Jews Everywhere

Ask an IRL former IDF infantryman anything.
Served under Central Command.

Will respond to serious questions regarding what I saw of the situation on ground, in the astronomically small chance they actually come.

Oh gee, I wonder how this thread is going to turn out.

How do you treat muslim Israeli citizens?
How easy is it for a Palestinian to become an Israeli citizen?
How do you treat Palestinians?
There is much evidence proving many Palestinians were forcibly removed from their land, if not within living memory it has impacted the fortunes of the immediate families of those who were forcibly removed. How should this be rectified?

OP here

>>3
1: Treating Muslim Israeli citizens?  As in, Arab Israelis?
Well, they are treated as citizens of the state... I don't really understand the question.  Are you asking about me, personally?  I treat them like people.

2: This question is somewhat outside of my knowledge such as it is, and I don't feel comfortable answering it.  I was not involved in legal administration and am not entirely familiar with the legal processes regarding citizenship.
It is quite possible however.  (Israel offered citizenship to Arabs in the West Bank in 1967 after taking it from Jordan.  Most refused.)  It includes an oath of allegiance to the state, which many Palestinians don't wish to swear.

3: Palestinians are treated... well, who are you referring to?  There are many Arab Israelis who identify themselves as Palestinians.  I'm guessing you mean those who live without citizenship, though.  Since I won't talk about their exact civil status (Oslo made things more complicated), I'll say that I treat them like people, personally.

4: Look, I'll answer the question (as I see it), but that isn't really what I wanted to talk about.  I figured you guys would ask me about how soldiers generally feel about Palestinians, or what happens at checkpoints, or midnight raids, or that sort of thing.
SIGH, so let's look at this. 

Some of the Palestinians living in homes prior to 1948 were unlawfully taken from their homes by Israel.  There is minimal dissent on this point from virtually any party.

I don't know about Palestinians forcibly removed from "their" land.  Land ownership is a complex question which refers to land titles and deeds existing in 1948 and back.  Relevant are things such as types of land ownership under the Ottomans.  The evidence which you claim exists in reference to Palestinian "land" is fragmentary and unclear, and is to be understood in a case-by-case basis.  Start your search engine.  If the website which you read to educate yourself on the subject of Palestinian land ownership does not begin dispassionately and without agenda about tithes and taxes in the 1800s and how this translated under various rules, you are doing it wrong.  Welcome to scholarship.

Okay.  Many Arabs, at the very least, lost much property.  This is a wrong that needs righting.  The most obvious and simple option would be to allow them to return to their homes, granting them citizenship, etc.  If that is done, however, it would clearly jeopardize the Jewish character of the state, and possibly jeopardize much, much more (if you can't use your imagination to figure it out, start watching Arab and Palestinian media on the subject of Israel.  Not the translated stuff).

The next best option, as I see it, would be monetary reparations.  This would be okay, but this offer has been rejected by Palestinian leaders multiple times (most recently with Olmert, if I'm not mistaken).

Beyond that, I really don't know.  I suppose it will eventually end with a monetary settlement, but I'm not a fortune-teller.

>>4
You did say ask anything but clearly you didn't mean that and want to tell your story.

So go on:

1. How soldiers generally feel about Palestinians?
2. What happens at checkpoints?
3. What happens at midnight raids?
4. What do people think about ultra-Orthodox Jews losing conscription exemptions?

>>5

Anyone can express a political opinion, or what have you.  If I came here to do that, I would be wasting my time by comparison.  It would also increase the chance of the thread degenerating, what with everyone screaming their two cents.  I'm kind of surprised it hasn't actually.
But you can ask me whatever, I'll answer as best I can.

1.  Soldiers generally don't like Palestinians.  Not too surprising, since Palestinians generally don't like soldiers, and it spirals.  Racial overtones pervade much hate speech between the two groups of Israelis and Arabs.  Ethnocentrism is the order of the day for most of the region, and Israel is not really an exception, though Western influence helps it overcome the most debilitating aspects, and Israel remains significantly more tolerant of Arabs than any other country in the region remains of Jews (the best example of this would be Tel Aviv).  Officers have some idea of PR, thank god, and don't let it get too far out of hand.  But yeah, everyone hates everyone.

