Police

So what do you all think of the anti police riots in Britain?? Thoughts? Stupid or awesome?

Have the coppers cleared out of this thread yet?
This is why we can't have nice things: We don't ban coppers and cop lovers from the site.

POLICEMEN: Always nice and friendly, supposed to "serve and protect", and always portrayed as goodguy heroes in Hollywood.

PEOPLE: Invent phrases such as "Fuck Tha Police" and "All Cops Are Bastards (ACAB)".

QUESTION: How come? If cops are so friendly and lovely, how come everybody but faggots are upset with them for some reason? Shouldn't they LIKE having heroes that care for them?

COP PROPAGATION LOGIC: That's just because there aren't ENOUGH cops. If there was ENOUGH hero cops in every street corner, with ENOUGH funding, people probably wouldn't complain. All they want is MORE cops. That's why they hate us. Did you see anyone complain about the police utopia that the combine had going in Half-Life 2 before Gordon fucked things up? You didn't see anyone complain there.

IDIOTS: Hurr durr, cops are heroes. I've never seen the real world outside - just newscasts and movies.

>>76
I think that's just a twisted theory about good and evil where you start by accepting every thing evil and assume the least evil as good. I read your link even though it was quite long and even though the writter is right on many things, he's plain wrong on others. He's wrong because he uses a one way street logic, and he doesn't look at other options. For example, federalism was a main idea of the political system of native americans. Being an englishman that quite possibly at the time considered the natives as lesser humans and/or slaves, he couldn't see the option of small manageable communities under a common confederation. Anyway, the fact is that his writting at the time it was done is excelent and very progressive.

Weber's theory on the monopoly of violence doesn't clash with paine's 'common sense'. Weber's theory is an observation. Paine's writting was more propagandistic and of course non-scientific. Both display the necessity of power from different perspectives. I don't consider myself a fanatic and I'm not anyone's fan. I can read from marx to hittler and draw usefull conclusions all the way. Personaly I dissagree about the necessity of power and submission but I accept that any state is founded on these. That's why idealy I don't want states to exist. Still I'm realistic and I know well that unless the people are all concious about the way the system works and willing to change it, any abolition of the state would be a) against the interests of the public, b) totalitarian (since the new group to hold the monopoly on violence wouldn't even have basic laws to obey) and c) a very good reason for interational intervention and theft of public wealt (see lybia).

Therefore, recognising that the police (the state) holds the monopoly on violence is nothing but the first step. Abolishing it is a looooong way away and it involved informing the public and shaping conciences in a massive scale. Living in a corrupt, bankrupt country that is probably the largest buyer of teargas in the world shows me that this massive scale change of conciousness is not only doable but unavoidable under certain socioeconomic circumstances. Simply, there is a tipping point in every society. Once the majotiry of people realise that the system doesn't work, change is not an option - it's simply unavoidable. In the last year I've seen grannies throw rocks at the police, thousants of people of every age shouting @burn the parliament' and 'thieves thieves' and politicians (of every party)can no longer go out because as soon they are recognised they attacked by the public. Therefore, the reality I live in right now is very very different from what you guy see in your countries.

Fuck man, I was stopped a couple of months ago by a person on a wheelchair who was practically asking me to bomb the politician and calling everyone else who had legs chicken for not having done it yet. And I had to tell him that this is not the way things should be done. Right now there is a massive and very matture public 'debate' about what we need to do and I can see that nobody wants to go back to the system that brought us here. People are becoming very informed, my 84 year old godmother knows all about bilderberg meetings, the role of goldman sachs, economic hitmen etc.

I feel like i'm sitting on a massive bomb the will blow up the EU and the world economy :/


By the way, there is a community in andalucia, spain that has no police and no crime. It is called marinaleda ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marinaleda,_Spain )

>>81
We don't ban coppers and cop lovers from the site
I should think the thread would even more deplorable if you refused the existence of conversation involving more than one viewpoint.  tl;dr, nope, one is still here.  Any questions?

