol!!!
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Anonymous2006-09-18 4:59
>>46
More like Java produces masochist programmers and enterprise solution dumbasses.
>>53
True. And when they hire people for a good portfolio, they get good rpgorammers. When they hire people for certifications, they get Java professional enterprise scalable solution consultants which fuck projects up. You just ask your boss "why did you hire Bob?" and you know if the answer starts with "well, he has a", then he's usually going to be a failure.
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Anonymous2006-09-18 7:24
Bad management pick Java. Remember this when a large project's failure is attributed to "bad management".
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Anonymous2006-09-18 7:31
I'm angry and unemployed beacuse my so called 'programming' skills I learned myself aren't good enough to be considered for any real work.
Yup, that's what happens when you pick Java, the joke's on you.
How come there are so many fags who can only use some crappy script language and try to piss on everybody who can actually program?
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Anonymous2006-09-18 17:00
>>60
People who use the term 'scripting language' as a derogatory only expose their own incompetence.
The power of a language depends on how well it lets the program describe the solution to his problem without having to waste time with things not directly related to his problem, not whether or not it's compiled.
>>60 is still unemployed so he hasn't learnt the price of time. He'd rather waste all the evening implementing some kind of list structure (for the n-th time in humanity's History) than get things done.
>>63
So, have you solved finished your simple linked list yet?
P.S.: I doubt you'll ever come up with dictionary implementations as good and efficient as Perl's or Python's, let alone have the syntax to do dictionary[key] or (key in dictionary).
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Anonymous2006-09-19 6:43
>>64
>P.S.: I doubt you'll ever come up with dictionary implementations as good and efficient as Perl's or Python's
Never mind there are already decent implementations. Shows what you know about real programming languages, script fag.
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Anonymous2006-09-19 6:59
>>65
Which you never use because you love writing everything by yourself. Plus, like I said, I don't really like DictGetKey(Hash(&key)) .