2. There are different sorts of checkpoints.  Some check pedestrians as well as vehicles, and others check only vehicles.  Some are set up temporarily and in random locations, either because of info that a weapons cache or the like is moving through, or just to keep would-be-terrorists on their toes.  Smaller checkpoints are usually closed at night, and the larger ones stay open.
Usually, those passing through are only questioned very briefly, like an ID check, or asking of the intended destination.  At the smaller checkpoints, bored soldiers will sometimes play games with those questioned, which serves to make passing through much more annoying.  Although I wouldn't expect too much more from 19 year olds forced to pull monotonous 16 hour shifts in desert heat for 3(+) years nonstop, the little injustices the Palestinians suffer at the checkpoints is understood to be a problem.  At the larger checkpoints, a Palestinian liaison and military police units are usually present, which has been found to dramatically cut down on such cases occurring.
Needless to say, the checkpoints do little to endear the Palestinians to the Israelis.  They constrict economic growth, as well as humiliating in some small way those passing through.  Feeling humiliated at checkpoints consistently ranks among the things which attracts Palestinian ire.  They are, however, excellent for catching terrorists, who attempt murders at civilian targets at least once a week.  In addition, they serve as a a deterrent for would-be-terrorists, as numerous attempts to murder civilians are called off halfway in fear of being caught in checkpoints.  Since publication of the info would jeopardize the work of the Intelligence sector, these go mostly unreported.

3. Raids happen when some branch of the security agencies in the civilian or military sectors determine that a person warrants arrest, whether it be for past crimes or for planning one.  Crimes might be gun or ammunition smuggling (especially for terrorist organizations), terrorist attacks, and things of that nature.  Some unit(s) will be chosen for the arrest, they get notification, and they spend days previous to the planned arrest practicing for it.  By the night of the arrest, every soldier will know the number of trees near the house, what he will be looking at when he arrives, etc.  Deaths on either side rarely occur, though sometimes those convicted will possess a pistol or AK and try to shoot it out.  The arrests take place at night to ensure surprise and minimize the chance of civilians getting involved, either intentionally (throwing rocks or molotov cocktails) or unintentionally (people don't stroll around at 2:00AM).  Upon arrest, the arrested will be transferred to Shabak (שב״כ), which I suppose is analogous to the FBI.
Raids are called (somewhat) less commonly these days, since the PA internal security apparatus has become more effective (and willing) to deal with terrorists.  However, the PA lacks both the manpower and funding to effectively police as the Israeli military.  In addition, the PA is riddled with corruption, and informers will often tip off intended target of what is being planned.  Due to this, the IDF continues to raid Palestinian towns on occasion.
Raids are very tense situations for soldiers, and can be scary for Palestinians.  Israel claims that it keeps terrorists from killing people, the PA claims it damages the integrity of their independence.

4.  Many people, both western and otherwise, fail to understand how fragmented Israeli society actually is.  I don't know what "people" think about anything, as there is The secular, The Ashkenazi, The Sepharadim, The Dati Leumi, The Haredim, The Masoratim, the russians... it never ends.  If you've ever seen The Life of Brian, it's a bit like that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE

Put simply, those who took advantage of the Tal Law are unhappy about it, and those who didn't take advantage of it are happy.  Kadima left Likud over it.  Everyone drawing the lines in the sand, and so forth.

who is the grand poobah of judaism?

Is turkey a real enemy? What do soldiers think about turkey? Yet another hostile Muslim state or good ally for military business and exercises?

>>8

Now, I'm no diplomat and I've become a little estranged from the situation.
That said, Turkey used to be one of Israel's closest allies in the region.  Joint military exercises and arm sales were done in the past.  (Some of their best tanks are Israeli-modified M60s.)  Most recently however, relations between the two have frayed.  There are a number of reasons for this.  The Wikipedia page is facile and doesn't go into analysis of why very much, but here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Turkey_relations

The average soldier is likely to view Turkey with skepticism and suspicion, especially of late.

>>9
Of late? Like supporting the colonialists and Zionists plans of pushing forward an invasion in Syria? Turkey is a slave of NATO. Nothing else.

>>10
Ignore the local Nazi troll. He thinks Jews control China but can't can't seem to get into real details about how that magically works. 

We call him, Lord Retard, Master of 3rd Rate Trolling.

>>11
Shalom!

>>11
He thinks Jews control China but can't can't seem to get into real details about how that magically works.
China imports resources from Russia -> Vladimir Putin has Jewish mother -> Halakha states that anyone with Jewish mother is a Jew -> a Jew controls China resources.