And I question the existence of police on 4chan as active members.  They've probably got us datamined for one reason or another, yeah, but users?

>>82
POLICEMEN: Always nice and friendly, supposed to "serve and protect", and always portrayed as goodguy heroes in Hollywood.
Until all of a sudden there is a policeman who is a villain.

COP PROPAGATION LOGIC: That's just because there aren't ENOUGH cops. If there was ENOUGH hero cops in every street corner, with ENOUGH funding, ...
Just a heads-up.  You're peddling to the passion-driven ignoramuses on your side of the argument, not your assumed opposition.  In other words, it's not a position of argument, it's one of disregard.

IDIOTS: ... I've never seen the real world outside - just newscasts and movies.
Or, you know, actually interacted with them.

>>84
I have seen this in forums before and in the case of a forum owner I know, the police investigator admitted he was 'fishing' info on his site himself (he told the owner the pseudonym he used).

Also it is official that the israeli army has internet taskforces. They were used during the 'freedom floatilla' incident when israeli commandos attacked a vessel that was carrying humanitarian aid and activists to gaza killing a number of them.

>>65
No, of course not!
>>66
That's true. Proper training is essential for a good police force. But I don't think cops are cops because they are evil. They probably take the job because they want to help out, and then later they may become wicked.
>>67
I am perfectly aware that the problem lies deep down. But if I were to take those directly into account here, it would make my posts unnecessarily long and complicated.
>>69
I certainly do not "blindly obey any and all authority". I will of course consider if the authority is trustworthy before I let them handcuff me. E.g. If some uniformed guy suddenly knocks on my door, I would probably fetch my shotgun instead of being robbed or killed or whatever by that guy – who probably was a criminal. If I know I haven't done anything wrong, that is.
>>70
Have you tried studying the opposing view? You don't get far if you only read the things you want to read. We have to see this problem from different perspectives. That is essential to really understand the underlying problem.
>>72
There are heaps of legitimate reasons to break the law. E.g. civil disobedience in a tyrannic regime. And I wouldn't let the communists seize power in a coup here either. I would fight them, like I would fight any who tries to undermine me.
>>76
All people have evil in them and all people are capable of doing evil. Any one of us could make a hydrogen bomb and blow up some important place.
The question is why would you do it. Most people don't really have a reason at all.
>>78
That depends on how you define anarchists.
>>80
You are describing a serious problem. That is many policemen let their personal feelings dominate their work. Such behaviour is highly unprofessional and should be punished.
>>81
That's rubbish, and you know it! Don't post rubbish.
>>82
Here in Norway, we have a saying: Tomme tønner romler mest. Loosely translated, it's something like: Empty barrels make the most noise. What that means is that someone who is upset about something, is likely to make more noise than those who aren't upset. That's why "people" make such phrases. The "people" are really only a handful compared to the rest.
>>85
OK, I have to admit I have never been in a big police drama. Have you?
Tho I have witnessed some pretty lame ass behaviour from both policemen AND suspects.

Why is this thread still here? It's clear the OP/whoever it is repeatedly hating on Police has some kind of irrational personal grudge against the police. Maybe he came across a bent cop once and decided that all cops are bent and abusive? Maybe a relative or friend was arrested by police, and he sided with his relative/friend even though they did the wrong thing and deserved to be arrested but he couldn't bring himself to realise this? Maybe he's just an anarchic troublemaker or unsub who's done time and thought that regardless he should be allowed to commit any acts, regardless of how morally wrong they and thinks the police are an obstacle in his way, and hence treats them with disdain and hostility when the subject is even mentioned?

Or maybe he's just an annoying troll who's trying to provoke us into some kind of reaction he can feed off? Either way, he's the kind of material the agents from "Criminal Minds" would love to psychoanalyse and see what makes him tick.

Guaranteed he'll reply to this with some kind of hostility and insults.

>>88
Actualy, 'he' will reply with a true story that anyone capable of using a translator can understand and double check. It is the story of the forum owner I mentioned earlier. (>>86)

This guy (he's 64yo now and his name is panagiotis bixos) is a musician and he was working in a hotel in a greek island. At some point he noticed that the hotel owner was involved in human trafficking and that the head of police of the island was part of the gang. Since he couldn't go to the local police station, he came to athens and sued the trafficking gang. What happened next is that the cop and the rest of the gang was found innocent after intimidating the witnesses.

Later on, the police raided the guy's appartment and charged him for child pornography. It was a badly rigged trial didn't pass through court so panagiotis was found innocent. The police tried to base all the accusations on policemen's testimonies that they saw 'proof' but even though even now, 12 years later they still have the hard drives, they haven't managed to provide the courts of any proof of child pornography. The prosecutor didn't accept the court testimony and somehow brought it back to court for a second and a third time. Greece was found guilty a couple of months ago for failing to provide him with a fair trial but panagiotis still has to go through courts every now and then, only to be found innocent. He is economicaly exhausted, he got cancer and heart disease from worrying too much and the only reason he's still with us is because of the support of hundreds of people that think this is proposterous and support him in every way they can (from legal support, to money to support the forum servers).

I tried to find news articles in english for his story but didn't find any. Still there are hundreds of articles in greek that you can translate on google.

Second true story: The struggle of the citizens of keratea. A place just outside athens where the government decided to build a dump. The government, clearly serving the interests of the rich against the poor are trying to built a kind of dump that will be illegal under EU regulations in 2 years time in land that still belongs to to private owners and hasn't yet bought. The government sent the contractor with his excavators followed by dozens of teams of riot police to protect the excavators from the rightful owners of the land. The people of the village have united in a common struggle to protect their place from the illegal activities of the government. They took the case to court and asked for protective measures which was granted. Still, the government didn't not pull the riot police away and the contractor did not remove his buldozers from the private land. Instead, the police broke the citizens' cars and gave them parking tickets even though they were parked legally. This was the reaction of the citizens of keratea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnV-Md8OchA

Oh, and I forgot to mention that the riot police beat up the citizens on the first day, inluding breaking the head of the mayor of keratea.

Anyway, you can look up the validity of all i'm saying by simply typing keratea or κερατεα on youtube. You'll find hundreds of hours or rioting between normal citizens and riot police. Footage that no news network will show.

PS. A pregnant lady dropped her child because the police charged into the village and shot teargas at her back yard. They were shooting teargas even at people looking at them from their balconies and they were shooting directly in order to hit innocent people with the tear gas projectiles. Also the secred police broke into citizens houses without warrants threatening them at gun point and beating them without arresting them in the end. Greeks are not mad. The police here IS VERY FUCKED UP!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QUiCmX0Q_c

>>88
Hi: not OP, but agree with a lot of this.
So: not troll. Sorry to burst your fascist bubble.

>>89
If what you're saying is true, I feel very sorry for you and the people of Greece. I urge you to stand up for you rights.
That kind of police faggotry should be taken to the Strasbourg court!

>>89
Yes well that shit happens. Doesn't mean ALL police are a bunch of oppressive losers who serve the rich's interests.

If all he can do is spurt that copypasta story each time, then he pretty falls into the points I made earlier about him just having a grudge against the police and throwing up that same excuse.

He's just a butthurt manchild with his own self-justified hate against law enforcement in general

>>93
Ten people in this thread hates cops. One or at most two loves them. May I suggest Minecraft or Gaia for you homos, where "I" won't bother you?

>>94
Ooooh, big words. You come across all scary and aggressive. I bet it makes you sound like a big man when you hurl such venomous abuse around.
Bone shaking stuff indead. Stay Classy.

>>94
I forgot how the cop hating gays love to spurt shit when they're confronted by logic or reason. More power to you I guess?

police is teh enemy of the ppl, we should give all power to the army like in egypt

>>97
And then what would happen? Gangs with the most guns taking control. By your logic they would end up being the police only worse.

Like I keep saying, most people don't have a problem with the police. Most don't do shit that gets them in jail. OP or whoever it is spreading hate obviously lives in a shitty part of the world and had a bad situation. He and the others on here spreading hate are the minority of people who have a problem with the police. Everyone else just gets on with their lives.