Chinese Ideology is Communism -> Communism was invented by Karl Marx (who is like a Moses for commies) -> Jews control Chinese ideology.

>>13
>China imports resources from Russia
France exports boats to Russia > France is full of French men > Citizens of France are French > FRANCE CONTROLS RUSSIA.

>>14

OP here.

A troll doesn't care about right or wrong.  A troll cares about attention.

You are feeding the troll.

>>14
A few boats are not that important. The oil, gas and metals on the other hand are vital.

>>16
And then again, both Sarkozy and Hollande are Jewish by Halakha, while Paris has the largest Jewish population in Europe.

>>15
Yeah, he's not a troll. Spend some time reading the threads here.

>>16
All of which could be bought elsewhere. My comment was designed to make you see the idiocy of your logic but once again you prove to immune to logic. And if we do indeed follow your logic we must conclude that China controls the entire globe as it has most of the rare metals which it exports to every other country in the world, making the whole world and everyone in it Jewish. Although don't tell anyone because it's a big secret! In b4 >18 Shalom!.

>Shalom!
I heard that is the word that Euro furries use instead of yiffing.

>>15
Actually, he's a Nazi that pretends to be Russian. He attacks 100% of the treads regardless if anyone posts or not. Then he bumps his shit for months. Most of the threads are his.


We are the trolls, not him. Also, he's upset we made fun of his family situation.

>>19
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shalom

OP here

>>18

Hmm... I don't frequent this place, it's true.  I'll take your word for it.

Then let's say, theoretically, he is a fool.  But even then, why bother arguing with a fool? 
If this person is in a state of mind to believe in what he says regarding worldwide conspiracies and so forth, do you really think you will convince him otherwise through your posts on 4chan?  Hope springs eternal, but do you believe you will get honesty and reason in place of ad hominem and bias (Shalom!)?

Nothing a True Believer loves more than people who stop by the soapbox to have it out.  It gives him a reason to scream even louder.
Troll or fool, it is a mistake to respond.

>>18
All of which could be bought elsewhere
Where? Point us at least one country, which doesnt depend on the Jews. And then why should they sell at the same price in absence of competitors?

if we do indeed follow your logic we must conclude that China controls the entire globe as it has most of the rare metals
Whatever China has, the Jews have enough alternatives to China, which is ought to play by Jewish rules. China just cant afford embargo, like the one Jews did to Iran.

>>22
Shalom!

So not to get derailed, my offer for answering questions still stands for those with, but I do implore you to skim those posts which contain less than topical information.

>do you really think you will convince him otherwise through your posts on 4chan?

Oh that little nugget. We've pointed that out a 1000 times. He uses copypasta insults. He not a bother at all. He's like a little gremlin that humps dogs and shits everywhere.

He spams the site regardless or not if we acknowledge him. He used to start arguments with himself. I suspect he's lonely and has a shitty personal life.

Honestly, he is a bit entertaining in that retarded way. He's masturbating to the fact we're even talking about him. Eventually, one of the mods will notice and this place will get wiped out.

>>22
>Then let's say, theoretically, he is a fool.  But even then, why bother arguing with a fool? 
Replying does no harm and has so far provided me with hours of entertainment and genuinely interesting material to think on. If you look at the thread list you'll notice that he's responsible for the last 200 or so threads, he isn't at all fed by my replies. His idiocy is self-perpetuating, he's quite happy to reply to himself all day so whether I reply or not doesn't have any impact in that regard.

Of course, there's the slim chance that if I stick to a consistently rational stand point that eventually it'll sink into his head. I don't expect it to immediately because it takes time for people to change long held views, they never go 'Oh, okay. I see how I'm wrong. I'll change.' They think about it in their own time for a long while and then eventually come a conclusion in the comfort of solitude.

But if he stays the way he is then, like I said, it's funny. His responses are ironically hilarious and it gives me insight into the mind of someone who strictly holds an irrational world view not based on reason or evidence. If he shows no sign of change over the next few years, assuming we both persist that long, I'd have to conclude that some people are simply hopeless. And that's quite an important conclusion, especially if you hold that no one is without hope, like I did. I think that anyone, given enough time and guidance can be taught reason and saved from a life chaotic, destructive irrationality.

So now you understand the value of replying to his utter fucking nonsense.

>>23
>Where? Point us at least one country, which doesnt depend on the Jews.
All of them, you silly baka.