>>88
OP here.
I didn't post any responses after the first post i was just genuinely curious to hear a discussion on the topic of police

>>99
A master troll was here, you're saying?

>>92
I think he is going to. He's now being helped by an NGO called EPSE. They monitor if greece is obiding with the helsinki accords, so I'm guessing he's taking it there. I think the reason he hasn't gone so far is because his case needs to be considered finished by the greek courts before he can go to stratsburg. The greek courts are probably delaying on purpuse. Greece has already been found guilty for not providing him with a fair trial (a couple of moths ago) and he was compensated with something stupid like 5000 euros.

>>93
Nah, you just love men in uniform. That's all.

>>101
A couple of moths ago I was a caterpillar.

AHAAHAAAAHHAHAHAAAHAHAH! ..............................heeeeeee.

>>100
Indeed

They're a bunch of Jew-controlled nigger-lovers who turn a blind eye to real crime and arrest innocent people.

Not a crime when niggers attack whites, after all niggers are a protected race and of course, the white probably deserved it because he was a racist, mirite?

>>93
You are one dumb fuck.
I hope you get harassed by cops real soon so you'll see what it's like.

>>100
I wouldn't call you a master troll. You're just a psycho getting paid a cop salary from a nations tax dollars to propagate a police state on behalf of our despots. Your very existance is a trolling, and yet you fail so hard at it.

Give away your gun to the people, and let them show you what they REALLY think of "being protected" by you and your kind. You continuing to argue here instead just shows that you really don't believe in your own words.

Give away your gun.

>>107
The more you spurt that kind of shit, the more it just comes across you had a bad experience with cops and you've tarnished them with the same brush. Seriously, if you're that close minded I hope whatever bent cops you happened to run afowl of pay you another visit. Otherwise, stop associating everyone in a single profession with a few bad apples and give it a rest for 10 minutes. It's just getting tired.

Either that or you're the greatest troll ever.

even when i meet a friendly cop i still hate them. acab. all cops are is soldiers in a class warfare. feel free to think they're on your side. they're not. cops are here to enforce the laws of the ruling class.

of course i'm sure you'll say "hey we have a democracy so there's no ruling class here!!! everyone is equal!! coppers on our side! yay!", but that just shows how delusional you are. the government is not on the side of the people, the government is in it for themselves. the proof is everywhere.

this is also, i think, perhaps on of the biggest mistakes people make: they believe the politicians when they say that they want to make things better. they don't. they just want money and power and more of it. they are corrupt. don't envy them, don't try to be them, don't waste too much fucking time on them. get yourself away from them. all their shit is falling down, don't get caught in that vortex.

fuck fuck fuck tha po leeseTRIPS

>>108
No, I meant the OP.

>>110
"cops are here to enforce the laws of the ruling class."
So you're admitting you just hate cops because you're a poorfag who can't pay them off to do your dirty work.

I'm happy people like you are a rare, isolated case. Either that or you work in Zeus' store in Die Hard 3. The NWA must be very proud of of your "fuck the police" mentality, home boy.

Run along now. Havn't you got some cop killing to do?

Police forces are there to protect the lower and middle classes from criminals (higher classes could easily afford their own, private, security). They are the only thing standing between us and a pack of niggers who are just waiting to rape our white daughters and trample our white lawns.

>>114
That's the point. So you're not only anti-cop, but you're also a racist? Figures.

>>115
What, no. I'm a lower class socialist. It's mainly the criminals, anarchists, and football fans who are against cops.

>>116
which is what that guy (and allegidly 10 other people but probably him just spamming this thread) is I'm willing to bet. I even thought he was you because everyone's anon. But the way you went on about calling yourself "white" and talking about "white daughters" like it meant something more than it should which made think you are racist

>>117
I see, the pack of wild niggers trampling white lawns etc is just a silly world4ch meme.

>>118
That's fine then. No offence meant.

>>113 <-----Smear campainer